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General => Industry News/ Announcements/Press Releases/Product Promotion => Topic started by: crgauction on March 27, 2012, 01:25:20 PM
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Tee's Plus - Custom Textile Printing and Embroidery Mfg.
Sale Date: Tuesday, April 3rd at 10:00 AM - Groton, CT
Inspection: Monday, April 2nd from 9:00 AM - 4:00 PM
Highlights Include:
Silk Screening Equipment
Textile Printing and Press Equipment
Embroidery Machines
Dryers
Rolling Stock
Forklifts and Delivery Trucks
Pallet Racking and Shelving
Air Compressors
Plant Support and Maintenance Equipment
Unprinted Apparel Inventory
Office Furniture & Fixtures
Intangibles will also be sold including domain names, phone numbers, trade names, brand and service marks, customer lists, and url.
http://www.crgauction.com/auctions/tees_plus/details.php (http://www.crgauction.com/auctions/tees_plus/details.php)
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I think you'll find most folks here and elsewhere will avoid this like the plague due to a specific party involved.
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My opinion is cut this thread it is Barnes posting this.
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actually, we are thinking this would be a good place to post what ppl think of the "advisor" CRG Auction hired. . . No bashing please, just the facts if you have any or your willingness or unwillingness to deal with the company due to the party involved.
pierre
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Are we talking about "the-one-and-only" "Google-is-his-Mother""the-one-that-should-not-be-named""web-making" person?
If it is, let me put the CGRauction web site in blocked ones :)
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Not that I have time to go, but that would be a huge "Oh, WTF..." when I got there, enough to make me leave PO'd
Steve
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I know I was strongly considering going, but after reading who was the tech...NOPE not going to happen....
sam
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I wouldn't touch it.
Tainted goods to say the least after he gets his hands on them. I've met the guy and HIS hype of meeting him and seeing a different person in person did not live up to his word (whoda thunk it!)
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I think we get the picture. This thread, if continued, can only deter more positive and informative ones. I'd take it down
tp
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This is a train wreck ready to happen. More drama, more lies, more thievery. I feel bad for Tees plus they made this choice.
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I'd assume it was the auction company that made the choice.
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If so I stand corrected. Anyway you cut it it stinks to all high he11.
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I like the man. he has never once been negative about anyone to me. thats what i'm rolling on. personal experience. besides we all have issues and people change ..just my .01
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I think Tony's right on. My only interaction with the guy had to do with threadjacking and spamming on another forum. Not the best way to make a first impression... but a good way to make sure it's his last.
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I think we get the picture. This thread, if continued, can only deter more positive and informative ones. I'd take it down
tp
tony,
we normally take these posts down, but as a consequence there is very little info on Barnes on the web and ppl like CRG end up hiring him. I would like to leave it up as a testimony to the general sentiment of the screenprinting community.
Does that make any sense?
pierre
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Pierre, it does...you are right...if people do not want to do business with someone or because someone comes along with the deal it is important to know how people feel...Maybe the auction company doesn't know...just like my first press...maybe I should have ( ok we all know I should have) done more research...but I didnt and because they had a great web presence doesn't mean they were good...
so keep it alive so people can see what the industry feels about him..
sam
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I think we get the picture. This thread, if continued, can only deter more positive and informative ones. I'd take it down
tp
tony,
we normally take these posts down, but as a consequence there is very little info on asdf on the web and ppl like CRG end up hiring him. I would like to leave it up as a testimony to the general sentiment of the screenprinting community.
Does that make any sense?
pierre
Your call of course. . . I guess thats a valid point.
EDIT: to move the text from inside the quote.
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As long as no one tries to turn this actual CIS (Critical Information Site) into the DigitSmith Lounge! :o
When we started, a year ago, we were ridiculously up front about where we stood on this man. (Some of you may remember our inaugural name)
I made it abundantly clear in a policy statement that we would not allow any posts that may further his agenda or profits. I also warned about piling on and playing his game with constant attacks that still keep his name and business interests in the forefront. This was not to become a bash board either.
We've been able to stick with this policy with only a few hiccups.
