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screen printing => Ink and Chemicals => Topic started by: inkman996 on July 05, 2012, 08:56:09 AM
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Alan this is more for you but I figured it is a good idea to start a post on this site about the white ink I been hearing about.
As read on the other site Miami's smooth white is about $180 for five gallons, thats damn cheap! Many their say it works awesome, i know you bought some to test how has that gone for you? I am going to pull the trigger and order a fiver today and try for myself.
Just a note if this white is really that good for that price I wanted to make sure all the other members here can also hear about it, knowing not everyone visits DS
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Not to cast aspersions on MSS in the least, but I seem to remember that the recommendation came from a certain guy in Idaho with (to me) a credibility gap so big that Evel Knievel turned down a challenge to jump it! The ink may be great, but I remember other things that he raved about as well at one time which turned out to be complete losers.
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I've used 2 gallons of the smooth and I bought a five gallon of the superior. I think most shops will prefer the smooth but I like the superior cause it's a little thicker and I can manipulate it more if I want to. This stuff is so good for the price. I won't say it's better than a lot of the other popular whites, but I think it's "as good" as all of them and even better than some, and at $180/5 gal, it's going to become popular around here I think. It has better than average opacity and it flashes fast, average bleed resistance from what I can tell (haven't tried it on major bleeders yet) so it does all the major things well. It's not short bodied so it won't climb the squeegee, I can't really say anything bad about it. My only concern is why is it so damn cheap?
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At $180 for five gallons, that's $30 a gallon (obviously). What do you usually pay for your other whites?
I can't compare in that quantity since I buy only gallons,, but shouldn't a five gallon container cost about the same as four individual gallons (or less)?
I pay from $34 to $42 a gallon for the the various whites I have bought over the last year.
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At $180 for five gallons, that's $30 a gallon (obviously). What do you usually pay for your other whites?
I can't compare in that quantity since I buy only gallons,, but shouldn't a five gallon container cost about the same as four individual gallons (or less)?
I pay from $34 to $42 a gallon for the the various whites I have bought over the last year.
That is $36/gallon
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Not to cast aspersions on MSS in the least, but I seem to remember that the recommendation came from a certain guy in Idaho with (to me) a credibility gap so big that Evel Knievel turned down a challenge to jump it! The ink may be great, but I remember other things that he raved about as well at one time which turned out to be complete losers.
I agree but others chimed in after him with praises so it seems to have merit, especially with Alan signing off on it.
My gallons of wilflex cost about $60 and over a hundred for poly whites.
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Not to cast aspersions on MSS in the least, but I seem to remember that the recommendation came from a certain guy in Idaho with (to me) a credibility gap so big that Evel Knievel turned down a challenge to jump it! The ink may be great, but I remember other things that he raved about as well at one time which turned out to be complete losers.
Hey guys, Evel Knievel here and I have turned on about 10 people in the last month to Smooth White and they all said they will buy it and love it. Frog you would love it. Manual shops can use it too!
If you think I lack credibility ask Brian from Middle Town Ink what he thinks!
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Perhaps its not the lack of credibility but the perception of quality that he is questioning.
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Hey guys, Evel Knievel here and I have turned on about 10 people in the last month to Smooth White and they all said they will buy it and love it. Frog you would love it. Manual shops can use it too!
If you think I lack credibility ask Brian from Middle Town Ink what he thinks!
Hey, I guess you are really "pushing" this "ink" :)
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Not to cast aspersions on MSS in the least, but I seem to remember that the recommendation came from a certain guy in Idaho with (to me) a credibility gap so big that Evel Knievel turned down a challenge to jump it! The ink may be great, but I remember other things that he raved about as well at one time which turned out to be complete losers.
Hey guys, Evel Knievel here and I have turned on about 10 people in the last month to Smooth White and they all said they will buy it and love it. Frog you would love it. Manual shops can use it too!
If you think I lack credibility ask Brian from Middle Town Ink what he thinks!
Just sayin', just because back in the late '60's, Buck knives were pretty good quality, I think that they were wise to turn down that Charlie Manson endorsement.
You have a new screen name, (and a new equipment brand loyalty), and we let you back on here. But to me, I can't help but think that you can take the boy out of Idaho, but you can't completely take the "Idaho" out of the boy.
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At $180 for five gallons, that's $30 a gallon (obviously). What do you usually pay for your other whites?
I can't compare in that quantity since I buy only gallons,, but shouldn't a five gallon container cost about the same as four individual gallons (or less)?
I pay from $34 to $42 a gallon for the the various whites I have bought over the last year.
That is $36/gallon
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At $180 for five gallons, that's $30 a gallon (obviously). What do you usually pay for your other whites?
I can't compare in that quantity since I buy only gallons,, but shouldn't a five gallon container cost about the same as four individual gallons (or less)?
I pay from $34 to $42 a gallon for the the various whites I have bought over the last year.
That is $36/gallon
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Not to cast aspersions on MSS in the least, but I seem to remember that the recommendation came from a certain guy in Idaho with (to me) a credibility gap so big that Evel Knievel turned down a challenge to jump it! The ink may be great, but I remember other things that he raved about as well at one time which turned out to be complete losers.
Hey guys, Evel Knievel here and I have turned on about 10 people in the last month to Smooth White and they all said they will buy it and love it. Frog you would love it. Manual shops can use it too!
If you think I lack credibility ask Brian from Middle Town Ink what he thinks!
Just sayin', just because back in the late '60's, Buck knives were pretty good quality, I think that they were wise to turn down that Charlie Manson endorsement.
You have a new screen name, (and a new equipment brand loyalty), and we let you back on here. But to me, I can't help but think that you can take the boy out of Idaho, but you can't completely take the "Idaho" out of the boy.
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You can't seem to add today or know your geography! Go ahead and watch you might learn too! ;)
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Iowa Idaho whats the difference? ;D
And don't say potato's!
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Inkman, send your address and I will pay for a gallon for you. I think its that good. Kevin is a stand up guy and I would like him to have further success in his business as I do for most people who don't have an animal name.
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You can't seem to add today or know your geography! Go ahead and watch you might learn too! ;)
Actually, the initial error for which I donned the dunce cap was multiplication.
As for my state faux pas, sorry Idaho.
Look, I thought that I was clear. A high quality, low priced ink from an upstanding guy in Florida has little to do with your lack of credibility in the eyes of those who watched your shameful behavior when on the Spider team.
Now, we know, and I even mentioned it to you when you were permitted to join under your now persona, that we don't dwell on that drama and negativity here, but, your past is what it is, and my statements stand.
Hey, I know that people can turn around, but I wasn't crazy about hiring a bunch of ex Nazis to help get us into space back in the day either, but it is what it is.
