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Computers and Software => Raster and Vector Manipulation Programs, and How to Do Stuff in Them. => Topic started by: Mark @ Hurricane Printing on May 24, 2012, 09:11:09 PM
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been trying to get this white glare in coreldraw x5. Still can't figure it out..I've attached the image so you can see what I'm, talking about. I have created the bevel and I can handle the gradient circle (i hope)....but the white highlight on the bevel is kicking my butt...how can this be done?
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That is a Bevel and Emboss effect in Illustrator, it should be something similar in Corel
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Something like this?
Or have I missed the objective?
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If that's in the direction you're trying to go, the circle "Blend" is done by drawing one circle of Dark Blue. Then put a really, really small circle of another color in the dead center of the Blue Circle. I used white which may be brighter than desired. Probably a more subdued near Light Blue perhaps for the center circle.
Then select both circles and use the "Blend" Docker, Steps, and and I used about 250 Steps and apply.
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The last Circle pic was done with a Blue for the Large and then a 20% of the same Blue for the tiny one in the middle that was then Blended.
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No, it's the bevel on the text itself that is giving him trouble
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Gilda Radner Nevermind (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3FnpaWQJO0#)
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He needs one of the "car" guys to weigh in to tell how they add those glare highlights to the chrome.
LeMorris, you around??
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what I would do is copy the text, turn the text black and into an RGB jpg with a transparent background. take it into photopaint and use the effects>texture>plastic and find the settings that work best. invert the image and use the curves to adjust the gray to white so that only your highlights are black. Bring it back into corel and up the dpi to 600 and then convert it to a black and white jpg with halftone settings, or you can use the Advanced Artist tool for making a monochrome bitmap
I hope this isn't confusing.
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Just make to bevels on the text, first one with the dark shadows break apart then do the second one with the light shadows and opposite direction. The you have to apply a transparency to the top one using the "add" layer property, I believe add or could be a different one just test different ones, then simply adjust the transperancy slider you should be able to get it. As I said before tho this process is horrible in Corel, then you wtill need to be able to print it.
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Go to your Gradient tool box in Illy and play around with your radial and then do a transparency of the blue color to get that nice glare on top of a base white. The transparency gives you a nicer fade and blend of color. I think everyone has covered you on how to do your text.
Darryl
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what I would do is copy the text, turn the text black and into an RGB jpg with a transparent background. take it into photopaint and use the effects>texture>plastic and find the settings that work best. invert the image and use the curves to adjust the gray to white so that only your highlights are black. Bring it back into corel and up the dpi to 600 and then convert it to a black and white jpg with halftone settings, or you can use the Advanced Artist tool for making a monochrome bitmap
I hope this isn't confusing.
totally confusing...im using X5...i saved it as a png becuase when i go to save it as a jpeg i dont get the option to have a transparent background.
also bring it back into coreal and making it a jpeg with halftones lost me also..its all very confusing.
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you don't need to save it, just convert it to an RGB bitmap in Corel, you can then click "edit bitmap" and it will take it into Photopaint for you to mess around with
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Mark can you detail exactly what the specs are you need.
What color shirt are you printing and what colors inks are you going to use.
With this info I think I can give you a much better solution to this.
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Mark can you detail exactly what the specs are you need.
What color shirt are you printing and what colors inks are you going to use.
With this info I think I can give you a much better solution to this.
Well I have it all recreated in corel EXCEPT the random white glare on the red beveled text. It is a contract job, 36 shirts. Dark Blue; Red; Ash. It goes on the back and left chest. THe guy that is mentoring me in my shop does my seps for me when they are involved. I got the image as a RGB. Looks like it was created in photoshop but all I have access to is my CorelDraw X5.
Anyway, he made real process seps off the image because he also had issues with the white glare and they needed the shirts quickly...time was running out so we did a real process sample and it came out horrible, so he tweaked the magenta and it made it look better, and also used some hand based in the black...it looks better than the first sample but I'm still not content with it....plus its going on an underbase for the dark blue and red shirts...and the sameple we did, its the bullet proof feeling going on.