Even one member who got a press from him that does not print close to the advertised size showed admirable restraint here, respecting our policy.
Likewise, neither of the (at least) two buyers who never received product after paying deposits have tainted our hallowed halls with their misery. Thank you.
So now, it comes up again. Some saying that CRG auctions' posts should be taken down. Some saying that it may not even be CRG who signed up. And at least one voice that sticks up for him because he wasn't personalty cheated, insulted, or even lost any business due to the purposeful demolition of TSPMB by the aforementioned, whether in the pay of another rascal, or on his own. And my own partner even lowering our filters.
So as long as potential customers of CRG, and CRG themselves know that this particular guy is less than honorable in the eyes of many, it may be good that this subject popped up.
This is way more on this dreaded subject than I ever expected to post, and I almost hope that the thread does get tossed, but we will see where it goes for the time-being.
Please show a little class, and help keep this place special, and Play Nice.
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Frog, I agree with all you have said, and I don't feel that this site will become the Lounge on DS. However with that said, when you have an abuntant amount of information about a particular person or group of people who are doing harm to our industry and its members, then I think it would be the responsible thing to do to let people know what that entity has done to wrong them. As you know this isn't a one or two time offender. Helping out people in our industry is what this forum is about and I don't see this issue being any different than someone posting about their good or bad experience they had with an particular ink or screens, for example. I would hope you consider to keep this post on record and not delete it for the good of all in our idustry.
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I know the guy better than most, and like someone mentioned above that he had always treated them with the proper respect, he did me also. But just because he treated me right, doesn't make it ok for him to do what he's done to others in the industry I also happen to like and respect. True, he wanted something from me and went out of his way to treat me the right way, and he's probably done the same thing to hundreds of others, but you simply cannot overlook what has taken place at his feet the last few years. Just the 2 press deal in cali is enough, then you add in Jeff in Iowa, one of our own here in Inkman, and not to mention the ones we know nothing about, trust me there's more. He cares nothing about the industry, only doing harm to his competition and lining his pockets with cashola. You can be one of the lucky ones who gets taken care of or you can be Hirsch, USScreen, M&R, Lowery, Planet B, Progressive, Elexon, Printex, Chinese knockoff, Rhino, RPM, Mustang, etc. If you're in business long enough and do enough, sure you'll have your share of stinkers, but this guys track record from the day he was hired at Elexon (his printshop before that burned down...hmmm, might as well add that into the mix) has been marred by failure, deception, hate, spite, revenge, narcasism, the list goes on and on.
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I will say anyone up in my neck of the woods interested in this equipment should check it out, Tee's Plus was a great company with great work ethic. Their equipment is surely good stuff. The owner here Dan is personal friends with those guys and he was shocked to find out what happened but they had some hard times in the past.
As for he that will not be named well since he is only a consultant and tech there is a good chance he can't screw anything up since it is not his actual equipment to sell. We are are even considering going to the auction for sundries and what not.
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I agree, i don't think you have to use him to install anything. So what if he gets some money out of it. I doubt he went in and sabotaged the equipment. He will probably try and sell you a Mustang or something while he is at it.
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As long as no one tries to turn this actual CIS (Critical Information Site) into the DigitSmith Lounge! :o
If you need me, let me know. ;)
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As long as no one tries to turn this actual CIS (Critical Information Site) into the DigitSmith Lounge! :o
If you need me, let me know. ;)
Oh, don't worry. If I ever need you, I will let you know. ;D
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Hello everybody. I am the representative from CRG Auction that posted this thread yesterday. We would like to make it clear that we hired a company to act as a technical consultant only, and that said company has no vested interest or financial gain from the proceeds of the auction. We were quite surprised to see the negative replies on this thread which is why I am posting now to clear things up. We have been hired to conduct a secured party sale of the assets located at Tee's Plus in Groton, CT on Tuesday. If anybody has any further questions, please feel free to contact either Marion or Gary at 860-623-9060.
Thank You.
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Lie with dogs, get fleas.
