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screen printing => Separations => Topic started by: Rocfrog on February 04, 2013, 03:31:37 PM
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Ok not sure if this is in the right forum so admins please move if necessary.
So I got an email this morning from one of the sales people asking "how many colors is this and how can we reduce the colors to make it cheaper in price?" Well first off we only do spot printing and typically only do 2-3 color jobs and sometimes 4 color but never any process printing, so usually when I see something like this I tell the sales people that we can't do it.....
But I'm curious if there is a way to print this in a 2-3 color using spot printing.....????
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Rocfrog/Screen%20Print/PPSF_zps6de9447e.jpg)
Nick
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That would be a minimum of 8 colors for us
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4cp might be the way to go depending on the color of the garment and the number of print stations you have.
How's about some more details?
Also, how many shirts?
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since we have a 10 color press, 8 would be it for us. I'd go sim or process with some extra color plates.
Steve
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more detail would be nice, I have to decide if I want to steal this one from you. ;) just kidding
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I don't know the details of the job, this is all they gave me. I don't even know shirt color. But when we have done this job in the past (different art) I think we usually do 100....I think.
Like I said above we don't do 4color or process printing, don't have the inks or the knowledge to do it....
Those that said 8-10, how would you separate that out? So for such a lame question, I still only work primary in Illustrator so something like this for me in next to impossible to figure out.....
is there no way to get this down to 2-3 color??
Nick
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not and have it look good.
send it out to a separation service like dot-tone-dan...it will come back and you can print it...usually with little or no tweaks.
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totally agreed, it looks like it needs the keen eye of an expert separator
good luck team mate
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Just ran it thru Separation Studio to see what it would do and it's showing 9 colors but there's not much in the purple or green so I could drop it down to 7, but that's still crazy!!!
Nick
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Not too crazy. There is a lot going on in that image.
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for 100 shirts it's crying out to be done DTG.
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You can buy sublimation sheets printed out then just heat press on shirt, have to be poly but it's a cheap way to go
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Ok not sure if this is in the right forum so admins please move if necessary.
So I got an email this morning from one of the sales people asking "how many colors is this and how can we reduce the colors to make it cheaper in price?" Well first off we only do spot printing and typically only do 2-3 color jobs and sometimes 4 color but never any process printing, so usually when I see something like this I tell the sales people that we can't do it.....
But I'm curious if there is a way to print this in a 2-3 color using spot printing.....????
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Rocfrog/Screen%20Print/PPSF_zps6de9447e.jpg[/url])
Nick
for a small qty, 4 color process would give you a pretty good image (on white shirt only). It could be further improved with a couple of spot colors, but then you are getting into sim process category that would look much better.
We would print this for less than $4 per shirt and make it look pretty good. And before anybody starts screaming bloody murder, that includes $$$ for the seps and still almost $300 per hour for the press time (it would take us about an hour start to finish. If in a hurry we could do it in less than 30 min).
pierre
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Nick, if you want to keep it somewhat local here in Colorado we can print the job for you. If your interested shoot me an email and I will send you pricing for us to print it. I'm sure we can price it out so you guys make some money and retain the client.
Danny
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Give your customer the quote first and see if they want to spend that kind of money for seps and outsourcing it. They may come back and say just knock it down to 3 colors or something. I wonder what Toms raster program would do with it...
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Give your customer the quote first and see if they want to spend that kind of money for seps and outsourcing it. They may come back and say just knock it down to 3 colors or something. I wonder what Toms raster program would do with it...
I find it more productive to get a budget from a client up front and present them with options that fit.....
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Give your customer the quote first and see if they want to spend that kind of money for seps and outsourcing it. They may come back and say just knock it down to 3 colors or something. I wonder what Toms raster program would do with it...
I ran it through simple seps raster and it had 7 colors without a HW, BUT -if you really wanted to get it down, 5 colors was the fewest I could see. That's with one shade of blue, blue and yella making the green, and needing a base white. I wouldn't run it that way, but if it really had to be done, I suppose you could.