I missed the deadline (thursday night..and everyone now is out of town for the holiday)....since i now have some breathing room time-wise I figured I would sit down, take a breath and try to get that white bevel glare situation down in corel since I have it all created with Pantone colors already and missing that one aspect of it. I figured if I threw it up in here someone may be able to point me in the right direction. I get that figured out I can then seperate it in corel and rock on.
There is one thing that I think can be done, which i have never done before, is knock out colors in the image that are the color of the shirt...for example for the red shirts, couldnt I just knock out all the 100% red in the image and let the shirt color be the red? it would be less of an underbase to apply...and same for the dark blue shirts...its really really dark blue, so I assume whatver dark blue in the image i could knock out also. Just an idea. Of course this would require more screens for underbases since a different set of screens will be required for each color but that underbase for the back logo is ONE BIG white cirlce and it will stick to your back in the summer bigtime..will be every uncomfortable.
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Here is two screen shots below.
I did it way over exaggerated for viewing benefits and I must add I hate this process in Corel but since you only have it here is how I figured out to do it, I am sure this cat could be skinned in many ways.
First I typed out TEXT colored it white on the blue back ground
Then in the bevel emboss I did the dark shadow
I then broke the bevel group apart, temporarily recolor the text to red making sure the bit map is still on top. Now apply a uniform transperancy to the shadow bitmap change the blending mode to overlay and lower the transperancy to nothing walla thats the dark part.
Again select the text recolor to white and then do the same bevel settings except this time change the direction opposite. Again break it apart color the text back to red then again do the same thing with the transperancy but this time change the blend mode to add.
As you can see in the second pic I am showing the three parts, now you can easily print how ever you decide to do these on press.
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/inkman996/text.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/inkman996/textsepped-1.jpg)
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thanks for all the insight everyone, but I cannot get it how they want it...I'm going to tell them to bring it somewhere else to someone with more experience...it's a contract job of 36 shirts...it's not a big job anyway and I'm spending entirely too much time on it to get their design how they want it. I'm limited in my art program experience and printing experience and my first print run came out horrible and I'm sure if I attempted it again it would be even worse.
You did post some pretty useful tips though which I do appreciate and maybe can use on another job one day.
Thanks again.
I do think they are using the wrong color shirts honestly and will tell them that. I know the customer wants what they want but in order to get the design on a dark blue shirt and a red shirt an underbase will be required and the CYMK sample i did on the dark blue had a lot of ink on it...underbase hit twice, blue hit twice..plus the other colors....and the back design is big as you can imagine. One big circle...in the summer time it will be EXTREMELY hot to wear and uncomfortable...it will stick to there workers back. Maybe they should just have the name without the big circle...I'll pass it by them when I tell them I'm going to have to pass on it. They need someone with an automatic to get it how they want it.
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a couple of things.
first off, it sounds like your underbase is the beginning of your too heavy ink deposit. You don't want it solid. One pass on a 160 or higher should suffice.
Is a ten screen set-up for only 36 shirts even practical? Along with charges for art creation/separation, this job must cost quite a bit.
Without additional nuisance charges built into pricing guidelines, many shops stick with a one screen per dozen model.
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I dont think the design warrants 4cp anyways this could easily be accomplished with a very light soft underbase using the underbase also as part of the tonal look and two or three colors over the top.
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As spots, I see a minimum of four;
ub, blue, red, and highlight white.
That outline can not be well served as a translucent white underbase.
Then, depending on what blues they require, it may be two different blue screens.
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had to turn away the job..I ruined 9 shirts in attempting to print last night....i'll just replace the shirts I ruined and give them back to the client and point them to someone with more experience and an automatic. Kinda bumbed too because I had to buy a sleeve pallet for the job, which this job would have paid for...but oh well..i'll have to wait on another job to pay for it....so thats 2 jobs in a row i crashed and burned on.