Please prove me wrong over the next few years, and I may even let you buy me a beer, (or a good tequila).
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You can't seem to add today or know your geography! Go ahead and watch you might learn too! ;)
Actually, the initial error for which I donned the dunce cap was multiplication.
As for my state faux pas, sorry Idaho.
Look, I thought that I was clear. A high quality, low priced ink from an upstanding guy in Florida has little to do with your lack of credibility in the eyes of those who watched your shameful behavior when on the Spider team.
Now, we know, and I even mentioned it to you when you were permitted to join under your now persona, that we don't dwell on that drama and negativity here, but, your past is what it is, and my statements stand.
Hey, I know that people can turn around, but I wasn't crazy about hiring a bunch of Nazis to help get us into space back in the day either, but it is what it is.
Please prove me wrong over the next few years, and I may even let you buy me a beer, (or a good tequila).
Frog you clearly have a beef, Me this is just entertainment! I could care less proving you wrong. Prove me wrong and get busy buying autos and stop acting like a child . You are clearly a spectator in this business and not a player, that is a shame all these years in this game and you can't drop the squeegee and auto up.
Did you forget that this site spammed me to join! Those that can do and those that can't become frogs
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Actually Andy is at exactly where he wants to be in his business at his age. You can never fault a person for that.
As for the ink I already went ahead and ordered a fiver will let know what I think.
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Actually Andy is at exactly where he wants to be in his business at his age. You can never fault a person for that.
As for the ink I already went ahead and ordered a fiver will let know what I think.
Inkman, I hope the Smooth White works for you!
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Frog you clearly have a beef, Me this is just entertainment! I could care less proving you wrong. Prove me wrong and get busy buying autos and stop acting like a child . You are clearly a spectator in this business and not a player, that is a shame all these years in this game and you can't drop the squeegee and auto up.
Did you forget that this site spammed me to join! Those that can do and those that can't become frogs
It appears that Inkman helped me out a bit while these old fingers were typing (and making coffee, and getting breakfast ready for the wife) but here it is anyway
Jeff, do you know who you sound like right about now?
There was a self proclaimed industry guru who on TSPMB railed on about the status quo, and anyone who disagreed was trying to hinder the industry. A few years later, on another forum or two it was anyone not buying his presses was embracing old technology. Some bit.
Then, it was anyone who didn't have a large automated shop with a large crew was insignificant and had no credibility, and lost the right to have differing views. When it came to specific equipment technological issues, I could see that up to a point.
Do not confuse me with some others who went toe to toe with him elsewhere in machine related arguments. I am who I am. I do not misrepresent myself, or try to build myself up to impress.
You are on a very short list of anyone deserving this explanation, but from the first time my story came out on TSPMB, I made it clear that I was and am happy to be a tiny operation, with absolutely no intention or desire to grow from my planned size. I also don't intend to do this much longer.
I, in fact, am hoping to be able to devote even more time running a forum to help provide help to those just starting out, those on the way up, and those with huge operations as well
And if there are any out there with similar small business plans as me, they are welcome as well.
Now, if all they want is what you consider entertainment, we can link them elsewhere.
We aim to please. ;D
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You can't seem to add today or know your geography! Go ahead and watch you might learn too! ;)
Actually, the initial error for which I donned the dunce cap was multiplication.
As for my state faux pas, sorry Idaho.
Look, I thought that I was clear. A high quality, low priced ink from an upstanding guy in Florida has little to do with your lack of credibility in the eyes of those who watched your shameful behavior when on the Spider team.
Now, we know, and I even mentioned it to you when you were permitted to join under your now persona, that we don't dwell on that drama and negativity here, but, your past is what it is, and my statements stand.
Hey, I know that people can turn around, but I wasn't crazy about hiring a bunch of Nazis to help get us into space back in the day either, but it is what it is.
Please prove me wrong over the next few years, and I may even let you buy me a beer, (or a good tequila).
Frog you clearly have a beef, Me this is just entertainment! I could care less proving you wrong. Prove me wrong and get busy buying autos and stop acting like a child . You are clearly a spectator in this business and not a player, that is a shame all these years in this game and you can't drop the squeegee and auto up.
Did you forget that this site spammed me to join! Those that can do and those that can't become frogs
And what constitutes one being a player in the game of screen printing?
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Hello everyone,
WOW, I would like to thank anyone who has posted about my company or my products. I do truly appreciate all the support!
If anyone has any questions please feel free to contact me directly anytime.
Regards,
Kevin Fleury
Miami Screen Print Supply
5608 NW 161St Miami Gardens Fl, 33014
Phone: (305) 622-7532
kevin@miamiscreenprint.com
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For anyone using "Smooth White" are you printing straight from the bucket or are you using any additives (Reducer, Fashion Base ect...)?
Also what where you useing prior to MSS Smooth White? Just want to compare to what I may have tried in the past.
I'm currently trying a sample on smaller orders, and it is a little thicker than what I currently use (OS FF LB WHITE).
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Currently using Wilflex extreme white for an every day white, but for the rising cost versus the performance it does not make sense any more. I used to be a die hard union white user and some where along the way their whites stopped performing as advertised, I am not sure if all this is due to the phalate changes or changes in the raw materials market but white inks seems to be suffering. Just last week I bought a gallon of brandywine standard print ink wilfex and it cost $119 I was floored!
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Currently using Wilflex extreme white for an every day white, but for the rising cost versus the performance it does not make sense any more. I used to be a die hard union white user and some where along the way their whites stopped performing as advertised, I am not sure if all this is due to the phalate changes or changes in the raw materials market but white inks seems to be suffering. Just last week I bought a gallon of brandywine standard print ink wilfex and it cost $119 I was floored!
Try MSS colors I'm very pleased with what we've used thus far. We were using wilflex for our colors never had any issues but the price is starting to get out of hand.
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Jeff turned us onto the Smooth White which we ran directly against Epic White and Bright Tiger with great results. I started some jobs with the Epic and switched the the Smooth part way through and couldn't see a difference between the two. We have burned through at least 4 gallons of the stuff so far in the past month, still happy with it. With the Wilflex prices going up it was a no brainer for us. We also have put the Miami Ink Light Royal and Russel Grey against the same Epic colors and can tell no difference between the two except the price.
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May have to try this when I need more white. I think we are paying about double for wilflex.
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i really love the white ink from OneStroke, but I hate the price. I think a 5er is around $400 now. Their EJ special white auto is really good stuff.
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Is it just Nazdar or are quarts a dieing breed? I used to always be able to buy a quart of something I will rarely use. For instance the brandywine I needed less than a quart but Nazdar only sells gallons.
