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screen printing => Separations => Topic started by: Gilligan on April 18, 2012, 10:52:29 PM
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The print is 10" wide by 3.25" tall.
I'm thinking I could either half tone the underbase a bit OR just full on the red and let the grey stand on it's own.
Maybe go with a "lighter" shade of grey and let the shirt darken it?
I'm deferring to you guys because I have ZERO experience with this sort of thing.
Hell, I haven't had a flash hooked up since I got my dryer! Before that I only did one PFP job and it was just white on black.
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You could do this a couple of ways. On the manual PFP white, then gray and red wet on wet using the that way it's only twice around. Depending on the gray I would. Of even base it.
Second you could print white, flash, gray, red, highlight white and only go around once. This is what I would do if it were me. On e around and done in half the time.
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My issue is two large jobs for this client and not enough screens with the correct tension.
I have 5 20x24 screens at 16n and 2 at 12n and then I have 1 21x31 at 16n and 2 at 12n.
I have this job and another 3 color job that needs to hold decent registration. So I'm trying to jam the grey on this one with another image from the other shirt which would keep the 16n 20x24 for the multi-color jobs and then I can put all the single color stuff (both backs are just white) and the booty shorts/thongs (I probably could put those together on a single screen)... so I'll have a couple of 12n screens left over but I don't think I should mix one of those in with the 16n's. *shrug*
This all needs to be printed tomorrow if possible as it is for a big "4/20" celebration. Granted, I can deliver SOME during the day if I have to... not like the "4/20" crowd is known to be early risers. ;)
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could do:
gray underbase
red
white high light
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Would one print of the grey be enough?
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could do:
gray underbase
red
white high light
IMO that's how I would do it. One good hit of light grey flash then the rest. Even if you have to mix a little black with some good white to make a good base.
Don't get caught up in screen tension, its important but not the only thing to consider. Look at your mesh size and how you actually print. I think you would be surprised what you can print with soft screens. Run the whole thing with low mesh counts around 110 and concentrate on how you flood and print with the squeegee. Try different angles to get the job done. I have a bunch of screens that actually sag from the weight of the emulsion and ink but still use on occasion on the manual.
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buy more screens.
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*Note *Homer was somewhat more succinct in the same message I was trying to make, and get it out there while I was trying to sound clever.
On a related note, get a couple dozen more screens into your rotation.
This is screen printing, after all.
Tension meters are slick, and often invaluable, but they don't get that image on the shirt like an old funky screen does. If, in fact, you have a bunch of screens deemed unusable, have 'em re-stretched. If you are going the roller only route, bite the bullet and buy enough to get you through those times when you have four five screen jobs at once.
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white(underbase the red only)-156m
flash
same
flash
red-230m
grey-110m (no base)
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*Note *Homer was somewhat more succinct in the same message I was trying to make, and get it out there while I was trying to sound clever.
On a related note, get a couple dozen more screens into your rotation.
This is screen printing, after all.
Tension meters are slick, and often invaluable, but they don't get that image on the shirt like an old funky screen does. If, in fact, you have a bunch of screens deemed unusable, have 'em re-stretched. If you are going the roller only route, bite the bullet and buy enough to get you through those times when you have four five screen jobs at once.
Like about 60?
Got it!
Time and room to learn how to stretch them?
Working on it, but jobs have to be printed first.
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...Even if you have to mix a little black with some good white to make a good base.
Is there anything wrong with doing that to make grey in general?
That was what I was planning on doing for grey all the time... was I informed incorrectly?
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There are grays, and there are grays (and don't even get me going on "greys")
Sure, white and black will get a gray, but most grays have a lot more going for them.
When I ran a die stamping press (engraving), I used at least a half dozen different grays on business cards. My foreman showed me the trick of scraping an ink sample on a piece of paper or card stock to really see what was in it. As the deposit got really thin, the reddish or greenish components appeared.
Grays were actually quite complex.
So, if they don't have a name brand gray in mind to start with, show your client your repeatable home recipe gray(s) and leave it up to them.
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forget newtons, focus on getting a jump off the shirt print
if you are a manual shop you can be more creative
is not rocket science, is what looks good
making that first impression to your client is what counts
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I also have to ask the question "these are due tomorrow and you are just now dealing with this?".... :o
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*Note *Homer was somewhat more succinct in the same message I was trying to make, and get it out there while I was trying to sound clever.
On a related note, get a couple dozen more screens into your rotation.
