There are many companies out there and on this board. My tiny company buys from a lot of them and yes, we use M&R equipment as well. I have also had the pleasure of using other companies equipment in the past. I have used almost, not all, but almost all the ink available in North America. I really don't think any equipment or ink or supply company / distro in this part of the world is trying to not do their part in what they offer. No one is trying to pull a fast one is what I am getting at. When I go to a trade show (ISS Long Beach) they are all there. Yes, all the different shades from blue to brown to red to green to this and that. I wish there was a polk a dot company, that would be awesome. What I am saying is I don't think there is a company at ISS not doing good business with their clients. I could be wrong but how do they show up year after year? This forum is an amazing place for people like me. Every single time I log on I learn something. Heck, I even have friends that I would bend over backwards from this board. So I am going off target here and I know this sounds cheesy but we all just need to get along on here and spread helpful info and stop saying who is better with regards to this and that. Especially in an industry where there really are no standards and the variables in your shop are different from mine. I will end this though with saying yes, Rich and M&R does offer a support level I have not experienced with any other company. That is just my experience, not yours, and not saying whatever color equipment / ink you use doesn't because once again if they didn't they would not be at ISS year after year. So stop complaining and get back to work. Good night