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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: Gilligan on July 06, 2012, 07:10:32 PM
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It's really not as bad as the subject sounded. It's actually a buddy of mine's shop, his lease is up and he said they want an insane amount to purchase the equipment, so he's giving it up and buying new.
At first I turned down the job because when he said Workhorse 8 color 6 station I thought, not too many of those in my neighborhood and asked if it was my buddy's shop and said "Sorry can't do it." Then he explained and I talked to my buddy and he verified.
SO... now I have to pick up:
That 8c4s carousel
a PQ3011 (powerhouse 30" belt 11' long dryer)
Primus P1820M Flash
Epson 4800
Wasatch Softrip (and dongle)
Rhinospray Pressure washer
Ioline 300 Design and Sew system
Hotronix Swinger Heat Press.
I just listed everything on my sheet here.
I'm guessing I'll pull the infeed and outfeed off the dryer and break it down as much as I can as I'm gonna probably try and squeeze this into a 6x10 cargo trailer. Thinking I'll pull the heads up on the press like when it's delivered (upstop pin needs to be removed), and pull the pallet arms... anything I should know about that "spring pin" I read about in the manual?
Everything else should pack pretty easy I'm guessing.
Anyone have any suggestions? It's just gonna be my guy, the customer and myself (possibly the wife will be with us) doing this job.
Oh, I'll bring some 2x4's to put under the press to be able to lift a little easier, that's what I do with my Antec Legend and though it's still a monster we can waddle around with it.
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the dryer can be moved with 4 guys no problem. If you take it apart it would be able to be moved by 2 big guys. (I had that dryer.) Just take the 4 bolts at each extension arm and it will break down with out many issues The belt rollers will come out when you release the arms (you should only have to remove 8 bolts per side). The press is a 8 color 4 station? I don't think they made that. I have a 6/6 and they weight about 600 pounds. I move mine around with a pallet jack it fits perfectly under the stand. If you have to take it apart, take the heads off marking each and its location, and the pallet arms (they should be marked). It will cut the weight way down the base is still really heavy. If you can get 2 dollies and put one under each side and you should be able to move it up the ramp. That's how I had to get min off my trailer. The dryer will be easy compared to the press.
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Are you repoing it to your shop? When we picked up our 12 ft 36" dryer we had 4 people but when we got home it was just me and the wife. That was fun!!!! NOT!
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Sorry, I meant an 8 color 6 station. (I have a 4 station so my fingers went into autopilot I guess).
4 guys we won't have... I'm not even sure if the trailer has a ramp yet *gulp*.
I'll find out more about the trailer tomorrow... I may purchase the trailer, we will see.
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Are you repoing it to your shop? When we picked up our 12 ft 36" dryer we had 4 people but when we got home it was just me and the wife. That was fun!!!! NOT!
Negative, it's going to Dallas... I will be picking up my new (to me) 48x48 stainless CCI washout booth and new CCI Dip and Strip kit for the ride back!
The repo is not only saving me the $240 in shipping but also paying me a few bucks... I'm lining it all up with a scheduled vacation trip with the family to Toledo Bend Reservoir, there by cutting out about 150'ish miles of the trip (one way)... just got to add in the extra fuel cost of pulling a trailer (20%?) In the end it will probably pay for the washout booth and possibly the dip tank.
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Are you repoing it to your shop? When we picked up our 12 ft 36" dryer we had 4 people but when we got home it was just me and the wife. That was fun!!!! NOT!
Negative, it's going to Dallas... I will be picking up my new (to me) 48x48 stainless CCI washout booth and new CCI Dip and Strip kit for the ride back!
The repo is not only saving me the $240 in shipping but also paying me a few bucks... I'm lining it all up with a scheduled vacation trip with the family to Toledo Bend Reservoir, there by cutting out about 150'ish miles of the trip (one way)... just got to add in the extra fuel cost of pulling a trailer (20%?) In the end it will probably pay for the washout booth and possibly the dip tank.
How many hours round trip will this take you?
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Out of the way from my already planned trip?
8 hours (not counting loading up).
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On my older Jav you can't pull the pallet arms. They are welded. When I moved mine I just removed the pallets and two print arms. Oh chock the wheels on the trailer when loading, don't ask how I found out what happens if you don't! Lol.
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This is a workhorse manual right?. If its a auto your in trouble.
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LOL... yeah, a manual.
I guess I can see how that mistake was made 8 colors and 6 station and all.
It's a manual... sorry for that confusion. LOL
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Oh then easy cheesy.
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It's really not as bad as the subject sounded. It's actually a buddy of mine's shop, his lease is up and he said they want an insane amount to purchase the equipment, so he's giving it up and buying new.
Gilligan: Sorry about diverting this thread slightly but I thought that your post demonstrates a real good point about the different types of equipment lease/financing programs. There are probably many more lease options out there in the market, but three common programs that I am aware of are; $1.00 buyout, 10.0% buyout, and Fair Market Value buyout at end-of-term.
The different programs all have some pros and cons to be considered especially if you plan to retain the equipment at the end of the lease period. It makes a lot of sense to look beyond the amount of the deposit required, and the monthly payment and fully review what your best options are before getting into a long term equipment lease.
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No problem Peter, I agree with you.
Granted, I'm not a lease kind of guy period. If you do the math that is usually some brutal interest rates!
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The only thing I've ever leased was a car and I must say that it was a good move financially. I've never had a car long enough to pay it off so leasing worked.