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Rocfrog you guys must have a good customer base to only do spot colors and only up to 3 or 4 colors, I kinda like everyone else on this one unless you go full grayscale and put color in the flag.
Darryl
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I have no customer control/contact here, or make any actual decisions on what we print and don't print. I have a feeling that we are going to outsource this because, I have no idea how to print a job like this with out getting into process type printing which is why I was asking how to do it......
Nick, if you want to keep it somewhat local here in Colorado we can print the job for you. If your interested shoot me an email and I will send you pricing for us to print it. I'm sure we can price it out so you guys make some money and retain the client.
Danny
I can run it by the sales person but I have a feeling they will just go with one of your competitors up there that I hate dealing with, but it's who they have always gone with....
for 100 shirts it's crying out to be done DTG.
I would LOVE a DTG machine but we don't have cool stuff like that here. ;)
Not too crazy. There is a lot going on in that image.
I meant for our shop. I realize for most shops that pretty standard, but like I said before we only do 1-2 color spot jobs and every once in awhile 3-4 color spot but not often.
Rocfrog you guys must have a good customer base to only do spot colors and only up to 3 or 4 colors, I kinda like everyone else on this one unless you go full grayscale and put color in the flag.
Darryl
Not sure what your meaning by "a good customer base"...??? I not a fan of our customers, they (and the owners) limit us on what we can do. 99.9% of what we print is local high school sports stuff.....lots of names and numbers!
So I tinkered with it some more yesterday and recreated most of it, but the mountains and Garden of the Gods look like bad paint by numbers, LOL!!! So I told the sales person I'm not sure what they wanted to do and listed several options on how we "could possibly" print this. So I'll just wait and see what they say......
Nick
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I ran it through simple seps raster and it had 7 colors without a HW, BUT -if you really wanted to get it down, 5 colors was the fewest I could see. That's with one shade of blue, blue and yella making the green, and needing a base white. I wouldn't run it that way, but if it really had to be done, I suppose you could.
How does Simple Seps Raster compare to Vector Magic?? I have been using the on-line version of Vector Magic for years now and like it for the most part, the new Live Trace in Illustrator is almost comparable now, but I like the simplicity of Vector Magic. But I'm always looking for "better" software to tinker with.
Nick
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You can't compare a vectorization program to a separation program, can you?
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Now I see you guys do a lot of ball team stuff we did to when we first open, but it didn't take long before I had to learn the ropes of 4cp, sim process multi color spots. Sometimes I welcome those simply spot jobs they pay just as well and the turn around is quick.
Darryl
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You can't compare a vectorization program to a separation program, can you?
Oh wait!? I think I read two comments together and assumed that he was referring to a vectorizing program........my bad....never mind.....
Nick
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Heck at 4 bucks no brainer
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Ok so I had an idea pop into my head last night and came up with this!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Rocfrog/Screen%20Print/PikesPeakScienceFair02_04_13_zps25f9e4a4.jpg)
I got it down to 4 colors, not sure how it'll print but I sent it to the sales person and we'll see if we go forward with it.....
Oh and I mocked it up on white because I still don't know shirt color....
Nick
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I thought I mention that idea to you a few post above unless you mistook what grayscale is, anyway hope it all works out for you guys, and tell your boss to let you cut loose, more biz more dollars.
Darryl
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I thought you were mentioning full grey scale.....??? My bad....it's been a ruff week here....
Anyway I used a technique that Sbrem mentioned to me in another "how to print this" post I did awhile back...
Nick
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Rocfrog you guys must have a good customer base to only do spot colors and only up to 3 or 4 colors, I kinda like everyone else on this one unless you go full grayscale and put color in the flag.
Darryl
I hear ya on the rough week... my wife has been gone for 20 days. I'll be glad to have her back!! Also glad to be leaving on my vacation in two days! ;)
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Only thought would be to outline the CO flag, maybe in blue or black, gets kind of lost otherwise.
But yeah, that was my first thought when I saw this.
I bet one of the talented separators on this forum would be able to use the other
existing colors (blue, red, yellow) to come up with something cool for the central pic, maybe a sepia
tone type deal.