short bodied white inks. looking for a suggestions. . .

[alan802]

I really need to try some Epic Quick, but I don't use a supplier that carries Wilflex and I'm not got back to my old supplier who did carry it.  Out of all the whites I've tried recently none of them have been Wilflex.

[Screened Gear]

I have tried alot of whites and I have even modified whites to make them better for me. I have to say Wilflex Quick white (manually or auto) is the best so far for me. I didn't like it at first but when I was done with that first gallon I liked it a lot. I am now working on a Five of it and I think the five is better than the gallon. (I think the gallon was sitting around for a long time. The place I got it doesn’t even sell it in gallons. They just happen to have a gallon) I have said this before but the one thing I like the most about it is after cured the ink stays soft and rubbery. Your prints look and feel a lot nicer without any changes in the way you print. It also cures at a very low temp. I have never had a print break when pulled even when I pull it as far as I can. This is the first wilflex white ink I have used. I used 4 whites from Union,  2 whites from Rutland, one white from WM and one from Xenon in the last 3 years. Out of all of them The quick white is as close to a perfect white for me. It makes me what it try more inks from them and see how they are. I will be talking to them this Saturday at Long Beach.

[tonypep]

So is the QCM ink out there actually being produced by Rutland now or is it just back-stock everyone's going through?  It appears that Rutland figured out and, from the sound of it, improved the rubber-based formula. Not sure about plastisol.

A white just for fuzzy-ass ring spun blends?  Sounds like our dream ink.  Will definitely be checking that out.

I have a sample request for some phthalate-free Phoenix.  Now we play the waiting game.....

For now, I'm sure that Epic Quick isn't the best thing on the block necessarily but it gets 'er done admirably on most jobs.  Nice hand to the finished print but it could be just a little whiter in my opinion, I miss that about 159.
What does Street Fighter LB improve upon compared to Quick?  And is Rutland consistent?  That's what I really like about Wilflex- every batch is the same so far.

I have visited the Wilflex production facility in Kennessaw and there is a reason for their consistency.
They are a fastidious bunch of folks and the plant runs 24/7/365. Not that others do not but their capacity is overwhelming.
Back to the HSA from Rutland rumour has it that it was made off shore and Rutland made an agreement with the company either to manufacture or distribute or both.
It is an opaque WB made primarily for the Tri-blends; which we print a lot of for all the bands. Rick says it's soft and opaque. These inks in the past were notorious for drying in the screens however.
We'll see.

[RICK STEFANICK]

yep, it does dry in faster than standard waterbase and retarding it as we know will effect the flash time. running that product its best to have a extra operator for quick response when stopping. i just lightly mist the screen, do whats necessary and resume. lighter flood pressure and leaving the screens in the flood position also helps.

[Prosperi-Tees]

I just made the best white ink I have used thus far. Wont be able to duplicate it again but it works great with 5% soft hand base and 5% curable reducer.

[jasonl]

Quick white is great, been using it since it came out and I can't find anything even near the quality.  I little birdy told me that a LARGE US supplier will have Silicon White out very soon.  They have been working with a silicon manufacturer and NIKE on this product.  Look for it soon.  Thats all I can say about it right now.  Don't know if I am the only one who knows this yet.

[Homer]

Hey P, what ink did you end up with? We are still going strong on Phoenix.

[Prosperi-Tees]

I just tried some Phoenix white on the manual a couple days and it was the best white print I have ever done. Cut it about 5% curable reducer and warmed it up on top of the dryer and went to town.

[blue moon]

we are using the house brand of white from Multicraft (which I believe to be Phoenix). I have several others here we were supposed to test with Rich Roth, but he did not make it and we've gotten too busy for him now. We did run a gallon of Wilflex Epic Quick White when we ran out of our regular stuff and Shirley (our production manager) says it prints as well as Phoenix. I'll order few more gallons and give it a more thorough try.

pierre

[JBLUE]

CCI just gave me a gallon to try. Looks promising. We will see how it does on press.

[RICK STEFANICK]

To all.....There are three versions of SF white
9746=poly
9072=cotton
9073=both
I use the 9073. Since my pricing is the same for all that made sense. In four months i haven't found anything it did not work on. I will be iinterested in hearing pierres observations on it.

same senerio here. we only use the 9073 and it does have a nice matte finish. the cotton version is definatly a shorter bodied product but climbs the squeegies to the point of having to add a 1/2 gallon to the screen to keep it flooding.

[RICK STEFANICK]

street fighter direct from rutland is running 41 bucks a gallon.

[ebscreen]

Switched to Street Fighter cotton after a few tests.

I like it. I sticks a bit much, and doesn't want to stay in the
flood/squeegee path, but that can be dealt with.

Approximately half the price of Epic Quick in 5's.

[Mr Tees!!]

...I recently decided to try some new white inks, I have been using QCM 158, which prints well but just wont stay in the center of the screen.

...trying some of their 109 "Simply White" OK, but not great. Seems OK for a standalone cotton white, but seems to have a small amount of blowing agent, which is not cool for underbasing. Cant recommend on 50/50, bled a bit on a Royal tee.

...Also trying some IC 711...now that stuff seems REALLY nice so far. Only used on one job so far, prints nice, smooth, excellent coverage and opacity. Need to try on 50/50, but so far i am sold. Atlas has it on sale too...$275 for a five. May stock up for the year if it continues to test this well

[RICK STEFANICK]

that 711 is a really good  longer bodied product but it does flash slow.