Same with 4cp inks, we only do so little of this a year and I hate the way 4cp inks after sitting for years on the shelf I prefer to buy them on an as needed basis yet not with Wilflex or Nazdar.
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Not to derail the thread but we were getting quarts from an outfit up around Boston but found in the long run a mixing system paid for itself with just a few jobs. We just mix what we need.
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A mixing system is a no brainer if your doing any type of volume.
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I think we do enough volume now, pushing 200,000 on our just over a year old press, but for some reason a mixing system is a hard sell to the owner here. Just gonna have to keep trying he will fold eventually.
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Is it just Nazdar or are quarts a dieing breed? I used to always be able to buy a quart of something I will rarely use. For instance the brandywine I needed less than a quart but Nazdar only sells gallons.
Same with 4cp inks, we only do so little of this a year and I hate the way 4cp inks after sitting for years on the shelf I prefer to buy them on an as needed basis yet not with Wilflex or Nazdar.
I think that with Wilflex, quarts aren't happening. I still sometimes get them from IC and Union, and with some colors, yes, even a quart can last me a long time, especially when whacked another 100% with base, but of course, I'm small time. ;D
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Is it just Nazdar or are quarts a dieing breed? I used to always be able to buy a quart of something I will rarely use. For instance the brandywine I needed less than a quart but Nazdar only sells gallons.
Same with 4cp inks, we only do so little of this a year and I hate the way 4cp inks after sitting for years on the shelf I prefer to buy them on an as needed basis yet not with Wilflex or Nazdar.
I think that with Wilflex, quarts aren't happening. I still sometimes get them from IC and Union, and with some colors, yes, even a quart can last me a long time, especially when whacked another 100% with base, but of course, I'm small time. ;D
I think Kevin would fill up some baby food jars if you sent them to him ;)
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Damn, had an impromptu trip to the doctor and this thread has gotten some legs. I've used every white ink from wilflex, union, QCM, One Stroke, Rutland, Triangle and at least a half dozen from some smaller operations over the last 2 years which it may look like I'm bragging but I'm actually not proud of that fact. But I observed the performance of these inks a lot closer than most shops do when trying out a new ink and the main reason I've used so many different whites is I'm very picky and demanding of it. I think the smooth is going to be the most popular of the two that MSS has but I like the little extra opacity of the superior. It's thicker but we don't have any issues printing with very little pressure like we normally do and I don't think it takes any real increase in print pressure over the smooth. So I'd recommend some of you guys to try it after you've tried the smooth.
If someone out there has tried the smooth or superior and didn't like it I would be intrigued as to why. I know that conditions and variables can change the performance of some of the products we use but I think there is still some things we could learn by sharing that kind of info.
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what about puh-thah-puh-thalate content of the inks?
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I am with you Alan I am particular about my whites and have tried basically all of them. Usually when I get a new white in shop I will load up a screen with my normal white print a few then clean it out add the new ink and print a few and check comparisons, make adjustments if ness scary for the new white and check again.
Damn just realized I am six away from one thousand posts, actually five now. Isn't there something. Special at 1,000?
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You get to buy a round
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Damn just realized I am six away from one thousand posts, actually five now. Isn't there something. Special at 1,000?
Pussy. ;)
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Damn just realized I am six away from one thousand posts, actually five now. Isn't there something. Special at 1,000?
Pussy. ;)
The way I see a high post count is one of to things, a well experiences seasoned guru that advises the masses or a newbie brand new in the industry with a ton of questions, guess which one you fill the bill with prick 8)
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Damn just realized I am six away from one thousand posts, actually five now. Isn't there something. Special at 1,000?
Pussy. ;)
The way I see a high post count is one of to things, a well experiences seasoned guru that advises the masses or a ...
I trailed off towards the end but from what I was able to pay attention to, you are WAY too kind and generous... thanks! ;)
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Mike have your boss do an analysis of your ink cost. Get your supplier to provide you with a cost breakdown and show him the difference. You are flushing money down the toilet.
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We have started using the smooth white. At first, the guys thought it was to thick(something wrong with the ink?) I gave them a call and they sent a small sample to compare to the 5 gallon pail we have. Same thickness, no problems. Our previous white we used was thinner so we were not used to it.
Now my thoughts.
We run a 12 color auto and a 6 color manual. On the auto this ink is great. It shears well, doesnt climb the squeege and you dont have to reduce it. We have the smooth white. It works great as a underbase and has good opacity as a stand alone or highlight.
It flashes fast which is something we need on the auto even using quartz flashes.
The price is really good compared to other whites. If they can give that price for 5 gallons why cant other companies? Makes you wonder how your getting robbed on those expensive whites. If this white continues to impress we may get rid of our other whites and have just one white for everything. The ink is that good.
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We have started using the smooth white. At first, the guys thought it was to thick(something wrong with the ink?) I gave them a call and they sent a small sample to compare to the 5 gallon pail we have. Same thickness, no problems. Our previous white we used was thinner so we were not used to it.
Now my thoughts.
We run a 12 color auto and a 6 color manual. On the auto this ink is great. It shears well, doesnt climb the squeege and you dont have to reduce it. We have the smooth white. It works great as a underbase and has good opacity as a stand alone or highlight.
It flashes fast which is something we need on the auto even using quartz flashes.
The price is really good compared to other whites. If they can give that price for 5 gallons why cant other companies? Makes you wonder how your getting robbed on those expensive whites. If this white continues to impress we may get rid of our other whites and have just one white for everything. The ink is that good.
I have been using kevin's ink for over 7 years and it has been good for our business! We use 99.9% of miami screen print ink. The black is 132.50 a five gallon.
If you want to save money and make more money use Miami Screen Print inks.. they are that good!!
Kevin, can you send Frog a baby jar full of Smooth White?
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I'm sure that he will send me a much larger sample if I requested it, as he seems a stand-up guy, and apparently is just stuck with you as a fan. ;D
Interestingly, a local Rutland distributor, in fact, insisted on sending me a full gallon of each Streetfighter, as they fear that small samples, especially with new CPSIA formulations, are more susceptible to temperature conditions sometimes encountered in shipping. With Kevin's inks, from Florida in the summer, this could get interesting.
btw, both cotton and low bleed seen like good inks. I don't have a price for you to compare, but I believe that I was told less than $40.
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Less than $40? What distributor might this be Andy?
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Screen Printer's Resource (http://www.spresource.com/home/screen-printing-inks/rutland-inks/whites/sf-2-low-bleed-white). I see the low bleed listed here but not the cotton
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so who actually MAKES this ink? we are hooked on Phoenix white, hasn't let us down at all, manual or auto. we go through small amounts, about a gallon every 2 weeks, but I see no reason to switch my white. . .I just wish it was a little more matte.