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Hello everybody. I am the representative from CRG Auction that posted this thread yesterday. We would like to make it clear that we hired a company to act as a technical consultant only, and that said company has no vested interest or financial gain from the proceeds of the auction. We were quite surprised to see the negative replies on this thread which is why I am posting now to clear things up. We have been hired to conduct a secured party sale of the assets located at Tee's Plus in Groton, CT on Tuesday. If anybody has any further questions, please feel free to contact either Marion or Gary at 860-623-9060.
Thank You.
Are you an employee of crg or someone else?
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Hello everybody. I am the representative from CRG Auction that posted this thread yesterday. We would like to make it clear that we hired a company to act as a technical consultant only, and that said company has no vested interest or financial gain from the proceeds of the auction. We were quite surprised to see the negative replies on this thread which is why I am posting now to clear things up. We have been hired to conduct a secured party sale of the assets located at Tee's Plus in Groton, CT on Tuesday. If anybody has any further questions, please feel free to contact either Marion or Gary at 860-623-9060.
Thank You.
Its pretty clear you did not do your homework before choosing this "technical consultant"! Good luck with that!!
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Hello everybody. I am the representative from CRG Auction that posted this thread yesterday. We would like to make it clear that we hired a company to act as a technical consultant only, and that said company has no vested interest or financial gain from the proceeds of the auction. We were quite surprised to see the negative replies on this thread which is why I am posting now to clear things up. We have been hired to conduct a secured party sale of the assets located at Tee's Plus in Groton, CT on Tuesday. If anybody has any further questions, please feel free to contact either Marion or Gary at 860-623-9060.
Thank You.
Its pretty clear you did not do your homework before choosing this "technical consultant"! Good luck with that!!
Pretty easy homework. All you have to do "google" a name.
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I like how he said no financial gain...yeah maybe off of the auction, but what are you paying him to be there? again...due diligence was not done here if you ask me...
One easy google search and you would see what this company and person are like.
just my .00002 cents
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Seems like a poor choice to hire anyone other than the company that manufacturers and services the equipment. Come on who is going to be more familiar than the regions M&R tech or installer.
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I'm sorry that I was not clear by saying that I was a CRG Auction representative...I am an employee of CRG Auction. I am the marketing director here and I will reiterate that we used the company as a technical consultant only, no financial gain or service on the machines involved...only for information. Thank you.
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It's interesting. The technical advisor has been removed from the website listing. It all very interesting seeing the different reactions and interactions on this board as opposed to the other one I found before finding this one. Needless to say this board doesn't stress me out or make me feel slightly dirty after scanning the new posts for the day.
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It's like having a butcher that has dirty hands and no gloves and a bad case of dandruff... do you really want that guy handing you that beautiful fillet?
I know I wouldn't go to that butcher shop!
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We have removed the technical consultant from our website because we do not want to give the false impression that he will benefit from the proceeds of the auction. Our goal at the end of the day is to do Tee's Plus right and make the most money for the bank and for the assets that we are selling at the auction. The technical consultant decidated some of his time to assisting us with technical information when we were hired to do the appraisal of the Tee's Plus assets, even before we knew it would end up at auction. Because most of the negative press has been removed from the web, it would have been very hard for us to find out about lawsuits and any other damage this forum is claiming transpired in the past. That being said, a respected company in the industry referred the consultant to us, and again, they only provided technical information. CRG Auction is conducting a public auction of the assets on Tuesday, and should you decide to bid onsite or online, you will be dealing directly with our auction company and nobody else. Thank you.
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We have removed the technical consultant from our website because we do not want to give the false impression that he will benefit from the proceeds of the auction. Our goal at the end of the day is to do Tee's Plus right and make the most money for the bank and for the assets that we are selling at the auction. The technical consultant decidated some of his time to assisting us with technical information when we were hired to do the appraisal of the Tee's Plus assets, even before we knew it would end up at auction. Because most of the negative press has been removed from the web, it would have been very hard for us to find out about lawsuits and any other damage this forum is claiming transpired in the past. That being said, a respected company in the industry referred the consultant to us, and again, they only provided technical information. CRG Auction is conducting a public auction of the assets on Tuesday, and should you decide to bid onsite or online, you will be dealing directly with our auction company and nobody else. Thank you.
