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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: tonypep on September 24, 2024, 07:24:37 AM
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Industries across the globe and over time have always tried (and will continue) to innovate and improve technology in an effort to move forward with regards to efficiency, quality, and innovation. Ours is certainly not an exception. "Thank You Captain Obvious" you may say, however there have certainly been some clunkers out there. In addition, there are pieces of equip that are considered to be treasures to some but trash to others. So, in order to start what might be a lively discussion lets try to stay clear of bashing, more of a pros and cons thread. Humorous anecdotes allowed and encouraged.
I'll share some of mine later.
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I'll share a dust collector for us was buying a pad printing setup, not the El-cheapo but a nice manual system, won't mention the name because the equipment was great did what they said it would do, but the problem was the cost of products and qty of what you had to buy vs what the customer wanted. I don't think I made my money back or if I did we broke even and still have the machine today, so not only do you have to study the machine but the products you need do produce items for customers. Another piece of equipment was a cap attachment to screen print 6 panel caps, now I will say we made our money back and more on that until screenprinted caps fell wayside to embroidery, those are my two biggest investments that now collect dust.
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Ive got a squeegee cleaner sitting in the corner here. The one with two big brushes and a hand crank. I loved it but the crew says its too slow. It splashes chems up into the top of the blade and leaks down as the squeegee flexes during production if you aren't thorough. Then there's the winged flood bar hangup. Screen O and a rag is quicker... and with the number of setups we're pushing every day pretty much mandatory. Less healthy for sure... but quicker yes.
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Automatic hang tagging machine...
OMFG. Tinkerer's nightmare. Trying to get it to work correctly and not have it waste more time than it was supposed to save.
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Game Changers:
Stampinator
One Stroke Inks
S mesh
Unlimited time off for employees + make you're own schedule
beer fridge
no phone
DTS
DTF in house
Dust Collectors:
Roller frames
Quartz Flashes
Squeegie cleaners
specialty pallets / jacket hold down
Number screens
screen stretching systems
Bucket scoop with the thumb on it...
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Bucket scoop with the thumb on it...
Hey now I like those bucket scoops, only have two, really didn't need but one LOL
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Dust Collectors:
M&R Hot Head
Old DTG equipment (practically gave away everything, Viper pretreats we couldn't give away...)
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Proves my point that, as we are all in the same business, we are similar but different. Beer fridge and make your own hours may not work for many for instance. Heres my eyebrow raiser..... the stampinator is a dust collector here. Heres why. It simply cannot replace the flashes. Too many substrate variables. Our 8 and 10 color ROQs are of an earlier year and we can't control it from the main. Its just too finicky for us, at least for now. It has to work 100% all the time and despite hard and earnest tweaking, it did not. And since our machines have a smaller footprint, can't use it after the flash. Pressed for space and certainly don't want to have to switch it out. Needs to be a permanent fixture. Tried for inline transfer and no go. Too much platen deflection. Not that we won't dust it off and give it a go some time in the future but for now it was a hard pass.
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I know a lot of people make good use of a DTG machine but for me its a dust collector. Both softwares I use stopped working for it. Can't get support. Big waste of money. In hindsight I'd be better off investing the finance payment into the market every month. Oh well. 2 more years until it's paid off and then I can give it away for 10 bucks lol.
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Dust Collectors:
M&R Hot Head
Old DTG equipment (practically gave away everything, Viper pretreats we couldn't give away...)
Admiral, what do you not like about the hothead? I was considering one.
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exactly why we hated the quartz flashes. Too many fabrics for a "set it and forget it", they needed too many adjustments. grey triblends? those suckers scorched every time....Stampinator. one and done for everything.
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Dust collector
Manual Press (Not trying to be a smart ass)
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Dust collector
Manual Press (Not trying to be a smart ass)
we got rid of our manual press- 10c chameleon with side clamp. we didnt have anyone to run it and we primarily print runs over 500pc. my boss told the handyman to bring it to the scrapyard. i gave the acoma flash to Tony P at CGS in NJ because my boss wanted to toss it as well.
now we cant print multi color pocket prints. we end up getting DTF transfers and heat press them on.
we are phasing out our roller frames -when they pop we bring them to the scrapyard. not worth it to sell and too much labor to remesh.
our roller frame stretching tables turned into heat press tables. strong and just about the right height for the heat press team.
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Gamechanger - when I had this Pocono screen supply numbering system with little wooden screens.. It was a game changer because it made me realize to never buy crap like that again..LOL
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Dust collector
Manual Press (Not trying to be a smart ass)
Our Kruzer collects dust 90% of the time, but just this AM I ran in the back and printed 35 sleeve prints so the guys didnt have to switch the pallets on one of the other presses. I always want to get rid of it and then I use it for something like this and it saves a little time!