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I talked to Kevin on the phone thats how he knew to join in on this convo. Anyways it sounded like they make their ink and have been for many years.
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Does anyone know if this is a phthalate free ink?
And is the smooth white a low bleed ink, or a cotton only ink?
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I believe he said lo bleed for 50/50, they do not have a %100 poly white.
There I hit 1,000 woohoo! Shots of Citron for everyone
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Does anyone know if this is a phthalate free ink?
And is the smooth white a low bleed ink, or a cotton only ink?
I asked that a page ago. I think the answer is, if you have to ask then the answer is no. You'd think they'd advertise it as phthalate free. Not a deal breaker though for most shops and I will still probably order a fiver here in the next week.
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Does anyone know if this is a phthalate free ink?
And is the smooth white a low bleed ink, or a cotton only ink?
I asked that a page ago. I think the answer is, if you have to ask then the answer is no. You'd think they'd advertise it as phthalate free. Not a deal breaker though for most shops and I will still probably order a fiver here in the next week.
That's what I'm thinking. I'll probably give a call over there and ask. Sometimes I forgot that going straight to the source often gets you the most accurate answer.
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It probably isn't.
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I just called Miami Screen Supply.
They have 4 different whites (all low bleed):
superior: this is an auto ink
smooth: this is a little thinner and made to be manual friendly
super: kind of a middle ground between the two
these three inks are not phthalate free
The 4th is "pthalate free white". It performs closest to the superior, and is more of an auto ink
it costs $10 more per 5 gallons than the above three.
I will probably order a gallon to try out. Not sure if shipping from FL to MA will kill the price or not.
*disclaimer: This is what I was told. I have never used this ink.
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:::::UPDATE::::
I recieved my five gallon of smooth white and I just got done testing it out.
I printed half a job with Wilflex's extreme white, cleaned the screen out and printed the rest with Miami's smooth white.
Smooth is more opaque than the extreme but a tad thicker which means a bit of a rougher surface, I had to make some basic adjustments but I got it flowing nice.
Optically it is as white as extreme is.
Flash is the same as extreme, 2 seconds once palettes are warmed up.
So I really have no negatives except it is not as smooth as hoped for but I figured out a while ago to get a smooth creamy white RFU it simply will not be the ideal opaqueness.
For the positive tho extreme white lists for $350
Smooth is $185
My cost for shipping from Miami was $38 $1 less than me shipping UPS to Miami. Seems to me they are fair on shipping cost unlike some places.
This is a win win, a much cheaper white that stands up to Wilflex white as a every day use of ink.
I will now also order fivers of some of the basic colors and save even more money.
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Good to hear. We are about 3 gallons into the 5 of superior and it's been great. I did the same test the other day. Started a job with our 50/50 mixture of triangle phoenix and qcm 159 then switched it to the MSS Superior and the print was slightly smoother and more opaque, and so much cheaper.
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Streetfighter for cotton and for 50/50 is about $180/5 and has the benefit of that whole pthalate free thing.
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Even less, $164.33 http://www.spresource.com/home/screen-printing-inks/rutland-inks/whites/sf-2-low-bleed-white (http://www.spresource.com/home/screen-printing-inks/rutland-inks/whites/sf-2-low-bleed-white) (as I linked earlier in this thread for Gerry)
Not to take anything away from Miami, but yes, the Rutland is really reasonable.
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Streetfighter for cotton and for 50/50 is about $180/5 and has the benefit of that whole pthalate free thing.
Sean,
does it seem like the SF white takes a long time to flash? I have been using it this year and not so sure I really like it.. it does print flat but I do not get enough opacity
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I liked the street fighter ok but it wasn't opaque enough for me. We added the qcm 159 to the SF and Snap with decent results, but the triangle worked better mixed with the qcm. The SF and snap weren't quite opaque enough but I can see how it would be great in a lot of shops. Bottom line is I'm beyond picky when it comes to white and it's starting to spill over into the spot colors which will not be a good thing.
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Who has the cheapest 1 gallon buckets? I know someone posted a place they get some cheap clear quart containers -- thanks by the way on that -- but what about gallon containers? I don't like the 5 gallon bucket because we end up wasting so much that gets caked to the sides if we don't use it quick enough, and we've never broken it down to gallon size buckets. So, like the quart containers, who sells cheap gallon containers to break the 5 gallon bucket down?
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ULINE.COM
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Who has the cheapest 1 gallon buckets? I know someone posted a place they get some cheap clear quart containers -- thanks by the way on that -- but what about gallon containers? I don't like the 5 gallon bucket because we end up wasting so much that gets caked to the sides if we don't use it quick enough, and we've never broken it down to gallon size buckets. So, like the quart containers, who sells cheap gallon containers to break the 5 gallon bucket down?
Gallon buckets get expensive, we save all our empty emulsion buckets clean them out and wallah nice new bucket!
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usplastic.com
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How much are you guys paying for quart buckets? I've been getting mine at Lowes in the paint department. I think they are around 1.13 per and lids are seperate but very cheap as well.
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http://m.webstaurantstore.com/32-oz-newspring-yl2532-delitainer-clear-round-deli-container-combo-pack-240-cs/128YL2532%20%20%20COMBO240.html (http://m.webstaurantstore.com/32-oz-newspring-yl2532-delitainer-clear-round-deli-container-combo-pack-240-cs/128YL2532%20%20%20COMBO240.html)
Comes out to $.16/container (including the lid). Courtesy of Binkspot.
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RE Streetfighter for Robert et al:
At first coming from Quick it was a bit of a funky switch. You get used to how to print one
style of ink and then when you change inks and how to print it everyone has a grand old
freakout session. I know I did.
My only complaint about it is the tiny bit of gloss to the finish. I know I could suede it out but
when it comes to production/employees anything other than "take ink out of bucket put in screen"
causes yet another grand freak out.
I can deal with a tiny bit of gloss for less than half the price of Quick. (you're right on the price Andy,
though Tim is with Dynamic now...)
Ink containers here:
Delitainers (http://www.webstaurantstore.com/32-oz-newspring-ysd2532-delitainer-clear-round-deli-container-combo-pack-240-cs/128YL2532%20%20%20COMBO240.html)
Works out to $0.35 each delivered. Less for those of you closer to Georgia, or willing to find a comparably priced local supplier.
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Sean, I was just talking to the dude at Tekmar, and the whole Screenp Pinting Products/Screen Printer's Resource/Dynamic thing came up.
I was lead to believe that Screenprinting Products Or at least our branch) was merely bought by Dynamic, and figured that they were now running the operation out of Hayward
@screenprinter123
how much would you want to save on a fiver to justify breaking it down into singles? With my SF, it's like $10 or less, so with the cost of buckets, and the time and potential mess involved, I'd just go with the singles.