This is screen printing, after all.
Tension meters are slick, and often invaluable, but they don't get that image on the shirt like an old funky screen does. If, in fact, you have a bunch of screens deemed unusable, have 'em re-stretched. If you are going the roller only route, bite the bullet and buy enough to get you through those times when you have four five screen jobs at once.
Like about 60?
Got it!
Time and room to learn how to stretch them?
Working on it, but jobs have to be printed first.
I have nothing against re-tensionable screens and the folks, especially newbies, who want to use them as the "state of the art" critters they are, but I also see some folks a little like the high school kid, with a really cool car, that is always up on blocks awaiting some trick rear end, or a special grind cam, while the girl of his dreams is going out with the guy who can actually pick her up and drive somewhere in his running Camry.
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... but I also see some folks a little like the high school kid, with a really cool car, that is always up on blocks awaiting some trick rear end, or a special grind cam, while the girl of his dreams is going out with the guy who can actually pick her up and drive somewhere in his running Camry.
What century are you living in?! :p
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I also have to ask the question "these are due tomorrow and you are just now dealing with this?".... :o
About to run films now.
The quickly approaching deadline isn't really my deal... he came to me late last week and asked for these... then as most clients took FOREVER to get me the artwork... oh, and when he did it was a 30k jpg! Yay! His first job he gave me was a very nice separated PDF that dropped into illustrator nicely... so I was really expecting the same again or I had just had the wife knock it out from jump street, we have on of their old shirts right here.
Their previous company was screwing them on their deadline so they canceled the order (thankfully it was a web company and not a local printer as I'd hate to "steal" from someone I might know and respect).
So, I'll be printing all day and probably most of the night then maybe even some in the morning. This job is 150 pcs and they are right next door to me and open at 10... I should be able to knock that out easy enough tonight. Job 2 is his bar that doesn't open till 3pm so I have a few more hours to finish that job up and even still could get him what I have and he will be more than happy.
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... but I also see some folks a little like the high school kid, with a really cool car, that is always up on blocks awaiting some trick rear end, or a special grind cam, while the girl of his dreams is going out with the guy who can actually pick her up and drive somewhere in his running Camry.
What century are you living in?! :p
Is it the rear end that throws you? There are plenty of rear drive cars out there both new and old.
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Like the one that I OWN!? :p
That was my number one requirement when I bought my first car. ;)
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Just to derail the thread because that's what I like to do, I'm debating on getting an Astro cargo van and wrapping it or a Dodge Magnum station wagon with a hemi just because.
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LOL... I own a Nissan Quest (minivan) and yet I cringed when you said "Astro van".
Magnum is ok, but there are so many better cars out there. There is always the little square cars, good gas mileage and good for wrapping... I had an XB that I was gonna do that with till I plowed into the back of an old lady. :D
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Im old school though. The Quest is actually a nice van. I like Nissan styling, I have an 08 Maxima.
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Only thing I wish I would have in it (we have the mode just below the top dog) is the sky roof for the baby, though now she's old enough to see a bit around her car seat (she's still rear facing). But most of all... Memory seat positions, coded to your keyfobs.... oh how I wish I had that.
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Any car I have ever owned and I have owned almost 30 of them, seat position is all the way back and reclined about 45 degrees.
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Mine aren't too far off... well, maybe not the recline part... I ain't got that gangsta lean down yet. ;)
That reminds me of a dude that used to have his seat laid back to be "cool" back in HS... but when he got in it and drove he would sit upright. LOL
In my Miata I have to pull the seat up a bit then lean the seat back one click further then it will go when all the way back then JAM it back into the furthest position so I can get the most room possible. Then I pull the sun visors out because they "crowd my view and make me feel closed in". But I LOVE that car!
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I have never been a small car guy. My absolute favorite cars out of the 30 I have owned would be the 5 Cadillac Coupe Devilles, 77,78,two 79s and an 81. I would love to have any of those back.
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I've always been a small car guy....1962 MG midget...with a british flag hard top.
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Great car... the miata is just a working version of that. ;)
Hey, I just took 2 hours to burn 9 screens... how's that "new" unit you got coming along? ;)
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Actually, I'd say that the Miata (now just MX-5) is much more akin to the MGB
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Post 2001 just aint a Miata any more... ok, I just don't like variable valve timing... but seriously I saw one the other day with a motorized hard top!! WTF?! I thought they kept the rag top manual to save weight... now they have a collapsible motorized hard top?! Ugh.
