Author Topic: metamerism makes you pick different colors?  (Read 2537 times)

Offline Dottonedan

  • Administrator
  • Ludicrous Speed Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5907
  • Email me at art@designsbydottone.com
metamerism makes you pick different colors?
« on: July 09, 2012, 05:08:59 PM »

Discharge on colored garments amkes people want to pick a lighter color due to the slight dulling effect. What about the surrounding area/ Do any of you ever make adjustments to color choices because of the garment color?  take a look at an orange ink on a Kiwi garment. Does it visually become more of a shade of brown when on Kiwi?


Do any of you who mix inks and choose the ink colors per screen ever choose a lighter color or a color that will compensate for visual color shifts due to large areas of a surrounding color, similar to metamerism?  This metamerism is caused by a color read under various light sources.  Here, with screen printing, the surrounding color can shift the appearance of an ink color on a specific garment color.



http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metamerism_(color)


Here is another good read on it. http://photoshopnews.com/2005/04/20/metamerism-–-friend-or-foe/
Artist & high end separator, Owner of The Vinyl Hub, Owner of Dot-Tone-Designs, Past M&R Digital tech installer for I-Image machines. Over 35 yrs in the apparel industry. e-mail art@designsbydottone.com


Offline Dottonedan

  • Administrator
  • Ludicrous Speed Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5907
  • Email me at art@designsbydottone.com
Re: metamerism makes you pick different colors?
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2012, 11:38:07 AM »
Well Dan,  That is interesting. Interesting to you but apparently only you.  LOL.   Wha?  You talking to me?  Must be, I don't see anyone else here for you to be talking to.    Ok. Back to work.  Note to self. Bring up more interesting topics.  LOL.
Artist & high end separator, Owner of The Vinyl Hub, Owner of Dot-Tone-Designs, Past M&R Digital tech installer for I-Image machines. Over 35 yrs in the apparel industry. e-mail art@designsbydottone.com

Offline Frog

  • Administrator
  • Ludicrous Speed Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13980
  • Docendo discimus
Re: metamerism makes you pick different colors?
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2012, 11:43:44 AM »
Dan, apparently your attempt to illuminate the masses on this segment of colorimetry could be described as" illuminant metameric failure"
That rug really tied the room together, did it not?

Offline Dottonedan

  • Administrator
  • Ludicrous Speed Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5907
  • Email me at art@designsbydottone.com
Re: metamerism makes you pick different colors?
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2012, 11:48:42 AM »
easy for you to say. ::)
Artist & high end separator, Owner of The Vinyl Hub, Owner of Dot-Tone-Designs, Past M&R Digital tech installer for I-Image machines. Over 35 yrs in the apparel industry. e-mail art@designsbydottone.com

Offline Colin

  • !!!
  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1610
  • Ink and Chemical Product Manager
Re: metamerism makes you pick different colors?
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2012, 02:28:28 PM »
I know I have on occasion.  Can't remember what they were though....

My biggest color beef is when people put a medium/columbia blue shade on red tee's.  It makes my eyes bug out and go crosswise  :o
Been in the industry since 1996.  5+ years with QCM Inks.  Been a part of shops of all sizes and abilities both as a printer and as an Artist/separator.  I am now the Ink and Chemical Product Manager at Ryonet.

Offline Prosperi-Tees

  • !!!
  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4297
  • Common Sense - Get Some
Re: metamerism makes you pick different colors?
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2012, 02:29:34 PM »
Reds and blues are the worst.

Offline ScreenFoo

  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1296
  • Semper Fidelis Tyrannosaurus
Re: metamerism makes you pick different colors?
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2012, 02:40:03 PM »
I would have said yes this morning--but I almost never print discharge.

Do I change ink colors based on what color shirt they're going on?  Sure, if the customer is smart enough to let me.

Warm greys and light browns on the orange hue side, cool greys and light blues on the blue side.  And you can always get into the 'shift' (I think what you were getting at) where, say, you put lemon yellow on a green shirt for a more subtle print, or golden yellow on a green shirt to make it 'pop'.

Dan, apparently your attempt to illuminate the masses on this segment of colorimetry could be described as" illuminant metameric failure"

Maybe when people get outside, this post will make more sense.  :)

Offline Frog

  • Administrator
  • Ludicrous Speed Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13980
  • Docendo discimus
Re: metamerism makes you pick different colors?
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2012, 03:15:14 PM »
I think that when people get to the brass tacks of the issue, they won't get lost in the high-faluting scientific terms that tend to make one's head swim.
That rug really tied the room together, did it not?

Offline Sbrem

  • Ludicrous Speed Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 6055
Re: metamerism makes you pick different colors?
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2012, 03:19:11 PM »
No Dan, it's interesting. I've read it over before, but more importantly, I'm too slammed to dig in again.

Steve
I made a mistake once; I thought I was wrong about something; I wasn't

Offline tonypep

  • Ludicrous Speed Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 5683
Re: metamerism makes you pick different colors?
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2012, 06:48:43 PM »
Dan if you would like to discuss
770-329-3994

Offline sweetts

  • !!!
  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1768
  • Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication DUH
Re: metamerism makes you pick different colors?
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2012, 04:39:59 PM »
The big words scared me from this thread

Sent  from samsung gem(the worst smart phone ever)
RT Screen Designs
Willowick Ohio
www.rtscreendesigns.com