It may vary greatly withy the different inks.
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Frog I definitely agree with you if we were looking to stick with the Streetfighter -- I am just curious to know about the single gallon containers if we ended up trying a different white ink and got the 5 gallon container of that particular brand of white ink. Ironically, up until recently, our supplier didn't stock single gallons of the SF LB (we may have even been told it doesn't come in the 1 gallon containers and only in the 5 -- don't recall with certainty though, just like most things these days), so in years past we had to get it 5 gallons at a time in the 5 gallon container.
Thanks.
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Screen Printer's Resource ([url]http://www.spresource.com/home/screen-printing-inks/rutland-inks/whites/sf-2-low-bleed-white[/url]). I see the low bleed listed here but not the cotton
Cracked open a gallon of the low bleed. I gotta say I was impressed. Nice and creamy out of the bucket. Printed nice and flat and bright, (PFP) thru a 156. I couldnt screw up printing it, nice mat down and the PFP didnt result in a super thick glob of ink. This is #1 in my book.
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Screen Printer's Resource ([url]http://www.spresource.com/home/screen-printing-inks/rutland-inks/whites/sf-2-low-bleed-white[/url]). I see the low bleed listed here but not the cotton
Cracked open a gallon of the low bleed. I gotta say I was impressed. Nice and creamy out of the bucket. Printed nice and flat and bright, (PFP) thru a 156. I couldnt screw up printing it, nice mat down and the PFP didnt result in a super thick glob of ink. This is #1 in my book.
Yup, I love the ink. I got 4 galons from them last week, even with shipping cane out way cheaper than anyone else "locally".
I liked the MSS ink too, but with in not being P free (In cheaper version) I went back to Streetfighter. I hope they will keep it around for a while.
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DK you got a contact number for the Miami ink?
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DK you got a contact number for the Miami ink?
http://www.miamiscreenprint.com/ (http://www.miamiscreenprint.com/)
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Thanks I will give them a call...
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how are you guys liking this white ink? any updates?
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how are you guys liking this white ink? any updates?
Superior is amazing. My QCM is collecting dust and will only be used on items that require phthalate compliance. It's stringy but doesn't climb the squeegee. NEVER have to worry about it with winged floodbars and you don't have to overfill the screen like you'd think a white ink would need. Get a fiver of it, you won't regret it.
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The fact that Miami Screen never replied to any of my emails does not speak for them. Guess I won't be doing any business with them.
Rutland's Claira High Opacity Cotton White is pretty awesome. We are not too keen on the Streetfighter White though.
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What version of it is closest to the WillFlex Quick White? I need to try some.
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I got the same response Rockers. . .If the word on the street is correct, this ink is made by J&S. . .so a work around if I really wanted to try it. . multicraft in ohio has J&S. . .
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It smoke any of the Wilflex whites. We are using the non-phthalate superior white. When you card of a screen, it virtually leaves no residue of ink behind, prints so smooth, great for under basing sim process, very very bright white too. I love it from any whites that we've tried in the past. I haven't had any problem with contact, 2 minute phone call and your order is done.
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Well maybe they are new to the world of ordering via email.
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Well maybe they are new to the world of ordering via email.
Have you seen their website?? I'm surprised you found an email address! When a site clearly doesn't have a lot of effort put into it, it's safe to assume they aren't computer people and it's probably best to call if you want to do business with them. I don't like calling either, but it's worth it for the ink in my opinion!
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dammit it all, by the way you guys are talking, I'm going to have to call and try this miracle whip.
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dammit it all, by the way you guys are talking, I'm going to have to call and try this miracle whip.
I had a similar experience with email... we chalked it up to a big misunderstanding *shrug*... but if it wasn't for the way everyone was talking about it, I would have walked and never looked back over the handling of it.
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The fact that Miami Screen never replied to any of my emails does not speak for them. Guess I won't be doing any business with them.
Rutland's Claira High Opacity Cotton White is pretty awesome. We are not too keen on the Streetfighter White though.
Hey Matthias,
Glad the Rutland Cotton White is working for you. I figured you might have problems with the Streetfighter though...
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What problems do you guys have with the SF?
Workin' pretty well for me.
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What problems do you guys have with the SF?
Workin' pretty well for me.
Its pretty much perfect for me. It could be just a tad thinner though but that's the only gripe I have
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It's the reason that Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors! ;D
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I liked the street fighter just fine, but the miami ink is just a tad better in every category. Better coverage for underbasing most notably between the two, but other than that we could certainly live with the SF, especially mixing it with some qcm 159. We keep 159 on hand at all times to mix into the longer bodied inks to get them to a medium body. The miami needs a touch of 159, as did the IC 711, SF, and the other Rutland white we used for a while (can't remember).
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I liked the street fighter just fine, but the miami ink is just a tad better in every category. Better coverage for underbasing most notably between the two, but other than that we could certainly live with the SF, especially mixing it with some qcm 159. We keep 159 on hand at all times to mix into the longer bodied inks to get them to a medium body. The miami needs a touch of 159, as did the IC 711, SF, and the other Rutland white we used for a while (can't remember).
Al -what's your take on this ink compared to Phoenix? we absolutely love phoenix white. . .when it's warm.
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I liked the street fighter just fine, but the miami ink is just a tad better in every category. Better coverage for underbasing most notably between the two, but other than that we could certainly live with the SF, especially mixing it with some qcm 159. We keep 159 on hand at all times to mix into the longer bodied inks to get them to a medium body. The miami needs a touch of 159, as did the IC 711, SF, and the other Rutland white we used for a while (can't remember).
Al -what's your take on this ink compared to Phoenix? we absolutely love phoenix white. . .when it's warm.
I think the Phoenix is good stuff, it is more similar in body, brightness and flash time to the miami than any other ink. The Phoenix, street fighter and snap white, ic 711 are all longer bodied whites that all performed really similarly at our shop. I wish the longer bodied whites would shear as easily as the short bodied, but right now there isn't a white that can do literally everything we want so we have to choose a long or short bodied and modify them or deal with them as is. We are still modding our white with the qcm 159 but it's not needed as much and we could get by without doing it.
Honestly, I think you would be happy with the Miami but I think price would likely be the determining factor. The Phoenix performs as well as any white out there, so depending on what you are paying it might not be worth changing. The Miami 5'er is $180, that's ridiculous compared to what wilflex is asking, and I can't remember what I was paying for the Phoenix but I think it was mid 200. Street fighter is good and cheap but lacks opacity in my opinion compared to the Phoenix and Miami.
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What problems do you guys have with the SF?
Workin' pretty well for me.
No problems, but it does not live up to the hype.