You know the difference now and are doing nothing about it, so that makes your company look bad! You still have time to fire them and get somebody reputable! I would urge you to do the right thing.
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We have removed the technical consultant from our website because we do not want to give the false impression that he will benefit from the proceeds of the auction. Our goal at the end of the day is to do Tee's Plus right and make the most money for the bank and for the assets that we are selling at the auction. The technical consultant decidated some of his time to assisting us with technical information when we were hired to do the appraisal of the Tee's Plus assets, even before we knew it would end up at auction. Because most of the negative press has been removed from the web, it would have been very hard for us to find out about lawsuits and any other damage this forum is claiming transpired in the past. That being said, a respected company in the industry referred the consultant to us, and again, they only provided technical information. CRG Auction is conducting a public auction of the assets on Tuesday, and should you decide to bid onsite or online, you will be dealing directly with our auction company and nobody else. Thank you.
I am going to go on a limb here and say that after a conversation with CRG this morning I believe them and see their point. This might be a good time to show that we are better than others and offer a second chance. Not to Barnes, but to CRG. We all make mistakes, and I can see their point. Somebody from the industry suggested they talk to Barnes and they followed the advice. We all know how a lot of the info on his shenanigans has been removed from the internet and is hard to find;especially when you don't know where to look.
My thinking (and I don't know if my partners here followed it/agreed with it or not), was purely to make this kind of information available to the public as it was purged from many sites and it is hard to find the general industry sentiment by somebody just getting into the business or an outsider like CRG.
pierre
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i agree with pierre. Most of the stuff on the "internets" is gone. They would have no idea what his history is and he does talk a good game.
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Pierre, thank you so much for the phone call this morning and for backing us up on your forum. It is greatly appreciated, and again, I hope we have cleared things up for your members/readers. And thank you, MK162 as well :).
Thank you,
Marion.
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Pierre, thank you so much for the phone call this morning and for backing us up on your forum. It is greatly appreciated, and again, I hope we have cleared things up for your members/readers. And thank you, MK162 as well :).
Thank you,
Marion.
That may sound good and all, but they are using bad judgement and it will cost people staying away!! I would tell people not to go to this auction and not buy this equipment and would wonder if M&R would even service this stuff after ksdk has his paws on it!
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Marion i am but a few minutes away from Groton tho we are not interested in any capitol equipment we are trying to decide if we should go and see what they have for supplies and extras. Is this info going to be available online or is the only way to find out is to show up? To be honest because of the tech you hired my boss does not want to actually go he has no desire to cross paths with that person. Me personally I may go but I am so busy I hate to go and waste my time.
Also is anyone in my area going? If so we could hook up for the fun.
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Third google search result for "R_____ B_____ Screen Printing" is from DS saying "Buyer beware..."
Doesn't take much.
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Marion i am but a few minutes away from Groton tho we are not interested in any capitol equipment we are trying to decide if we should go and see what they have for supplies and extras. Is this info going to be available online or is the only way to find out is to show up? To be honest because of the tech you hired my boss does not want to actually go he has no desire to cross paths with that person. Me personally I may go but I am so busy I hate to go and waste my time.
Also is anyone in my area going? If so we could hook up for the fun.
Here is the direct link to the catalog...if you cannot make it in person, then you can register from the same link through Bidspotter:
http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/imagegallery.php?gallery=17153 (http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/imagegallery.php?gallery=17153)
But if you are only a few minutes away, I would highly recommend going to the auction in person, that is always best.
I am sorry that your boss feels the way that he does, but I would like you to know that the technical consulting was done over the phone and not at the plant. Only our staff (from CRG) has been to Tee's Plus to set up, lot, tag, photograph, etc. the equipment. I would try to change your boss's mind as you could get a fantastic deal by purchasing at an auction. There is a lot of inventory there if you are not interested in the equipment.
Again, feel free to contact me directly with any further questions, either on this forum, or by phone: 860-623-9060. We appreciate your business.
Thank you,
Marion.
