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screen printing => 4 Color and Simulated Process Printing => Topic started by: farmboygraphics on October 31, 2024, 12:26:17 PM
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https://youtube.com/shorts/eG2b8EP2q6k?si=qtPTDNKHt9SK_bkE (https://youtube.com/shorts/eG2b8EP2q6k?si=qtPTDNKHt9SK_bkE)
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If those are process inks they are the worst I've ever seen ;)
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There's a lot going on there.
My hands cramped up just looking at that squeegee.
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At least he didn't waste his money on a tension meter, or a................
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Good question what's the lowest tension in your shop you can work with, sad to say I've worked on my manual with some 13 to 14 tension screens but I like to not go below 18, gotta pull out the old meter and check a few screens LOL
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Stevie friggen Wonder can see those reg marks, yikes....as long as the customer is happy and PAYS, you can use a screen door and ketchup. I don't give a rip....
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It's fine as long as you adjust your curves for 950% dot gain...
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Stevie friggen Wonder can see those reg marks, yikes....as long as the customer is happy and PAYS, you can use a screen door and ketchup. I don't give a rip....
Yup. That's my comment. LOL. May as well have no reg marks. Just use the art.
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I see a lot of critiquing, but a lack of people here posting their 4 color process work. Probably 80% of this forum would be like "just DTF that", which feels terrible on a shirt.
I think his prints look good, and his inks look like normal plastisol process inks to me, lower viscosity so they blend.
He got good grays which I think is difficult with 4 color process, brown looks goods good, and he's showing his work. Comments on youtube are positive (which is hard to achieve). I personally would have tried printing MYCK since I think the beak is too dark but I haven't seen the original art so could be dead on.
Let's see the people poking fun post
- Source Art
- Photos of 4 Color Process Prints
- Photos of Ink in Screen
- Newton Meter on Screens
- Registering 4 Color Process with No Registration Marks
- Your Ergonomic Squeegees
- Your RIP Curves for Dot Gain
Show N Tell times boys, let's see what you got. Bet you won't.
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You first. I mean, since you did the challenge.
But what we do know is that (what we see), in the results stand a far greater chance of not looking good compared to the original intent. It’s got many example of how not to print CMYK.
Does it look good? Yea, most prints do if you don’t look at the original.
For me, I can show my original and my print with all of the details you mentioned. But you first. ;)
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This is the internet. Arm chair critique is essential for our personal well being.
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I see a lot of critiquing, but a lack of people here posting their 4 color process work. Probably 80% of this forum would be like "just DTF that", which feels terrible on a shirt.
I think his prints look good, and his inks look like normal plastisol process inks to me, lower viscosity so they blend.
He got good grays which I think is difficult with 4 color process, brown looks goods good, and he's showing his work. Comments on youtube are positive (which is hard to achieve). I personally would have tried printing MYCK since I think the beak is too dark but I haven't seen the original art so could be dead on.
Let's see the people poking fun post
- Source Art
- Photos of 4 Color Process Prints
- Photos of Ink in Screen
- Newton Meter on Screens
- Registering 4 Color Process with No Registration Marks
- Your Ergonomic Squeegees
- Your RIP Curves for Dot Gain
Show N Tell times boys, let's see what you got. Bet you won't.
I was laughing at the screen tension at first, too, but in the end, the result is not too bad, especially considering the resources they have in certain countries. I saw Stevie Wonder on TV this morning and was reminded of this post right away.
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I didn't see anyone bashing the print. I was pretty clear by the title, I've never seen a screen bow like that ;D
The end print looked acceptable to me and since I started the post I'll play. I'm the hackiest of hacks, but it pays the bills. :D
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1374715703449252 (https://www.facebook.com/reel/1374715703449252) cmyk
https://www.facebook.com/reel/785854532740825 (https://www.facebook.com/reel/785854532740825) cmyk
I'm doing another full color process today, I'll post them up later.
The black shirt is just a sim process. The orange is an index, first one I've ever done. It came out close-ish to the artwork, which was not great, and the customer loved them.
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I forgot I had these hanging up.
The coffee one is only a CMY
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Summer daze and the clouds are awesome! Hard to keep that nice fade.
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I also think that this eagle print is a good example of (how we get comfortable with our shop setup) and “adjusting seps” to how we print. Like that old saying, “What works in one shop will be different in another shop”.
Screen printing is screen printing BUT, rightfully so, we learn to adapt and make adjustments to what we use daily. For example, (it could be) that this guy who printed the eagle did indeed adjust his seps so much (to accommodate the environment) he’s accustom to printing with.
In this case, you would over compensate for the low tension, “stick” and smear/drag. You do lose dot crispness this way and becomes more “photorealistic” so to speak so this is one benefit of his printing method. Just one that I can see. But even that is another example of expectations and results.
One shop like his, may expect blur the print a little due to the tension. Another shop may flash each color and get a very different print.
We all know that if you take great seps and have 3 shops print the same thing, the results will be different. I’d for sure tho, use much smaller reg marks :)
I’ve sent seps out with expectations (in a standard way) and get back results where the print is very light/airy while if I sent those seps to other shops I know, they would be almost opaque.
Sort of like the results of printing a solid vector logo. That can be done to look old school athletic/solid or it can be done with a waterbase feel and vintage.
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farmboygraphics, thanks for sharing, those are good results for CMYK and Index (a lost art). If the customer is happy that's all that matters.
I've always found CMYK on a base is difficult, but was printing manually when I was really experimenting so auto probably makes that easier. But also haven't been happy with washability of CMYK on White without a base due to fibrillation and inks being so thin.
For all those images you posted I would approach those as sim process, but the coffee print looks really cool. (underbase peeking but let's call that a test print)
I tried to do the Virus system of Inks / CMYK where they do the separations, but after all is said and done, you need two bases, CMYK and then probably a couple spot colors so you are already approaching the same amount of screens as sim process with easier workability. But also had access to larger presses where color counts weren't quite a concern so it's cool to see you are making four color process printing work well for you.
Good on you for sharing.
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I was actually impressed with that print. Those registration marks were something else, but the end result was pretty damn good.
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In my earliest days, we had thin wooden frames, stapled mesh, and would not register on a tension meter; not that we had one. We did some pretty decent work (White inks still had lead in it) but we had to compensate for everything. By the time we bought an actual stretcher and CA adhesives we were "wowed" by how much better it was. It's a good thing that there are some good vids out there for newbies, and places like this forum to help them.
Steve