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5 of Phoenix is high 3's. . .It is an awesome ink but damn, this is way too tempting to pass up. We have about 15 different whites kicking around, what's anouther gallon. I'll shoot a call on Monday and see if I can get snag some and see if it works for us.
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Homer, of you literally meant a gallon then i'd suggests two... shipping was like $8 for one or $10 for two.
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I liked the street fighter just fine, but the miami ink is just a tad better in every category. Better coverage for underbasing most notably between the two, but other than that we could certainly live with the SF, especially mixing it with some qcm 159. We keep 159 on hand at all times to mix into the longer bodied inks to get them to a medium body. The miami needs a touch of 159, as did the IC 711, SF, and the other Rutland white we used for a while (can't remember).
Al -what's your take on this ink compared to Phoenix? we absolutely love phoenix white. . .when it's warm.
I think the Phoenix is good stuff, it is more similar in body, brightness and flash time to the miami than any other ink. The Phoenix, street fighter and snap white, ic 711 are all longer bodied whites that all performed really similarly at our shop. I wish the longer bodied whites would shear as easily as the short bodied, but right now there isn't a white that can do literally everything we want so we have to choose a long or short bodied and modify them or deal with them as is. We are still modding our white with the qcm 159 but it's not needed as much and we could get by without doing it.
Honestly, I think you would be happy with the Miami but I think price would likely be the determining factor. The Phoenix performs as well as any white out there, so depending on what you are paying it might not be worth changing. The Miami 5'er is $180, that's ridiculous compared to what wilflex is asking, and I can't remember what I was paying for the Phoenix but I think it was mid 200. Street fighter is good and cheap but lacks opacity in my opinion compared to the Phoenix and Miami.
I'd concur that Miami Ink Superior has quite a bit more opacity/vibrancy to it than the SF II. I would contend, however, that the flash time is longer. For an underbase with a lot of open area that will have a lot of open area top colors, I'm flashing at 6-7 seconds to start off at to avoid that tacky/popping/suction sound that top colors have initially on top of a white underbase. Having said that, as the job goes on, of course, we reduce the flash time and it's well worth the greater opacity.
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You need a better flash unit :) then. Seriously though, we always start at 4-5 for the first revolution or two and by 100 shirts we are down in the 2-3 second range for flashing. Maybe the small addition of 159 decreases our flash time a bit? I know the 159 flashes fast, one of the fastest out there.
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I'll be having some sweet flashes after Las Vegas. I'll just try not to get them dirty as I eat your supplied burrito over 'em.
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I will dry cycle with the flash while applying adheasive to the pallets and getting ready to print maybe 3 or 4 revolutions. We start at 3 seconds and are down to 1.8-2 by the third reveloution using the Miami. That goes for the white and other colors.
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we do somewhat the same thing, but we warm the platens for about 10 minutes or so before we start to run. in the summer, we only go a few round and they are up to temp. I need to get a small space heater for my ink room because it gets cold as a mf'r in the warehouse.
do you think I should go with the superior or the smooth? like I said, we are only using phoenix now.
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Just shot them an email, its time to try them out!
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We get out pallets to c. 110 and then try to maintain 140-145 during the job (once they hit c. 140, we lower the flash time) - what about you guys?
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We tried both, I like the smooth, Megan likes the supior. IMO smooth is closer to Quick white, supior compares to Bright Tiger. Both are creamy and easy to use.
Our shop was 45 degrees yesterday morning and was able to use the Smooth right out of the bucket and still creamy. Some of the other inks needed to be mixed to get them to move.
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I actually found the Miami ink to be stiff. Maybe it's just me, but I wasn't a huge fan of it. I've tried tons of different whites and Phoenix just kills everything else out there. Wilflex Epic Quick is my #2 white, but Phoenix has a little more opacity (puff maybe) to it.
I don't care about price, to an extent. Phoenix is good, and a little pricey, but eliminates so many problems and allows an easy one stroke print that we save (make) money by using it.
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Like I said with my reference to 31 flavors of ice cream earlier, as long as I have been in the business, there has never been one white that suited everyone.
That said, virtually every single white out there right now seems consistently better than what we had in 1990!
Good to see another player getting good reviews though.
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I actually found the Miami ink to be stiff. Maybe it's just me, but I wasn't a huge fan of it. I've tried tons of different whites and Phoenix just kills everything else out there. Wilflex Epic Quick is my #2 white, but Phoenix has a little more opacity (puff maybe) to it.
I don't care about price, to an extent. Phoenix is good, and a little pricey, but eliminates so many problems and allows an easy one stroke print that we save (make) money by using it.
that's interesting. one says creamy, one says stiff. i guess the only way to know if it works for your shop is to try it out. I had the same feeling about price, but when this one is getting this great of a review, it's almost impossible to ignore. I have found all of wilflex whites to be very stiff compared to phoenix. We used Buffalo for a while and that was amazing, until I tried Quick - but to me -they are all like cement compared to phoenix. and the cost was about the same. We only go through about a gallon of white every 2 weeks, not a ton of ink but enough to have significant savings IF - IF it prints as nice as advertised.
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If you want a creamier version of the phoenix try their new Alpine white. Very creamy. I liked it alot but it's twice the price of Street Fighter so ill deal with the little bit thicker ink.
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For those of you who have tried both superior and smooth, how do they contrast with regard to
(1) opacity, (2) creaminess and viscosity right out of the bucket, (3) short vs long body, and (4) flash time.
If the opacity is comparable and the flash time better, maybe smooth would be worth a shot.
Thanks in advance.
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This is smooth on a black Port & Co. shirt. One hit two strokes on a 123 surloc panel. No heavy hand.
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We use the smooth and find it very creamy. We use it in the auto with no modifications. We liked the phoenix but found it just as creamy as the smooth but the smooth kills it in price. Why pay so much more for a product as good as creamy. We use this white now for everything.
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For those of you who have tried both superior and smooth, how do they contrast with regard to
(1) opacity, (2) creaminess and viscosity right out of the bucket, (3) short vs long body, and (4) flash time.
If the opacity is comparable and the flash time better, maybe smooth would be worth a shot.
Thanks in advance.
Honestly I haven't seen the added flash time needed for the miami versus the other inks we've used recently. Granted I'm no longer out there printing every day but trust me, if the ink wasn't as good as I think Carlos would let me know about it. He's as picky as I am with white ink, a second longer in flash time would not fly with him, he'd be at my desk complaining every day.
The smooth is creamier and softer out of the bucket than the superior but I like the superior more because I think it has better opacity, just by a small margin. It's longer bodied than the qcm whites, quick, bright tiger but not too long and stringy like the IC 711 can sometimes be.