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Pierre, thank you so much for the phone call this morning and for backing us up on your forum. It is greatly appreciated, and again, I hope we have cleared things up for your members/readers. And thank you, MK162 as well :).
Thank you,
Marion.
That may sound good and all, but they are using bad judgement and it will cost people staying away!! I would tell people not to go to this auction and not buy this equipment and would wonder if M&R would even service this stuff after ksdk has his paws on it! No we will not be associated with anything Barnes is involved in.
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You should take a good look at Spiderpromo.com and see if he is not associated with anything but over the phone. Like usual he makes it look like he is the one pushing the product and places it on his site to attract attention.
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Pierre, thank you so much for the phone call this morning and for backing us up on your forum. It is greatly appreciated, and again, I hope we have cleared things up for your members/readers. And thank you, MK162 as well :).
Thank you,
Marion.
That may sound good and all, but they are using bad judgement and it will cost people staying away!! I would tell people not to go to this auction and not buy this equipment and would wonder if M&R would even service this stuff after ksdk has his paws on it!
No we will not have ANYTHING to do with product he has ANYTHING to do with!!!!!
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Sorry Rich, I have respect for you, but that is classless. I can understand not offering warranty work on a press a non-approved tech has worked on, but if you are refusing to help a future owner of an M&R press because asdf did the teardown and maybe the install, that isn't the level of service I would expect from M&R.
Let me rephrase, if asdf installed a press, would you send a tech in behind him, at the customers request to fix the install...for normal repair rates?
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Sorry Rich, I have respect for you, but that is classless. I can understand not offering warranty work on a press a non-approved tech has worked on, but if you are refusing to help a future owner of an M&R press because asdf did the teardown and maybe the install, that isn't the level of service I would expect from M&R.
Let me rephrase, if asdf installed a press, would you send a tech in behind him, at the customers request to fix the install...for normal repair rates?
This has nothing to do with class. Here is the real scenerio of what happens. Our guru here installs a press that is purchased at an auction or anywhere else and gets paid for the installation. After the install the customer has a problem with the press for bad install or whatever reason. The customer tries to call the Guru but he is too busy ripping someone else off to take the call so the customer calls M&R for free phone support. Are we as a company that received no payment for the install, have no idea what aftermarket parts are put in the machine supposed to do this for free? Another scenario is the press is installed improperly and the safety systems were not properly put in place during the install which causes someone to become injured. Are we supposed to now repair that press over the phone not knowing what was or was not done and put the liability on our company. I would say no! Of course any customer can call M&R and have a M&R product installed or repaired for a price but any piece of equipment installed or serviced by our local Guru will NOT receive receive any technical support for free over the phone by this company. I hope that clarifies our stance! As you can tell when we helped a Printex customer with a lift noise problem as a courtesy it was immediatly turned into we were servicing and supporting the crap by the Guru. There would be no doubt of him telling the customer anything they want to hear to make a buck. Any problems call M&R they will help you out. NOT!
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I understand that entirely, your original post made it seems as though any press touched by him would never again see an M&R tech.
To be honest, I can 100% understand not giving free tech support to any press that is on it's second owner...unless it was refurbished by M&R. There is no way to tell where it's been and who had their hands on it.
Thanks for clarifying.
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Sorry Rich, I have respect for you, but that is classless. I can understand not offering warranty work on a press a non-approved tech has worked on, but if you are refusing to help a future owner of an M&R press because asdf did the teardown and maybe the install, that isn't the level of service I would expect from M&R.
Let me rephrase, if asdf installed a press, would you send a tech in behind him, at the customers request to fix the install...for normal repair rates?
This has nothing to do with class. Here is the real scenerio of what happens. Our guru here installs a press that is purchased at an auction or anywhere else and gets paid for the installation. After the install the customer has a problem with the press for bad install or whatever reason. The customer tries to call the Guru but he is too busy ripping someone else off to take the call so the customer calls M&R for free phone support. Are we as a company that received no payment for the install, have no idea what aftermarket parts are put in the machine supposed to do this for free? Another scenario is the press is installed improperly and the safety systems were not properly put in place during the install which causes someone to become injured. Are we supposed to now repair that press over the phone not knowing what was or was not done and put the liability on our company. I would say no! Of course any customer can call M&R and have a M&R product installed or repaired for a price but any piece of equipment installed or serviced by our local Guru will NOT receive receive any technical support for free over the phone by this company. I hope that clarifies our stance! As you can tell when we helped a asdfx customer with a lift noise problem as a courtesy it was immediatly turned into we were servicing and supporting the crap by the Guru. There would be no doubt of him telling the customer anything they want to hear to make a buck. Any problems call M&R they will help you out. NOT!
