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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: Nation03 on January 25, 2021, 10:12:02 PM
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Going to be upgrading presses soon and now that SPSI is the MHM distributor I have them back on my list. Anyone using the X-Type that can shed some light on how they are?
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If they have you come to MN to their showroom, hit us up! We are like 15 min from the airport!
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Will do, thanks! I spoke with Mike a while back for a quote and he told us to come out to check out the showroom. The closest shops near me running MHMs are all running S-Types and that's a bit overkill for us.
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We're running two s-type extremes and l-o-v-e them. must have the mechanical zeros on your microregistration. it's a spring loaded pin that falls into a divot once per revolution on the micro registration knob. This gives you an actual zero (vs. just reading a dial). it be just the best haha!
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FYI I have a very clean S type for sale pm if you have any interest.
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Will do, thanks! I spoke with Mike a while back for a quote and he told us to come out to check out the showroom. The closest shops near me running MHMs are all running S-Types and that's a bit overkill for us.
I am installing a new xtype for SPSI in Long Island NY starting Thursday
Come check it out if you like! No so far from where you are.
Winston
904.3430848
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Will do, thanks! I spoke with Mike a while back for a quote and he told us to come out to check out the showroom. The closest shops near me running MHMs are all running S-Types and that's a bit overkill for us.
I am installing a new xtype for SPSI in Long Island NY starting Thursday
Come check it out if you like! No so far from where you are.
Winston
904.3430848
That is appealing, I may take you up on that. On a Map Long Island is close but the traffic at those bridges turns it into a 2 hour drive haha.
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We have two Xs and two S types all twelve color. Never going to say I love them but I am an M&R guy. Pros: pallet locking system and non deflecting pallets....its a beefy table. Cons: Sideways micros (no top to bottom right/left, squeegee/floodbar clamps :(, and peg and hole screen clamps based on decades old table printing techniques. So no retens and no triloc or DTS (at least for us, for now. Looking into the MHM DTS but not getting much info> I would'nt mind seeing a pic of the pin micros they sound different than ours. If we could truly find actual zero on the presses then a MHM Spyder DTS or modified M&R DTS would be an excellent consideration. You may want to consider this as well.
tpo
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Thanks for the info Tony. I'm pretty much brand agnostic. I love the M&R I have and would buy an upgraded M&R press next, I'm not ruling that out. I really like the MHM for the pin lock system and because the squeegees and flood bars can be lifted up which seems like it would make change overs much quicker. Especially if you do a lot of white ink printing or similar colors, etc. And as much as I love the tri-loc I think it would be awesome to not have to change a pallet out for each setup. Maybe I'm overthinking those little extras I have to do. Also, both Roq and MHM seem to run on much lower amperage which is a plus. I'm going to be limited to 200 amp single phase and most the M&R presses I'm considering seem to be double the amp usage of the other presses I've looked at.
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Thanks for the info Tony. I'm pretty much brand agnostic. I love the M&R I have and would buy an upgraded M&R press next, I'm not ruling that out. I really like the MHM for the pin lock system and because the squeegees and flood bars can be lifted up which seems like it would make change overs much quicker. Especially if you do a lot of white ink printing or similar colors, etc. And as much as I love the tri-loc I think it would be awesome to not have to change a pallet out for each setup. Maybe I'm overthinking those little extras I have to do. Also, both Roq and MHM seem to run on much lower amperage which is a plus. I'm going to be limited to 200 amp single phase and most the M&R presses I'm considering seem to be double the amp usage of the other presses I've looked at.
if you want more info on the ROQ's reach out directly. Will get you in touch with my guys on the press so you can talk to them. 'trying not to hijack the thread...
MHM is a nice press. As is the M&R. Any one of those will serve you well and make you money if you have the work.
pierre
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We have two Xs and two S types all twelve color. Never going to say I love them but I am an M&R guy. Pros: pallet locking system and non deflecting pallets....its a beefy table. Cons: Sideways micros (no top to bottom right/left, squeegee/floodbar clamps :(, and peg and hole screen clamps based on decades old table printing techniques. So no retens and no triloc or DTS (at least for us, for now. Looking into the MHM DTS but not getting much info> I would'nt mind seeing a pic of the pin micros they sound different than ours. If we could truly find actual zero on the presses then a MHM Spyder DTS or modified M&R DTS would be an excellent consideration. You may want to consider this as well.
tpo
MHM S type pin reg +tapeless screen+ Wax DTS pin reg = magic sauce imo
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Thanks Pierre. I've spoke with Brian a bunch over at Roq and he's been great. I do really love those presses and will deeply consider all the options. As I'm sure I've said before, I'm a small 1.5 man operation. Soon to be a 2 person team. Trying to keep it as small as I can and produce as much as possible with a skeleton crew.
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Thank You for the pics. Those micros are the same as ours. Looks like Diamond Chase frames though not sure..... ours have been bought premade statics. Cannot be sure if our presses are truly set to zero until we take away the human step of placing films.
tp
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We started with M&R, then ROQ, now 2 x S Type Xtremes with a Douthitt CTS. We wish we would have started with MHM and skipped the others. Feel free to call any time 727-581-4066. Ask for Mike (that's the owner)
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I think if you had everything dialed in, pins with CTS and the press can really zero out properly, it's probably the best for easy registration in theory.