One thing I would say is to not buy a trailer, borrow that sucker. If you can, borrow boats and trailers from friends who thought it would be a good idea to buy one. Maybe you'll use the trailer enough for it to make sense to buy it but I doubt it. Unless you're in the business of hauling stuff big enough for a trailer, I'd just borrow, or rent. A uhaul box truck would be perfect.
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I'm almost with you on the trailer... I'd buy a utility trailer for the right price as I can see using it for various things (even just taking some garbage from the house to the shop's dumpster when we miss garbage day or have more than the usual trash that week.
But in this case I need a place to store stuff at my shop... this trailer will sit in the parking lot and be a storage container for all the stuff that I was storing at the shop before I moved the print shop in that space. I'd rather a connex box but we don't really have the property for it and the landlord won't put it on the "back" of the building because it could be seen from the road and I guess he doesn't want me blocking the algae on that wall from being seen.
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No problem Peter, I agree with you.
Granted, I'm not a lease kind of guy period. If you do the math that is usually some brutal interest rates!
With a lease you should never concern yourself with the amount of the payment or the interest rate because how much you can carry to the bottom line is what is really important....
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Well next time you buy some gear cash send me about 20% of that price since you don't mind tossing money in the trash. ;)
My point was that if you don't have to LEASE then don't. People in this business seem too quick to jump on a "lease" because it seems easy... easy ain't cheap usually. Go to the bank and get a proper loan if you can, or pay CASH like our boy Jeff. ;)
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With savings not paying any real interest to speak of, cash sounds like a sensible deal for those who have actually turned a profit for a few years and put something away.
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I did not say be stupid.......Obviously if you lease equipment because you can and not because you need it and it makes financial sense it is the wrong thing to do....
But consider things like DTS set-ups, gas driers, automatic presses.......In many operations these things pay for themselves very quickly....So if you can not pay cash, a lease is often a very wise thing to do....
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Somewhat irrelevant, but the workhorse I use is a 4 station, 8 head.
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I am in that predicament of whether to pay cash or lease. If I pay cash I'll exhaust all I have put away. So I'm kinda see it both ways.
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If I gave you the opportunity to invest in something with a GUARANTEED return of 18% annually would you take me up on that?
That's what you get when you pay cash vs giving someone else your 18+% interest.
Penny saved is a penny earned never rang truer.
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Gotta disagree with the post on"don'worry about payment"
Short sighted. You must worry about the payment. If things go poorly, how are you gonna pay?
Leasing is pricey. If you can' pull a loan at a traditional rate, maybe throw some cash in to get a better rate or payment.
Even though cash has no value as a savings vehicle nowadays, if you are out of cash, you are out of biz.
Ponder the query carefully.
Maybe get rostyster to sign for you. Hee Hee Hee
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If I gave you the opportunity to invest in something with a GUARANTEED return of 18% annually would you take me up on that?
That's what you get when you pay cash vs giving someone else your 18+% interest.
Penny saved is a penny earned never rang truer.
I think we are talking about different things.....If you "need" a piece of equipment and have cash to pay for it, certainly it is best to pay cash....But if you "need" a piece of equipment to make more money, you are better off leasing it rather than doing without it..
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If I gave you the opportunity to invest in something with a GUARANTEED return of 18% annually would you take me up on that?
That's what you get when you pay cash vs giving someone else your 18+% interest.
Penny saved is a penny earned never rang truer.
I think we are talking about different things.....If you "need" a piece of equipment and have cash to pay for it, certainly it is best to pay cash....But if you "need" a piece of equipment to make more money, you are better off leasing it rather than doing without it..
I was referring to Gerry's post here when I wrote that.
I am in that predicament of whether to pay cash or lease. If I pay cash I'll exhaust all I have put away. So I'm kinda see it both ways.
That being said... I still suggest you find better options. It's not "lease or don't" as others have suggested, got to the bank and get a more traditional loan with MUCH better rates.
Why throw money away if you don't have to?
If you need a piece of gear that cost 50k and it will make you 100k the first year you own it. Absolutely get it... but why pay 70k for that piece of gear (after leasing) when you could have only paid 60k from a bank.
I'd rather have an extra 10k in my pocket than in the leasing companies pocket. Obviously these are fictitious numbers... in fact they may be UNDER exaggerated.
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Gotta disagree with the post on"don'worry about payment"
Short sighted. You must worry about the payment. If things go poorly, how are you gonna pay?
Leasing is pricey. If you can' pull a loan at a traditional rate, maybe throw some cash in to get a better rate or payment.
Even though cash has no value as a savings vehicle nowadays, if you are out of cash, you are out of biz.
Ponder the query carefully.
Maybe get rostyster to sign for you. Hee Hee Hee
You are trying to read something else in to my words.....I never said "do not worry about payment"....Of course you have to worry about your payments.....But if there is a good "business case" to lease a new piece of equipment and it will help you carry more to the bottom line, then the payment will make sense....
Being in business is a risk....Some folks take more risks than other....But typically those who take the biggest risks end up in a better position than the rest....
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I'd rather have an extra 10k in my pocket than in the leasing companies pocket. Obviously these are fictitious numbers... in fact they may be UNDER exaggerated.
Is it really 10k or are there some tax benefits that will actually lower the difference?.....
As far as rates, it appears we have much better rates in Canada....I just talked with a client who is a broker at Dominion Leasing and he said he has seen rates under 6% with typical rates over 3 to 5 years being 8% to 9%......
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Spending useless money (more interest than necessary) for an extra tax write off is a terrible idea.
Maybe I'm ignorant but I can't see any tax breaks on a lease vs regular loan from a bank that would save you the difference in the interest payments.
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I just like having money in the bank