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screen printing => Ink and Chemicals => Topic started by: ZooCity on June 14, 2012, 01:46:58 PM
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I just spoke with a rep about HSA after hearing the glowing reviews from you guys and he really just talked me right out of it, said it practically combines the worst elements of plastisol and wb into one crappy package. Too much dry out, short shelf life, thick hand to the finished print, 30% more in cost than pthalate-free plastisols. I understand it's required ink for swoosh printers and, according to this rep, that's the only reason anyone is using it.
I hear different from Rick and Tony here, thoughts?
We have to pass on it just because of lack of availability + short shelf life combo being we're out in the sticks and all.
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HSA is Acrylic and it is not that impressive from what I can tell. Call up Nazdar and see if they'll let you try the Silicone based stuff. Now that stuff is impressive.
pierre
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apparently the rep is just out of touch with the product. yes it is tougher to work with than plastisol. the plastisol hand isnt even comparable. availability is good. i hope the rep doesnt work for rutland. its by far the best ink we have EVER used on tri-blends. just my .02
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this person said they were heavily involved in testing and even the big boys were having issues, needing to use swamp coolers to add humidity and what not.
I've noted that many inks that are 'major problems' for shops generally are no problem at all for us, like phthatlate-free in the early days for example so I was a little skeptical of being spooked away from it.
So you mean the hand is softer/better than plastisol?
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Hey Guys,
Just my opinion here but the stuff is really neat. Prints fine from what we have experienced. Granted we do not offer it now as we have more than enough inks with plastisol, water base, discharge, and others. We do not need another and we do not print for Nike. I did have the awesome opportunity to visit a very large shop recently and that is what they print around the clock. The numbers they do a week is staggering. Holy smokes. Tell you what though the prints are smooth and very nice. From my understanding this type of ink would be called "rubber base" in Europe because it does have that smooth, thin hand. Cool and it does have its place for certain designs/substrates but I prefer the water base / discharge "no hand" myself. However, in regards to silicone printing with Nazdar we did a ton of testing with it and yes it was awesome stuff but we had to scrap it due to actually getting the ink itself. And getting it to adhere to certain substrates, namely Nomex. From my understanding though Nazdar sold the rights and will no longer be offering it. Has anyone else heard that?
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Sericol purportedly has a better one. Am Beta testing nxt wk
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Who if anyone supplies SERICOL inks in the Southeast?
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Hey Guys,
Just my opinion here but the stuff is really neat. Prints fine from what we have experienced. Granted we do not offer it now as we have more than enough inks with plastisol, water base, discharge, and others. We do not need another and we do not print for Nike. I did have the awesome opportunity to visit a very large shop recently and that is what they print around the clock. The numbers they do a week is staggering. Holy smokes. Tell you what though the prints are smooth and very nice. From my understanding this type of ink would be called "rubber base" in Europe because it does have that smooth, thin hand. Cool and it does have its place for certain designs/substrates but I prefer the water base / discharge "no hand" myself. However, in regards to silicone printing with Nazdar we did a ton of testing with it and yes it was awesome stuff but we had to scrap it due to actually getting the ink itself. And getting it to adhere to certain substrates, namely Nomex. From my understanding though Nazdar sold the rights and will no longer be offering it. Has anyone else heard that?
how new or old is your info on the silicone ink? I've jsut talked to the rep few weeks ago and they were just ramping up with it.
also,
what do you mean by: in regards to silicone printing with Nazdar we did a ton of testing with it and yes it was awesome stuff but we had to scrap it due to actually getting the ink itself.
pierre
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Hey Guys,
Just my opinion here but the stuff is really neat. Prints fine from what we have experienced. Granted we do not offer it now as we have more than enough inks with plastisol, water base, discharge, and others. We do not need another and we do not print for Nike. I did have the awesome opportunity to visit a very large shop recently and that is what they print around the clock. The numbers they do a week is staggering. Holy smokes. Tell you what though the prints are smooth and very nice. From my understanding this type of ink would be called "rubber base" in Europe because it does have that smooth, thin hand. Cool and it does have its place for certain designs/substrates but I prefer the water base / discharge "no hand" myself. However, in regards to silicone printing with Nazdar we did a ton of testing with it and yes it was awesome stuff but we had to scrap it due to actually getting the ink itself. And getting it to adhere to certain substrates, namely Nomex. From my understanding though Nazdar sold the rights and will no longer be offering it. Has anyone else heard that?
how new or old is your info on the silicone ink? I've jsut talked to the rep few weeks ago and they were just ramping up with it.
also,
what do you mean by: in regards to silicone printing with Nazdar we did a ton of testing with it and yes it was awesome stuff but we had to scrap it due to actually getting the ink itself.
pierre
Hey Pierre,
I just sent you a message. Like a second ago. But yes, we did a lot of cool prints for ourselves and clients last winter/this spring but then we could never get the ink here in substantial amounts. Like even a gallon. Just sample pints.
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You can get Sericol direct by the gallon, fyi.
What's the Sericol version called?
I have this job we're running next week that's become an annual one for a race event using AmerApparel DR401 Dri Fit Ts 90/10 poly/cotton blends in Black with White on both sides. In this case I think a high solids wb with dye blocking abilities and low cure temp would rock it better than a plastisol. I dislike the hand and the scent of the Performance White and it's a b. to print so I'd be willing to work with something that was more finicky than regular wb.