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man i wish i was this earlier, i could have banged this out easy for you in corel. never never never turn a print job away at the least sub it out. ;D
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Hate to say it but the money you lost could have paid for someone to sep it for printing, they also would have provided instructions on all the screens and colors etc.
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Mark, how long have you been printing that should have been simple job unlees you are a spot color printer which where the bread and butter of most printing is anyway. I agreed with the rest never turn down a job or except and tell the custy you can't do it afterwards just seems to business for ya, you how bad news travel LOL.
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well the customer is one of my very best friends...so its cool ....and I am a novice at CYMK...this was my first go at it....and I did send an email, phone call and text Dot Tone Dan BEFORE i started printing last night because i kind of knew where the job was headed...i sent him all the files and info. I am waiting for him to contact me..im sure he is swamped with work...my buddy is going to attempt to buy us some more time but I don't know if he can ....he wants me to do it and I want me to do it...its the time issue..the shirts are already 2 weeks late as it is (1 week being because of me trying to get it sep'ed & printed correctly..this was my second attempt at printing them....the first time around the magenta sep needed to be tweaked,,had to redo it)...its just all a cluster of screw ups. I figure If I get some more time I can pay Dan to sep for me and have perfect spot color or simulated seps which would make the job less of a pain in a$$ for me...CYMK for that image was a joke for someone like me with zero cymk experience! I did everything wrong...too much squegee pressure....wrong color order...underbase to thick....just one mishap after another....it got so bad i walked away from it with 2 shirts still onmy press with underbase only hahahah...i figured "whats the point?? im ruining every shirt as it is...why keep going...i need ot regroup OR pass on the job..and no time to regroup...they wanted the shirts 2 weeks ago"...with that thought i closed up my shop and went home...I was wasting time and money...i got to my shop 9:30....i left at midnight and i had 6 shirts printed and ruined and 2 with underbases....it was a horrible evening...the ONLY one that came out great was the sample shirt i did on one of my left over shirts from another job...came out excellent..i figured i was on my way to greatness....and i dont know what went wrong..they just started coming out horrible....then i began fighting it...then the frustration kicked in.
But i dont want my buddy to ruin his contact with the customer so I told him he needs to take it to someone that knows more about when they are doing and have them knock it out quickly...im costing him money and a possible client....so between the sleeve pallet i had to buy and the shirts i had to replace im in $200 hahahahaha.........breaks of the game sometimes.
if he calls back and says we have more time....then i'll gladly paying Dot Tone for the seps....take a deep breath and print them correctly.
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Hi Mark,
I have been busy and didn't read this one till today. I have not received a call, text or email from you. Apparently you are a new customer and I don't have your info in my contacts but still have not received anything from this email address. mherring27@cox.net (http://www.theshirtboard.com/index.php?action=emailuser;sa=email;uid=416)
My email address is dottonedan@cfl.rr.com My phone is 407-922-0664
Thanks
Dan
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Hi Mark,
I have been busy and didn't read this one till today. I have not received a call, text or email from you. Apparently you are a new customer and I don't have your info in my contacts but still have not received anything from this email address. mherring27@cox.net ([url]http://www.theshirtboard.com/index.php?action=emailuser;sa=email;uid=416[/url])
My email address is dottonedan@cfl.rr.com My phone is 407-922-0664
Thanks
Dan
yesterday evening at 6:30pm central time i called and left a message...then texted right after...and for email I sent you the message to your facebook address.......and i am right now looking at my cell phone log to make sure i got your number right and i see i put an extra "2" in the number (oops)...so you wouldnt have gotten my call or text.....but thats odd because it did go to a voicemail...thats weird....i dialed 40792220664
In any case you should have the facebook email.
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just to chime in, the customer would be paying a fortune to get just 36, both sides, and it's still not really worth it. For that few, I'd see about DTG. I think AIR Conway would be around $3.50 or so per side, no screens. Here, we get 1 dozen per color per location for contract work, so at least 8 dozen. Under that, and it's $0.50 per color extra, or $4.00 per shirt on top of the 36 pricing. Don't work all night for nothing.
Steve