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screen printing => Screen Making => Topic started by: Prosperi-Tees on February 21, 2012, 10:08:05 PM
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Has anyone used the Shurloc Econ panels? What are your thoughts? I'm trying to estimate what it's gonna cost to upgrade to Shurloc EZ frames and the panel choice will make a big difference.
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Having never really tried any economically based mesh I can't say one way or the other, but I've never been a fan of the cheaper versions of anything else regarding screen printing so I have a feeling where this would end up. I like the standard Sefar or Saati mesh that I've gotten in the shurloc panels in the past but they have never really "impressed" me, they just work fine. I much prefer the S thread Murakami in the panels because of how much easier they are to print with, and hold detail. The cheap inks are terrible, the cheap emulsion...terrible, the cheap frames=really terrible, you get the point. I'm trying to remember if I've ever had any product in this industry that was the cheapest among it's competition working even remotely close to as good as the pricier stuff. Having said all that, we are only talking about mesh, and if the threads can hold up to normal wear and tear, hold usable tension (probably where this mesh will really show it's true colors) and have decent mesh openings then it might stand a chance. I really hope it works well, and I hope my pessimism doesn't discourage you, it's just been my luck in the past. It has no real bearing on how that mesh will perform.
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I hear ya, im not trying to totally cheap out but was hoping someone had some experience with the econ panels and say hey they work 80% as well or something like that. I really would just like to work with more consistent tension whether it be 20, 30 or 40. The problem I am having now is that my frame stock is most likely all over the place, like all my 230s even though I dont have a meter to measure are very very soft compared to my 180s and 156s. So consistency is main objective and if the panels could get me in the high 20s to mid 30s consistenly I think I would be happy with that.
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@Prosperi-Tees We'd be happy to send over an E-con and a Premium panel for you to test out on your conversion frame. If you send us two frames, we can even pre-stretch one of each on there for you to measure against. One thing I do want to warn you about though, you do not want to have your 156 and your 230 at the same tensions.
A 156 requires a higher tension than a 230 to achieve the proper opening for best usage. Just like a 110 requires more tension than an 83. You want to be careful that you aren't setting everything to 20N or 40N because it just won't work well for you in the long run. Ideally though, all your 230's tensions would match, your 156's would match and so on.
Oh and a side note, we've had some amazing results in testing with the E-con line, so don't worry about durability or performance. They are a solid panel and a great value - there's just not the selection there that the premium fabrics offer. You do lose that magical color code as well.
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Shurloc,
Can you send frames with the mesh already on the frames. I really want to test your product but I don't want to get the stretching rig just to test a few screens. My goal is to be running all Shurloc EZ frames by the end of the year if they hold tention and print well with out poping too much.
Let me know
Jon
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@ Shurloc I already shipped just one frame to you guys, it should arrive to you tomorrow. I did not specify what mesh count I wanted so ill send you an email. Maybe I'll ship another to you yo test both panels.
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We've actually got the frame converted right now and are just waiting on the mesh count... If you want to fire another one up that would be great. Just let me know on the mesh and if another is coming and we will stretch them out at the same time.
Thanks!
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I actually dont have another coming to you guys but if you could put a standard 156 yellow mesh panel in that would be great, Thanks!
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We are about to start round two testing of the econo mesh. So far, our 110's and 156's have held tension and print great. The 305's need work, popped immediately.
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I've been using Econ panels for months. We use 60-280, all tesioned to 32-40N depending on mesh, with no issues. Doing research now on the smart mesh and will hopfully be able to try testing soon. Just wondering what tesions other people are using with the Smart mesh?
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S mesh runs at 22-32 n/cm. Sounds low comparatively but it's worth trying.
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I actually dont have another coming to you guys but if you could put a standard 156 yellow mesh panel in that would be great, Thanks!
Sorry I missed this one, we will get that 156 on there in the morning and get it headed back to you.
Thanks!
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Dont know if I like these EZ frames now. Went thru 1 job and 1 reclaim and this happened this morning sitting in the rack.
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take a look at your chems. $10 says that's the problem.
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Its the new CCI dip n strip @15 to 1 and easi way 701.
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You did see the other thread with popping mesh... they suspect chemicals too.
Makes sense unless you just got super unlucky with a manufacturing flaw.
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here is what we are doing with the econmesh...
sam
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Hey Gerry, I had the bosses take a look the photo you posted and we all think that the frame may have taken a hit right at the mesh line.
(http://www.shurloc.com/TSBImages/Popped Shurloc-2.jpg)
It probably started out as a micro pin-hole, but as the frame dried, it pulled a bit more and eventually popped. Are you taping your frames? Using something like the Newman Yellow tape, Polyken tape or even our fabric protectors can help with edge breakage like this. We'd love to get this worked out for you though...
Kick me an email at ron@shurloc.com or give us a call and see if we can get this figured out for you and maybe get a new fabric on there for you.
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that looks like camera glare. it's right in line with the flash on the upper part of the frame. you have the same effect up top as well.
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it's about the shape of the tear rather than the flash. If you run your finger across that area, see if there is a nick.
We ripped a bunch of frames in similar fashion. As you learn how to handle them it will get better. We still break them every now and then, but we reduced the breakage by 75%+ by being more careful.
We also stretch three sides and let it sit for a while and then tension the last one. It seems to help. . .
pierre
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I dont feel any nick or burr on it. I dont know I may have to revisit the frame issue this winter when it slows down. I dont have the time to experiment at the moment. I do feel either the EZ frame or the Newman will be integrated in the shop but I just dont have the time nor space to devote to either system at the moment.
I did not want my post to seem like a bash on Shurloc, it may have been something I did or the chemicals but either way Im not ready for either system.
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Sounds great Gerry, and remember, we'd love to get a replacement on there for you whenever you have time. I'll hope that the winter doesn't slow down for you, but if it does, come see us at Long Beach for the ISS Show next January... We don't have booth info yet, but when we do we will post it.
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Sounds good. I am planning on ISS in Janurary unless we make the move to a bigger shop and then we might not. Either way I will figure how to get this frame back to you to inspect it.