Premix waterbase black

[tonypep]

Since we have a homogenizer we have the ability to make our own for less than $5 per gallon

[mimosatexas]

I haven't been too happy with the matsui black.  Do they have multiple blacks? I know you aren't supposed to trap waterbased, but if there is any blur at all between the black and another color it grays really bad.  Even speedball black performs better in that regard...

[brandon]

I haven't been too happy with the matsui black.  Do they have multiple blacks? I know you aren't supposed to trap waterbased, but if there is any blur at all between the black and another color it grays really bad.  Even speedball black performs better in that regard...

The only Matsui black I would recommend is their Jet Black. Black as night on the cloudless tundra of Siberia. With a price to match. Buy directly from them. But I don't use their product anymore so not to sure what their distro situation would be. But it is a great product and I assume they still make it. Used to buy it in 5 gallons if memory serves me correctly

[mimosatexas]

I'll ask my local supplier (he stocks matsui).  I don't think I have Jet Black currently, but I am honestly at a point where I don't care how much something costs if it just works.  I've gotten to the point of being fed up saving nickles and dimes to produce subpar product or spend extra time tweaking crap with every job to get the desired result.  I'll give every product a shot and do sufficient testing, but if it doesn't perform, it gets replaced.  I just don't have the time...

[brandon]

I understand. Then give the Jet Black a shot. If that is your WB Ink of choice I would only use Jet Black from them. Nothing else.

[mimosatexas]

We use the matsui discharge, but I keep hearing about how great CCI is and some of the premixed sericol's and I will likely be buying those for testing soon.  I love the idea of premixed discharge as mixing every time is a pain in the ass.  I actually have 6 standard colors that I mix gallons of already and just pour down, activate, and hit with a little water when I use them.  The main issue I have with the matsui is how mixing to a pantone can be perfect for some colors and completely off, like multiple shades, for others.  There are some weird issues with the pigment separating and changing colors over time as well.