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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: farmboygraphics on October 08, 2024, 10:34:03 AM
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Possible user error? Maybe.
There's a reason I haven't seen any videos of anyone actually printing hoodies with these, yes I know the black is recommended,
but I'm not buying a whole other set of boards for these silly a$$ things. Wasted about 10 hoodies trying to get these to work.
Changed pressure and speed, also got them super tacky, but they just don't hold fleece well and they have a little flex (sponginess) to them.
Again, may just be me not using it correctly, I don't want to bash someone's product just because it didn't work for me.
Sometimes there's just not an easier way.
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Im not sure what that is?
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PrintGrip
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PrintGrip
8 of them, they stuck to each other pretty good. Lesson learned...No Shortcuts.
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PrintGrip
8 of them, they stuck to each other pretty good. Lesson learned...No Shortcuts.
I use Web spray tack (Cammie 385), slow but gets the job done and I just change the pallet tape after we are done
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Switched over to liquid wb tack (Used for decades when I had belt printers and introduced it to the platen people back in the day. Some might not know this, but liquid glue can last for more than a month (in non fleece season!). It reactivates with water and a scrub from a push broom replacement head. Heat and go. Some think the boards lose tack but its just lint that needs to be scrubbed off. Same with the double sided tack tape that Duane and I used at JSR Direct.
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I believe he is just trying to share his experience with this particular product, not looking for alternatives, if I'm not mistaken.
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Yeah I've not tried the Print Grip yet. If its a problem for fleece I might not
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Switched over to liquid wb tack (Used for decades when I had belt printers and introduced it to the platen people back in the day. Some might not know this, but liquid glue can last for more than a month (in non fleece season!). It reactivates with water and a scrub from a push broom replacement head. Heat and go. Some think the boards lose tack but its just lint that needs to be scrubbed off. Same with the double sided tack tape that Duane and I used at JSR Direct.
garston carried the double sided tack paper, they were bought by Tubelite, then tubelite was bought by grimco. long story - grimco no longer carries it and i havent been able to find anything close. the stuff garston carried was perfect. we could leave it on for a week and scrub and it would work fine.
right now we are using something from grimco that is advertised as a double sided tack but it lasts for about a day. all 5 autos are frustrated at the tack letting go after 6 hours. when you scrub to get the lint off - the glue comes off the board.
Tony - whats the brand of liquid glue you are using? theres about a hundred on the market.
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Tekmar TB-HV. Just right for me anyway. I never water it down however, with fresh paper we'll often apply two coats wet on dry. Lasts even longer. If you're still doing all those thousand black shirt runs it should work great for you. If you lose tack in the run we just run the shirts of, water scrub, quick flash, and back running. Just like the Garston stuff. Cept a lot cheaper ;)
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I believe he is just trying to share his experience with this particular product, not looking for alternatives, if I'm not mistaken.
This^
I've been using the TB-10 for years. Right out of the bucket with a squirt bottle and small foam roller. Works great.
I saw something shiny and kinda new and gave it a go. Pass. If you have a press dedicated to just tees these may work great for you.
I really should have paid better attention to the video from Ryonet when they put adhesive on top of the fleece lint instead of cleaning them.
Live and learn and learn and learn some more. ;D
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Switched over to liquid wb tack (Used for decades when I had belt printers and introduced it to the platen people back in the day. Some might not know this, but liquid glue can last for more than a month (in non fleece season!). It reactivates with water and a scrub from a push broom replacement head. Heat and go. Some think the boards lose tack but its just lint that needs to be scrubbed off. Same with the double sided tack tape that Duane and I used at JSR Direct.
THIS
I would apply thinned down wb tack with a small foam paint roller. Super even coverage, better than using a card. Flash dry. After awhile, scrub with water and a stiff brush to remove lint, flash dry again, perfectly tacky again. Once in awhile add a little more wb tack.
I had the same application of pallet tape on for 5 months at one point before I did web tack and had to change out.
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Switched over to liquid wb tack (Used for decades when I had belt printers and introduced it to the platen people back in the day. Some might not know this, but liquid glue can last for more than a month (in non fleece season!). It reactivates with water and a scrub from a push broom replacement head. Heat and go. Some think the boards lose tack but its just lint that needs to be scrubbed off. Same with the double sided tack tape that Duane and I used at JSR Direct.
THIS
I would apply thinned down wb tack with a small foam paint roller. Super even coverage, better than using a card. Flash dry. After awhile, scrub with water and a stiff brush to remove lint, flash dry again, perfectly tacky again. Once in awhile add a little more wb tack.
I had the same application of pallet tape on for 5 months at one point before I did web tack and had to change out.
We switched from liquid adhesive to Printgrip because we were losing tack on larger WB runs.
We ran the same print grip on a 16 color press for about 8 months before having to change it out.
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That is definitely interesting.
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You know you can get PrintGrip from the original manufacturer in China for a fraction of the price. And it comes on rolls. And you can choose from two different widths.
Gives you much more flexibility.
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Tekmar TB-HV. Just right for me anyway. I never water it down however, with fresh paper we'll often apply two coats wet on dry. Lasts even longer. If you're still doing all those thousand black shirt runs it should work great for you. If you lose tack in the run we just run the shirts of, water scrub, quick flash, and back running. Just like the Garston stuff. Cept a lot cheaper ;)
I have tried to use WB adhesive for fleece and just cannot get it to work consistently. Having said that I have only tried to use TexTac brand WB adhesive (made by ChromaLine I believe). For tees we do water it down and it works perfectly, but for fleece I have tried using it right out of the bottle and apply with a scrub pad brush. I use a ketchup dispenser type of bottle to squirt it on and then spread it with the brush, so it is very evenly distributed. It works ok for a couple of rounds of hoodies, but then it starts to wear down and scrubbing it after every 2-3 hoodies takes a ton of effort. I need to get one of those drill mounted scrub brush setups. Im sure that would help.
Anyway, currently the only solution I have is using Camies 375 "Flash" spray adhesive. It is the only thing I can get to keep fleece down consistently. I am tired as hell of having to use spray tack to hold fleece down though. Its getting all over the press, the floor, and in other areas in the shop. I notice films setting on a table in the other room have are getting the spray tack on it. That stuff travels all over the shop, not to mention into my lungs. So your suggestion of this other WB adhesive is interesting to me. I wonder how different or better it is that TexTac. I may have to give it a shot. Looks like it costs about $20 more per gallon. Do you have experience with TexTac, to compare the two? I am really curious.