After wash Discharge pics.....?

[dirkdiggler]

Everyone always posts pics straight off press, lets see some with 2 or 3 washes if anyone has some.  That's the real test.  I know we lose at least 1 to 2 shades after washing, how about the rest of you?  This could be interesting to see who really has it dialed in.  Educational to say the least.

[ScreenPrinter123]

AND NOTE WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE DOUBLE OR SINGLE STROKING!!!!! NO CHEATING BY BEING SILENT ON THAT!!! :-)

[dirkdiggler]

yes, and add anything else necessary.

[brandon]

Not at home or work right now but I will mention this - the average American does not follow instructions for anything let alone washing their clothes. You really think a dude or most women for that matter take a concert shirt and wash it in cold water and hang dry it? Or use low heat on tumble? That black concert shirt after two or three of those incorrect washings isn't the same black it used to be hahaha. But I have discharge shirts from years ago that the print is just as vibrant as what is left of the shirt color itself. Is everyone expecting for the ink itself to hold up to years of washings? The image will be there with color yet not as vibrant. But the no hand is what it is all about in my opinion and most clients as well.

[ScreenPrinter123]

Brandon, did you speak with that customer I sent your way?  She was looking for 16 shirts with a 28"  tall simulated discharge process print on both sides of a red 100% polyester sport tek.  I told her you were the guy to talk to and you'd be happy to accommodate ;-).

[Screened Gear]

Brandon, did you speak with that customer I sent your way?  She was looking for 16 shirts with a 28"  tall simulated discharge process print on both sides of a red 100% polyester sport tek.  I told her you were the guy to talk to and you'd be happy to accommodate ;-).

That's funny

[brandon]

Funny, funny! Haha. So not trying to be "that guy" but I guess I just don't understand what is being looked for. There shouldn't be any massive drop off in vibrancy in the ink after a wash or two. After a year or two it is going to happen with horrible washing techniques. Take two black shirts from a run and wash one with hot water and full blown dryer two or three times and use the other to compare the actual shirt. It will not be as black or all of my washing machines have been cursed

[dirkdiggler]

no doubt customer care plays a major role.  I know I personally take discharged shirts home and perform my own wash tests and I am happy with the results, but I always lose at least one shade.  I think its the norm, just am curious of anyone elses results.

[Doug S]

In our case the black shirts with white discharge looks great after washing several times but the red shirts "that's a whole different ball game".

[Rob Coleman]

Just as a side note --- understand that the water base will discharge prior to being fully cured - that is evacuating all the water.  This evacuation is needed to fully cross link the binders and ensure full wash fastness.

There is a reason that AIR FLOW and TIME is critical to this process.  Take a look below -- a while back I Googled the following products to look at recommendations for curing their discharge.  They are all pretty consistent.  Sorry for the funky formatting!


   Temperature   Time in minutes
CCI (ideal)   340-350   2-3
CCI   320   1.5
Magna AB-AW Discharge   330   3
Magna ULF Discharge   330-340   3
Rutland WB-99 Discharge   320   1.5
Sericol Texcharge   320-360   2-3
Matsui Discharge   320   1.5
Matsui Discharge   300-320   2.5-3
Wilflex Oasis Discharge   350   2.5

[ebscreen]

I've got discharge shirts that still look awesome two years later. Beats the snot out of plastisol
for washability/longevity. I've found that saturation is going to play the largest part in washability.
Think about it, %100 saturation means no shirt color left to show through ever.

[tonypep]

When executed correctly using quality products you should not have washfastness issues. If not printing on fine gauge cotton fibrilation can occur with high mesh sim process DC prints.

[dirkdiggler]

I don't its color loss as much as its fibrillation, we are happy with our results, just not sure about the norm.  Thought I would bring up this topic to see what everyone else says.  Still no pics...?  Thanks for that info Rob, you know I got the equipment and time right, you have watched me do it.

[ebscreen]

I will do my best to try and remember to take a pic. Subject shirts are at my house and have been washed weekly for two years.

[Rob Coleman]

I don't its color loss as much as its fibrillation, we are happy with our results, just not sure about the norm.  Thought I would bring up this topic to see what everyone else says.  Still no pics...?  Thanks for that info Rob, you know I got the equipment and time right, you have watched me do it.

Yes sir you betcha!  You might be right about the fibrillation.  Take a look through a loupe and see if there are fibers showing?