Where I worked previously many years ago, we had an MHM and while they all push ink through a screen, loading ink and doing color changes with those bars around the screen was a nightmare to me. Maybe it's something you would get used to, but the access to the screen was a PITA, and I doubt on that older press if you popped a screen out to access easier and put it right back in that it would be in registration still. However old pins, no maintenance, bad screens.
Also you are only as good as your support, and if parts still have to be shipped in from Europe fixes can be more expensive and take longer, so I'd make sure support over the last 9 years since my last experience has really gotten better.
I think the MHM are probably the best in theory, but loading and doing ink changes in those bad boys sucks, maybe if you are taller not as bad of an issue. Does ROQ offer a pin screen option? I seem to remember they used to?
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Our MHM S-Type is over 20 years old, and just keeps running. No major down time, but you might want to have some spare parts on hand (if buying used) as sometimes it can 2 weeks or more for parts. It's a great press, it really is.
Steve
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I think if you had everything dialed in, pins with CTS and the press can really zero out properly, it's probably the best for easy registration in theory.
Where I worked previously many years ago, we had an MHM and while they all push ink through a screen, loading ink and doing color changes with those bars around the screen was a nightmare to me. Maybe it's something you would get used to, but the access to the screen was a PITA, and I doubt on that older press if you popped a screen out to access easier and put it right back in that it would be in registration still. However old pins, no maintenance, bad screens.
Also you are only as good as your support, and if parts still have to be shipped in from Europe fixes can be more expensive and take longer, so I'd make sure support over the last 9 years since my last experience has really gotten better.
I think the MHM are probably the best in theory, but loading and doing ink changes in those bad boys sucks, maybe if you are taller not as bad of an issue. Does ROQ offer a pin screen option? I seem to remember they used to?
We had a ROQ pin system and it sucked, real bad. They don't offer it anymore.
This pandemic has caused delays in getting parts etc from Europe but none of the minor issues we have had has caused any downtime. SPSI has been excellent when it comes to support. They stock a lot of parts and have gone the extra mile to get us anything we've needed in a timely manner.
Delays in service is effecting all manufactures. We are having some issues with our 2 year old Sprint 3000 dryer and the tech can't come out until the end of February.
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We have 2 - X types and an S type with a Exile Spyder DTS.
Pretty awesome combo.
Registration is very easy with the spyder/mhm pin combo. Exile is the company that brands their Spyder with the MHM Logo if you have seen a "MHM" DTS.
I would say the biggest difference between the S and X is you can fit a 36" frame in the S.
Our White squeegees hardly ever leave the press. you can just pop the screen and squeegee up and go on until a job requires white again.
The pallet change system makes printing sleeves and pockets extremely easy.
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Combine this with the Douthitt system that SPSI will package and install all at once. Douthitt CTS is best value for any press and we have special mhm package. Mark 313 515 8635
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Thanks Pierre. I've spoke with Brian a bunch over at Roq and he's been great. I do really love those presses and will deeply consider all the options. As I'm sure I've said before, I'm a small 1.5 man operation. Soon to be a 2 person team. Trying to keep it as small as I can and produce as much as possible with a skeleton crew.
Our M&R is going to be picked up mid March by another shop, then end of March comes our new ROQ Next 10/14, 2 Evo flashes , Roq Iron etc. 2/3 of it financed through a government grant. Free instal etc, hefty discount.
MHM approached us too but never replied after we mentioned the deal we got. Found that very rude of them. At Elsass say that you cannot match the price and wish all the best. That’s what M&R did after we got a quote for the Cobra press which matched the ROQ estimate. But the experience we had with our Diamondback was just too bad.
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Jakprints here in Cleveland is looking for a ROQ to set up the hybrid they have. They would like to trade an MHM for a ROQ that is compatible with it.
If anybody is interested let me know and I'll get you in touch.
pierre
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We bought an M&R DS4000 and been running it on our 16 Station You. What MHM are they looking to swap ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D :o :o :o
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We bought an M&R DS4000 and been running it on our 16 Station You. What MHM are they looking to swap ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D :o :o :o
they just put the listing up of presses for sale. bunch of 4000's, ovals and S-type. Shoot me a PM if you are interested. Or reach out to LT directly in the sales post, he can sort it out.
pierre
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We bought an M&R DS4000 and been running it on our 16 Station You. What MHM are they looking to swap ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D :o :o :o
they just put the listing up of presses for sale. bunch of 4000's, ovals and S-type. Shoot me a PM if you are interested. Or reach out to LT directly in the sales post, he can sort it out.
pierre
Pierre, do you know if they put them up on digitSmith or something like that?
Thanks
Will
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We bought an M&R DS4000 and been running it on our 16 Station You. What MHM are they looking to swap ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D :o :o :o
they just put the listing up of presses for sale. bunch of 4000's, ovals and S-type. Shoot me a PM if you are interested. Or reach out to LT directly in the sales post, he can sort it out.
pierre
Pierre, do you know if they put them up on digitSmith or something like that?
Thanks
Will
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Never mind. Just saw on the classified board. Right where it should be!
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