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Dust collector
Manual Press (Not trying to be a smart ass)
Ours holds drinks or a radio. We occasionally use it for sleeve prints. It's a single color, single station, so it almost takes up no space.
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We have a 6/4 manual and we use it all the time for that matter we have a job set up on it now to keep from pulling screens off the auto, so nope I never toss my manual even if we had a very large shop with 4 or more auto's I'd keep a few manual presses around.
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Dust collector
Manual Press (Not trying to be a smart ass)
Ours holds drinks or a radio. We occasionally use it for sleeve prints. It's a single color, single station, so it almost takes up no space.
'Radio'. ?
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Indeed what is this "radio" you speak of?
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the stampinator is a dust collector here
You fell into the gimmicky sales tactics of using it to replace a flash, and inline heat transfers on a press. Both don't work well 100% of the time, for transfers you have to build up your pallets so much it doesn't make sense. To replace as a flash your pallets need to be hot, have a quick flashing under base. But when used in tandem with a flash then you get the best benefit and ease of use. I get not having enough room but I bet that's like 10% or less of your orders you wouldn't have room for it.
I personally think if they had a removable stand to make it easier to move they may get used more, they are such a PITA to move that that's why I personally think they become dust collectors since people are lazy and have one time issues with ink sticking and go nope, doesn't work.
It's a really good tool though if used properly, it does "make your prints better" and works much better than a hot head in my opinion.
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Actually that was owner at the trade show without me. Never would have bought it because of the 8-10 color press thing. I believe they are great after flash for the 12 up autos. And yes, a stand option would be smart.
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Dust Collectors:
M&R Hot Head
Old DTG equipment (practically gave away everything, Viper pretreats we couldn't give away...)
Admiral, what do you not like about the hothead? I was considering one.
We had the flat iron one installed for awhile a couple times but it tends to move shirts and put wrinkles in some every now and then. More defects and more of a hassle than an improvement to the print. The roller one may fix that. Stampinator may fix it too, but I haven't revisited this and having to install 4x of them to match quality across everything would be expensive and possibly hit our productivity too.
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Dust collector
Manual Press (Not trying to be a smart ass)
Ours holds drinks or a radio. We occasionally use it for sleeve prints. It's a single color, single station, so it almost takes up no space.
'Radio'. ?
A jobsite radio that streams playlists or spotify. No sense in listening to FM, it's ALL political ads.
Smartasses.
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Dust collector
Manual Press (Not trying to be a smart ass)
Ours holds drinks or a radio. We occasionally use it for sleeve prints. It's a single color, single station, so it almost takes up no space.
Maybe it's called a bluetooth speaker? (I bet even that is an outdated term). LOL
We had a guy here a year and half ago... he loved the "radio" .. constantly people talking on commercials and the same ones alll day.. whenever I had to be back there, I told him we had to turn it off.
'Radio'. ?
A jobsite radio that streams playlists or spotify. No sense in listening to FM, it's ALL political ads.
Smartasses.
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the stampinator is a dust collector here
You fell into the gimmicky sales tactics of using it to replace a flash, and inline heat transfers on a press. Both don't work well 100% of the time, for transfers you have to build up your pallets so much it doesn't make sense. To replace as a flash your pallets need to be hot, have a quick flashing under base. But when used in tandem with a flash then you get the best benefit and ease of use. I get not having enough room but I bet that's like 10% or less of your orders you wouldn't have room for it.
I personally think if they had a removable stand to make it easier to move they may get used more, they are such a PITA to move that that's why I personally think they become dust collectors since people are lazy and have one time issues with ink sticking and go nope, doesn't work.
It's a really good tool though if used properly, it does "make your prints better" and works much better than a hot head in my opinion.
What do you mean by building up your pallets? I do not have a stampinator, but considered getting the manual as my small shop is still a manual shop.
Other issues I would see with the stampinator would be when printing hoodies, do folks just press on top of the hoodie pocket? Doesn't that smash the pocket and leave heat marks? And the stampinator works ok for waterbased inks? Or its not necessary for water based since its already pretty smooth?
Feel free to ignore the second question/s. I was just thinking out loud. I will try to search the forum more for those answers if needed, but if you could speak to "building up the pallets" to use the stampinator as an inline heat press, I would appreciate it.
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I would say that equip add ons should work all the time or never. That said, some may work with finicking, however that may depend on the user. Short run custom ops that may need to move/remove a stampinator or roller station may find it cumbersome and time consuming. Larger shops with 14 color plus stations can often leave them in place and use as needed.