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Re: Anyone else have this problem?
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2013, 12:13:13 PM »
Our Diamondback has it too.

Good news is that 95% of our prints are all done in 1 pass 1 revolution.  3-4% that are revolved are usually just the same screen hit 2x, then the last 1-2% the squeegee will be going down on the shirt for one or two screens but doesn't tend to mark the shirt.  One key with not marking the shirt is higher tension screens.  Makes it so the shirt ends up getting less of the pressure. 


And I don't change pressure in unused heads to 0 because then the flood choppers go insane.  Definitely don't leave squeegees in screens not being used for the job though.

It was a corner cut to drive cost down 1-2k tops that's just shouldn't have been cut, not worth the misprints / shoot outs / extra tape / slow downs.


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Re: Anyone else have this problem?
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2013, 12:34:57 PM »
that's odd, our flood chopper is not affected at all by the pressure regulator only the squeegee, maybe as they developed the DB, some changes were made. It was actually Rich here in person who told me, at least for ours, unused heads, turn off the pressure to the squeegee, also set the squeegee chopper to max depth and just control it with the air pressure, we have had it like that for the past 5 years since he came and instructed us, it was alot easier to control instead of batteling depth vs pressure ect. Our's also only has 3 feet at the base, some people have 4 feet, so I think there has definately been a slow evolution of the machine since it was released. I don't mean to sound like I'm knocking the DB in past posts, because with entry level pricing comes entry level features and function, when we got into ours, it was to get the squeegee out of my hand and the DB has taken us way past that. Now that I know a ton more about autos, I know the features I want in the next machine, but I would still recommend the DB to people looking for a rock solid machine that can make your shop a ton of money. Our DB, married up with Tri Lock and the I-Image CTS, we can set up flawless 8 color spot, or sim process jobs and be in production under an hours time easy. If we are starting off with clean un-inked squeegees and floods, more around the 30 min time, screens loaded, locked in, squeegees/floods, dump the ink, and go right into test print mode. I can only imagine how much faster on other models, but honestly, nobody is running around their press like you see in some videos, that's dangerous and not realistic. The DB, with 2 people can easily produce, at it's max image size, with proper seps, and ink viscosities, single strokes, within the 30-40 dozen an hour range, which is a very respectable speed to run "quality" jobs. If you are stuck way lower than that in your output with  DB, no problem, just over time perfect your seps, and fine tune your mesh counts, you can find that the machine will easily produce serious money for you, and the dam thing will run all day and night issue free, I know ours does. We go back and forth about it, but honestly, since it's paid for, when we are ready, we will keep it because we know it's capabilities and ease of training to run it, and just add another machine with larger capacity, "when the time is right". If you are double stroking, you should look into your mesh counts, consider going with retention-able frames, and modify ink viscosities, it's rare that you should ever need to double stroke if you are dialed in right, if you do have to, make sure you keep your table in the up position, it will add alot of speed keeping the table up for multi strokes, just watch your flood depth, incase your pallets are creeping up into the screen ect. All in all, the DB was and still is the hottest selling entry level press because you can pull off a ton of production with it and grow your shop into a higher end model.
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Re: Anyone else have this problem?
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2013, 03:56:54 PM »
just ran a job today on my DB 54 dozen hr. full size back.
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Re: Anyone else have this problem?
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2013, 02:10:27 AM »
just ran a job today on my DB 54 dozen hr. full size back.

what year / how?

perhaps our index air line should be opened up to speed up the index? Liked I said we get 52-53dz/hr dry cycling

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Re: Anyone else have this problem?
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2013, 11:05:45 AM »
I'm going to ask a crazy question here, but has any one actually but a real time clock on this 54 doz per hour etc.  I know for one the dryer has to be able to out put at a higher rate than the press can print which then you can fly, but back to what I was asking.  I did this on our press cuz I know our press tells me how many I should be able to print in such and such time...it was close, and I think that's all it's meant to be is close.

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Re: Anyone else have this problem?
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2013, 11:22:19 AM »
D, we did 52 dz an hour with our DB, left chest, 6 color print, ran it for an hour exactly, then my wife said, dude, you are going to wreck your back slow it down, now, if the design permits, 40 dz is the pace we try to average, but most bigger designs, say 15x 17 or so run around 30 dz, " actual counted output". The m&r counter is very accurate, I can say that for sure. Not sure about everyone else here, but we are not in a race , we want quality, if the output slows down a tad to keep a critical eye out, then so be it. Especially loading straight, anyone trying to run long runs, 16" wide pallets and loading 2xl, 3xl, and 4 xl shirts, which we do alot of, will for sure have some crooked or miss aligned prints, quality, quality, quality. 30 dz per hour is still a respectable pace in my book, for 1 machine, 1 operator, put 2 people in the mix and you can pace with 40 easy and still hold a high standard. I think any way, but who the heck am I right, lol  :o
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Re: Anyone else have this problem?
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2013, 12:33:13 PM »
Screen, I think that's the main problem the machine can go and go and go, but we can't  at least I know I can't, I can only hang for so long before I have to take a break, and then my dryer really slows me down also...by the way I hate printing tents too 4x  5x  6x it's like tossing a blanket over the press LOL

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Re: Anyone else have this problem?
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2013, 12:53:09 PM »
Our press doesn't have production numbers but I watch how many indexes goes by in a minute then figure it out in my head. 
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Re: Anyone else have this problem?
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2013, 01:26:13 PM »
Screen, I think that's the main problem the machine can go and go and go, but we can't  at least I know I can't, I can only hang for so long before I have to take a break, and then my dryer really slows me down also...by the way I hate printing tents too 4x  5x  6x it's like tossing a blanket over the press LOL

Darryl

Tents!! That's awesome!!! My wife yells for me to come over and print them when she gets to them, hates it. I try to have 18" wide pallets on when I know there will be alot of them, but even with those, they slow ya down.
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