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I just ordered some white from Miami. A gallon of smooth and a gallon of superior. I've been wanted to try this for a while. Question for those who have used it; I asked if they were low bleed. They told me they are recommended for 100% cotton but some people have used them on 50/50. Any one on here try it on 50/50? I'm thinking if this ink is as good as advertised I will want to keep a white on hand for 50/50. Thoughts?
Thanks!
Also....anyone try any of their opaque colors? How do they print (without an underbase)? How about their regular colors? Do they print wet on wet nicely?
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We had some bleed with red 50/50, I could see it but the customer could not, actually did a reorder. No other problems I can remember.
So far we have been using their colors with no issues including a few grey's, pinks, red, black, navy, orange, lt royal etc.
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We had some bleed with red 50/50, I could see it but the customer could not, actually did a reorder. No other problems I can remember.
So far we have been using their colors with no issues including a few grey's, pinks, red, black, navy, orange, lt royal etc.
Good to hear. If it works on black, which is 75% of what we print, that would be awesome. I don't mind keeping an extra white on for 50/50's. But if I could reduce that to stubborn stuff like red 50/50's.... That would be great!
Thanks Brian! Hope all has been well with you!
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We use the smooth and find it very creamy. We use it in the auto with no modifications. We liked the phoenix but found it just as creamy as the smooth but the smooth kills it in price. Why pay so much more for a product as good as creamy. We use this white now for everything.
what is the product number? how are the flash times?
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we have been using the Miami Non Phthalate superior white. very very very creamy, very opaque and awesome for under basing as well as highlighting through 230 mesh without a reducer.
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We use the smooth and find it very creamy. We use it in the auto with no modifications. We liked the phoenix but found it just as creamy as the smooth but the smooth kills it in price. Why pay so much more for a product as good as creamy. We use this white now for everything.
what is the product number? how are the flash times?
Flash times aren't as fast as qcm 159 but I think it's as good or better than the rutland snap and street fighter. If you were concerned about flash times, I'm sure you know this already, but I'll cut the white with some of that wilflex UB grey. That grey flashes incredibly fast and works great when added to an underbasing white. Not too much is needed either, still looks fairly white as well when we mix it. I'd guess about 5% added to the white of your choice.
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we've enjoyed using the superior white, but I'm a little skeptical of the inks actual contents. Defiantly odd in the curing aspect. Cracks if it's not hitting at least 380 for 20 seconds in the dryer, and has a little bit of a paint thinner smell as its curing. they don't supply alot of info just PF for phthalate free. Don't get me wrong, it prints awesome, washes well. But more info on it's high cure temp requirements and what's actually in it would help. I can't get anyone to email me back from there. So we will probably move on to something else when ready. We had al ot of white in the house.
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we've enjoyed using the superior white, but I'm a little skeptical of the inks actual contents. Defiantly odd in the curing aspect. Cracks if it's not hitting at least 380 for 20 seconds in the dryer, and has a little bit of a paint thinner smell as its curing. they don't supply alot of info just PF for phthalate free. Don't get me wrong, it prints awesome, washes well. But more info on it's high cure temp requirements and what's actually in it would help. I can't get anyone to email me back from there. So we will probably move on to something else when ready. We had al ot of white in the house.
I'm glad you pointed out the higher cure temps for me before I started using it.
Thanks!
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Like I said, I love printing with it. But when I have to see my crew re-running and order through the dryer because they aren't 100% sure of the cure, I get a little pissed. I know most shops around here could care less and would deliver, but you wouldn't believe how many times people have come to us to "re-cure" their order from another printer because they were under cured. I don't want to turn into that guy to save a few bucks on the cost of an ink. There must be a reducer added to it to make it so creamy, it's really nice on press, but that high cure temp and longer dwell is questionable to me. Quick white, which is what we switched from for this, flashed fast, cured up great 320 for 12 seconds you could stretch the crap out of it with no cracking, not with this, it needs the high temp and longer time, then it's nice and solid. Alan has a monster dryer so it probably doesn't affect him on that end.
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Like I said, I love printing with it. But when I have to see my crew re-running and order through the dryer because they aren't 100% sure of the cure, I get a little pissed. I know most shops around here could care less and would deliver, but you wouldn't believe how many times people have come to us to "re-cure" their order from another printer because they were under cured. I don't want to turn into that guy to save a few bucks on the cost of an ink. There must be a reducer added to it to make it so creamy, it's really nice on press, but that high cure temp and longer dwell is questionable to me. Quick white, which is what we switched from for this, flashed fast, cured up great 320 for 12 seconds you could stretch the crap out of it with no cracking, not with this, it needs the high temp and longer time, then it's nice and solid. Alan has a monster dryer so it probably doesn't affect him on that end.
We've never changed our temps on the dryer. It's set so the ink hits 320 in the last heat chamber and it flashes as fast as the other whites we've used. But I'm using the regular superior and smooth, not the non phthalate.
I am going to test sonny's new white next week so stay tuned. I don't know what xenon is putting in their white to cure so quickly and be so bleed resistant but I can't wait to try it out.
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I'm nervous to try the Miami white I just got in now. I got i the non ph. I'll let you all know what my experience is. I got a gallon of smooth and a gallon of superior. Trying to find the perfect white ink for both the manual and auto. My dryer isn't very long, so I can't afford a back log there.
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I have the Miami white and find it cures just as fast as any other white. It flashes as fast if not faster than most whites I use on the auto.
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I have the Miami white and find it cures just as fast as any other white. It flashes as fast if not faster than most whites I use on the auto.
Are you using the regular or Non Pthylate version?
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I have the Miami white and find it cures just as fast as any other white. It flashes as fast if not faster than most whites I use on the auto.
Are you using the regular or Non Pthylate version?
Regular
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Maybe it's something in the non pthalate version, but it defiantly needs more heat for a full cure.
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the new xenon ink is good, but they need to take the gloss out. Sonny said it's something they put in to make it have the athletic look. For regular printing though, i don't like it.
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I'm nervous to try the Miami white I just got in now. I got i the non ph. I'll let you all know what my experience is. I got a gallon of smooth and a gallon of superior. Trying to find the perfect white ink for both the manual and auto. My dryer isn't very long, so I can't afford a back log there.
There are more members here using it than any other ink so I think you'll be fine. Pretty much everyone I know that's tried it likes it or loves it. I've used 50 different white inks over the last few years and it's really the best ink for the price, and I can't think of an ink that outperforms it overall. Some inks do a few things better but overall, it doesn't really have any serious weaknesses.
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Been using the non PH since last summer have not had any cure issues what so ever. And I do check our cures often. As for flash time the thing is once the palettes are hot, bulbs are at peak heat the flash time on any white we use is faster than the print head except for really narrow left chests.