I will reiterate once again that the company has NOT been hired by us to take down the machines or re-install them for our auction customers. We have another machinery rigger listed on our website who has been on there for the past month. Buyers can contract their own rigger/installer as long as we have the proper insurance paperwork in our office. I hope this clears things up.
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You should take a good look at Spiderpromo.com and see if he is not associated with anything but over the phone. Like usual he makes it look like he is the one pushing the product and places it on his site to attract attention.
crgauction, did you see this ^^?
That site looks a little dubious at best! Looks like it's one of those stinks that you just can't wash off.
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A small circle gets bigger
Darryl
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WOW...Crazyland
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The buyers premium is at 15%. That seems high, I would think it would be more like 5. Is 15 the norm for auctions like this?
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The buyers premium is at 15%. That seems high, I would think it would be more like 5. Is 15 the norm for auctions like this?
Yes, for industrial auctions, the industry standard buyer's premium is anywhere from 12% - 18%. Our company typically charges 12.5% Buyer's Premium for Onsite buyers and 15% for Internet buyers.
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The main thing I get from the nucleus of this dust up is that of an untrustworthy, uncertified press tech, currently associated with the auction of equipment at a giant screen print shop that has gone belly up, who has also maintained said equipment over time at this shop, is not any good at his craft but continues to dupe business owners of their hard earned dough and mislead several other innocent screen printers who purchased misrepresented presses from this guy over the years.
We have a word for that type of behavior in the vintage muscle car hobby - Fraud. Whenever a certain individual who's just in it for the bucks, is repeatedly caught ripping off customers by misrepresenting cars or parts as not what they really are, or worse yet, swapping vin numbers, we call him/her out and pass it on to the community so that no one else gets taken advantage of. Sometimes it eventually becomes a legal matter that culminates in felony charges being levied. Adios stain.
Why is this tech still in business?
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Let me tell you guys a little something about the GURU and his installations...they aren't done correctly and will decrease the life of the press so I don't blaim M&R for not wanting to touch the machine after he's touched it. You know how he used to go into shops and claim that the technician that installed an auto did a poor job? Well, maybe they did, probably didn't, but either way, the press was in worse shape after the guru left than it was before hand. If the press was so poorly manufactured that it needs shims under the print arms then you need to fix the problem with manufacturing, not increasing the height of a printhead and totally screwing up the structural integrity of the machine. If you add shims to a single track printhead, it's bad news, and that's what the guy does at every install. We could get into the mechanics of raising print arms but that's a whole other thread. Adding shims to a centurian (double track print arm), no problem, but not the single track ones like most of us own.
Sorry, rant over.
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Shims. ;D
now that's one big red flag.
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If said guy would just fall off the planet everyone would be happy, but I think he still would get talked about. Never bought anything from him so I,m safe I think, its a long story and bad business deals all around.
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If said guy would just fall off the planet everyone would be happy, but I think he still would get talked about. Never bought anything from him so I,m safe I think, its a long story and bad business deals all around.
If we could only just be lucky enough for that happen.
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If said guy would just fall off the planet everyone would be happy, but I think he still would get talked about. Never bought anything from him so I,m safe I think, its a long story and bad business deals all around.
If we could only just be lucky enough for that happen.
Blame those who continue to support this kind of behavior with sales. It's very much like a drug dealer. No user,no dealer! He thrives on the unknowing ones!
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I'll give you 50k to clean it out and not even have the auction.
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I'll give you 50k to clean it out and not even have the auction.
do I hear 51? 51 anybody? . . .
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Bueller Bueller Bueller (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zyjLyBp64#)