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It's what I drive. Knowing that you don't like it makes it that much sweeter. ;D
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Another im interested in is the Chevy HHR Panel, good avertising space on that one, but I am leery of chevy 4 cylinders.
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I also have to ask the question "these are due tomorrow and you are just now dealing with this?".... :o
About to run films now.
The quickly approaching deadline isn't really my deal... he came to me late last week and asked for these... then as most clients took FOREVER to get me the artwork..
Heres where You need to change your thinking. This is your deal. You will be printing late because of you not the customer.
You cannot plan your schedule around waiting for customers that have not given you what you require up front. With us if you dont have a deposit/ PO and art submitted your production clock has not started ticking. They are warned up front and several times throughout the ordering process. We are very clear with this. If they say they want something on the 20th and I get art on the 18th that job just cost them more money.
Create a order form that states this and have them sign it. If they fight you on this you are better off if they walk.
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Yes, the Miata is a newer version of the MGB, I think it was GA Tech students that designed it as a project and pitched to ford, who turned it down, and Mazda picked it up.
The Midget is closer to a go-cart. As a matter of fact, they named it Midget because go-cart was already taken. So maybe I made that part up.
But the Midget does pre-date the B, in it's original form it was the Bugeye Sprite. Almost no difference in that car to the Midget, the frame is nearly identical, the engine and transmission were the same for the first few years of the Midget.
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When it lost it's bugeyes, and was re-badged MG, we referred to both of them as "Spridgets"
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yup, and actually the MG's were the nicer trimmed version of the sprite.
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Another im interested in is the Chevy HHR Panel, good avertising space on that one, but I am leery of chevy 4 cylinders.
How about a Ford Transit Van? Ford's four cylinder engines are pretty proven, and the shape of this little truck looks pretty good to wrap.
Big difference from your gangster Magnum Hemi, but probably a better(at least more practical) choice than the HHR
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Another im interested in is the Chevy HHR Panel, good avertising space on that one, but I am leery of chevy 4 cylinders.
How about a Ford Transit Van? Ford's four cylinder engines are pretty proven, and the shape of this little truck looks pretty good to wrap.
Big difference from your gangster Magnum Hemi, but probably a better(at least more practical) choice than the HHR
My wife really digs those and for practicality is probably the better choice. But I never think practical when it comes to cars, I think of the 'cool' factor, lol.
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Heres where You need to change your thinking. This is your deal. You will be printing late because of you not the customer.
You cannot plan your schedule around waiting for customers that have not given you what you require up front. With us if you dont have a deposit/ PO and art submitted your production clock has not started ticking. They are warned up front and several times throughout the ordering process. We are very clear with this. If they say they want something on the 20th and I get art on the 18th that job just cost them more money.
Create a order form that states this and have them sign it. If they fight you on this you are better off if they walk.
You are absolutely right J... I shouldn't try to pass the blame on to the customer. I took the job, it's on me. Thanks for keeping me in check there.
The reason I took the job as is, is because he is literally my neighbor in business... one of his shops is next door. So, I gain his business as we as help him out of a bind.
Granted, it whooped my a$$... well, Murphy's law helped a LOT in that.
More details to come... back to printing now!
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Heres where You need to change your thinking. This is your deal. You will be printing late because of you not the customer.
You cannot plan your schedule around waiting for customers that have not given you what you require up front. With us if you dont have a deposit/ PO and art submitted your production clock has not started ticking. They are warned up front and several times throughout the ordering process. We are very clear with this. If they say they want something on the 20th and I get art on the 18th that job just cost them more money.
Create a order form that states this and have them sign it. If they fight you on this you are better off if they walk.
You are absolutely right J... I shouldn't try to pass the blame on to the customer. I took the job, it's on me. Thanks for keeping me in check there.
The reason I took the job as is, is because he is literally my neighbor in business... one of his shops is next door. So, I gain his business as we as help him out of a bind.
Granted, it whooped my a$$... well, Murphy's law helped a LOT in that.
More details to come... back to printing now!
PICS?
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Pics? Lol
ZERO time for pics.
I had to outsource the 250 pcs job today... I got raped on the price, but it is what it is. And it is done!
Oh I'm so tired.
I got blisters on me fingers!
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Wuss! Lol. How long did it take you?
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The outsourcing... that didn't take that long at all... about 30 mins on the phone, 15 min drive there, then 20 min drive to pick them up (5 o'clock traffic). :p
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