Just got in a five gallon of their black to test out, I am always picky about black inks, I cannot stand wilfex's so hopefully Miami's performs as well or better than wilflex's at a fraction of the cost.
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Mike, what is your dwell time/ temp that you are curing at? Gas or electric dryer, length of chamber? How is it holding up in a stretch test. Just curious. The last batch we printed pfp running through our heatwave set at 380 degrees, temp of ink staying steady at 360 degrees for 30 seconds, still cracked at stretch test. Had to crank the dryer up to 400 slow the belt down a little more and let the ink dwell at almost 400 degrees for 20 seconds or so to have it not crack. Like I said, I love the coverage of the ink, and the way it prints, its the curing that's been buggin me out.
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Mike, what is your dwell time/ temp that you are curing at? Gas or electric dryer, length of chamber? How is it holding up in a stretch test. Just curious. The last batch we printed pfp running through our heatwave set at 380 degrees, temp of ink staying steady at 360 degrees for 30 seconds, still cracked at stretch test. Had to crank the dryer up to 400 slow the belt down a little more and let the ink dwell at almost 400 degrees for 20 seconds or so to have it not crack. Like I said, I love the coverage of the ink, and the way it prints, its the curing that's been buggin me out.
We have electric so really hard to compare. Stretching is something we do on basically every job, its not to test cure but to give us a red flag that something is wrong. I have always slowed the belt by two units on the dial when we print white, they come out of the oven piping steaming hot. Pretty often I take test prints home and toss them in the home wash a couple few times. Only thing I can think of is that we always extra cure our white prints and switching to Miamis ink we are still over curing enough to avoid issues. Maybe if we were more dialed in and switched we might have seen a difference.
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Mike, what is your dwell time/ temp that you are curing at? Gas or electric dryer, length of chamber? How is it holding up in a stretch test. Just curious. The last batch we printed pfp running through our heatwave set at 380 degrees, temp of ink staying steady at 360 degrees for 30 seconds, still cracked at stretch test. Had to crank the dryer up to 400 slow the belt down a little more and let the ink dwell at almost 400 degrees for 20 seconds or so to have it not crack. Like I said, I love the coverage of the ink, and the way it prints, its the curing that's been buggin me out.
Are you testing with a donut probe? 360 degrees for 30 seconds is way beyond what our ink is getting to. Our temp probe reaches 320-330 at the last chamber of our dryer and it's sitting down in the ink. It's not at 320 or so but for a few seconds. The shirts read 290 with the built in laser temp gauge at the end of the dryer about 6" out of the dryer. I've heard of people over-curing ink and having cracking issues. We stretch a lot and it's just something we do to make sure the dryer is running, but not done to test for a full cure. Sometimes, with our old dryer, you don't notice it's not working and if your people at the end of the dryer are so unobservant to notice shirts aren't hot, you can get in trouble.
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BTW when i say we are over curing I don't mean to the point of boiling the ink, we just make sure we err on the side of caution and go a bit hotter than required for white inks.
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I gotta ask- is it worth the savings and performance increases jumping around with plastisol white ink brands?
I've just religiously used WFX Epic Quick for awhile now. Yes, I would love to pay a more reasonable price for ink, WFX pricing is insane, but I feel like I'm buying consistency that no one else is offering. I don't have to test and compare inks over and over, or triple check settings, I just crack open each bucket, warm it up and print it.
I'm horrified by the thought of having to recall an order b/c someone shipped me a mis-formulated batch of ink. It's not worth the risk to me as it can cost you your reputation and your clientele that was affected in addition to the out of pocket costs. One, just one, recalled job wrecks all the savings and, if a mfg is screwing up with formulation, chance are they are at the point where they will unscrupulously dodge around taking fault and using their insurance to at least pay you out for the recall. I got burned hard once by this, never again.
Not insinuating that miami ink is not properly formulated. Just noticed the wildly varying curing needs in this thread. It's probably just the difference in how shops measure cure and temp (donut probes read waaay low compared to surface temp readouts and there are probably as many brands/models of rayguns in use as there are print shops) but it could also be a red flag that, batch to batch, the ink is not the same.
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Have you tried Rutland StreetFighter?
We went from Quick to it, and while not quite as nice as quick (flashes a little slower, is a little
stiffer initially) I can deal with it for almost half the price.
I'd try the Miami, but we're a long way from Florida.
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Hello,
If anyone at anytime has any question regarding our inks or supplies all it takes is a call to my office. We have very stringent quality controls on all the products we sell. I have found that with anyone’s ink, no matter the manufacture, shop conditions & air temperature can effect drying time. I have witnessed shops all over south Florida that have to close their overhead doors when the temperature drops below a certain temperature. Weather they are using my ink or an ink from another manufacture. The fact is when it is cold a simple thing like adjusting the dampers at the ends of your dryer can affect the cure time of an ink. It all depends on the temperature of the ink on the shirt. Also a big mistake I see people make is sending one shirt through the oven to test the dry time. You must fill the belt with shirts to create the conditions as they would be in production. This will drop the temperature inside your oven. I can talk on all aspects of curing but, there is not enough space for me to type in this little box. Please feel free to call me anytime if you would like to have a conversation. I have been in this industry for more than 30 years. I started out printing manually 34 years ago. When I left the printing side & went into the supply side I was running production for a company with 5 automatics & several manuals.
I can assure you Miami Screen Print Supply sells only high quality inks & products that I will stand by 100%.
Kevin Fleury
5608 NW 161St Miami Gardens Fl, 33014
Phone: (305) 622-7532
kevin@miamiscreenprint.com
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Have you tried Rutland StreetFighter?
We went from Quick to it, and while not quite as nice as quick (flashes a little slower, is a little
stiffer initially) I can deal with it for almost half the price.
I'd try the Miami, but we're a long way from Florida.
I haven't. I'll check out a sample. Consistent?
Kevin, I hope you didn't take my post as a knock on your product, it's not. I especially would never speak ill of an ink I've never used and was just commenting on the formulation inconsistency that rears it's ugly head across many other brands. I agree with you completely on the multi-faceted aspects of curing. You guys clearly have a good thing going on- I think Alan has tested every white ink out there so if he likes it, it's probably something special! I'm just conversing on how it seems you need to pay out the nose to get serious consistency bucket to bucket with inks.
Back to Miami's NP white's- what's the shipping situation to the mountain west and west coast? Do you guys have any distribution out here or would we have to ship from FL on every order? If the shipping isn't going to spoil the deal I'd love to order a sample from you.
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Kevin, thanks for chiming in. Like I said I really love the superior white ink, it was the curing that has me baffled. I guess different ink manu's have different formulations. I'll see if we have any info logged on the problem days. We never know in central Fl humidity, temp is all over the place. I appreciate you chiming in though.