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....... ...However, in regards to silicone printing with Nazdar we did a ton of testing with it and yes it was awesome stuff but we had to scrap it due to actually getting the ink itself. And getting it to adhere to certain substrates, namely Nomex. From my understanding though Nazdar sold the rights and will no longer be offering it. Has anyone else heard that?
Hello Brandon. Nazdar has NOT sold the rights to the silicone material. We are still under development (getting closer every day!) before we officially launch the product under our Nazdar SourceOne IMS label. The primary market for this material is polyester printing (replica football jerseys, performance wear, etc.) Please stay tuned! :)
Not intended as a sales pitch, but rather as distributing needed information -- in regards to High Solids Waterbase inks, SourceOne distributes the MagnaColour waterbase line which includes a high solids base. A key advantage is that one set of 12 Magnamix Pigment Concentrates can be used in any of the Magna bases -- discharge, high solids, specialties, ND extra for lights, etc. Again, please stay tuned for an official product launch! We do have inventory and are evaluating market needs. Please contact your local Nazdar SourceOne sales representative for more information! :)
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Rob,
thank you very much for the clarification and welcome to the forum! It is always good to see our friends from Nazdar join and participate. If you don't mind, would you post a few lines into the intro section so the members not reading this post know you've joined us and who you are?
On the other hand, congrats on joining Peter and the crew! Just like Nazdar, we look forward to having you with us.
pierre
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Thanks for the welcome Pierre and I will post in the intro section. Glad to be here!
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Who if anyone supplies SERICOL inks in the Southeast?
the atlanta rep is Marvin Foreman, you can get his info from the 800 number.
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We tested most of these inks and since we are in FL, it can test all the ability of a WB ink. So far, the best we have tried is the new Oasis from Wilflex. From what I was told, Magna use to make this for them and now they are making it in GA. Excellent screen stability performance and awesome feel on the shirts. Do I get the new ink from Nazdar? That part is not clear...
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....... ...However, in regards to silicone printing with Nazdar we did a ton of testing with it and yes it was awesome stuff but we had to scrap it due to actually getting the ink itself. And getting it to adhere to certain substrates, namely Nomex. From my understanding though Nazdar sold the rights and will no longer be offering it. Has anyone else heard that?
Hello Brandon. Nazdar has NOT sold the rights to the silicone material. We are still under development (getting closer every day!) before we officially launch the product under our Nazdar SourceOne IMS label. The primary market for this material is polyester printing (replica football jerseys, performance wear, etc.) Please stay tuned! :)
Not intended as a sales pitch, but rather as distributing needed information -- in regards to High Solids Waterbase inks, SourceOne distributes the MagnaColour waterbase line which includes a high solids base. A key advantage is that one set of 12 Magnamix Pigment Concentrates can be used in any of the Magna bases -- discharge, high solids, specialties, ND extra for lights, etc. Again, please stay tuned for an official product launch! We do have inventory and are evaluating market needs. Please contact your local Nazdar SourceOne sales representative for more information! :)
Hey Rob,
Awesome. Thank you for the info! I did like printing with the ink and the results we achieved. I was talking to another forum member and mentioned some info to him that was apparently not correct. I do not understand why a major ink rep would tell me that their company purchased the rights from Nazdar. Strange. So any more info on product launch date? Thanks!
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Hey Guys,
Just my opinion here but the stuff is really neat. Prints fine from what we have experienced. Granted we do not offer it now as we have more than enough inks with plastisol, water base, discharge, and others. We do not need another and we do not print for Nike. I did have the awesome opportunity to visit a very large shop recently and that is what they print around the clock. The numbers they do a week is staggering. Holy smokes. Tell you what though the prints are smooth and very nice. From my understanding this type of ink would be called "rubber base" in Europe because it does have that smooth, thin hand. Cool and it does have its place for certain designs/substrates but I prefer the water base / discharge "no hand" myself. However, in regards to silicone printing with Nazdar we did a ton of testing with it and yes it was awesome stuff but we had to scrap it due to actually getting the ink itself. And getting it to adhere to certain substrates, namely Nomex. From my understanding though Nazdar sold the rights and will no longer be offering it. Has anyone else heard that?
Brandon; Don't know where you heard about Nazdar moving away from our partnership with DOW on the Nazdar ImageStar Silicone inks. I'd like to set the record straight and confirm that “Nothing Could Be Further From The Truth.” Nazdar SourceOne is moving full speed ahead with product development and a market introduction of the Nazdar ImageStar IMS1500 Series Silicone Screen Printing inks.
Over the past several months the SourceOne and DOW Product Management and Development teams have completed a tremendous amount of work in the US and Central American markets working with major printers of performance and pro-sports replica sporting goods with great results. Meeting the requirements of these particular product specifies has required a series a modifications to the inks to achieve optimized printability and productivity in their high production environments.
The down side of this focus on a small number of high volume users has delayed a full market launch of the ImageStar Silicone inks to the US Specialty Sporting Goods Screen-Print market segment. On a positive note the product that we will bring to market performs even better than the earlier versions of the product that were extensively beta tested in these applications over the past twelve months. You can expect a full market roll-out of these products to be completed in the fourth quarter of this year.
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Hey Peter,
Thank you very much for the info. Again, I am very excited that these inks will see the light of day. I was disappointed when the rep from the other company told me that they purchased the rights and it was going to be another year or two. Thank you for clearing up the issue and have a great weekend!
- Brandon
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Nice to hear. When i had a nazdar rep at our shop, they didnt even know what i was talking about when i asked about this product.