TSB
screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: 1964GN on December 14, 2019, 07:32:13 AM
-
2 brand new MHM presses. 1 x 14/16 S-Type Xtreme and 1 x 10/12 S-Type Xtreme. Delivery scheduled for 12/20/2019! We firmly believe that these presses combined with the Douthitt CTS will be the ultimate set up.
Both ROQ presses are sold to a Canadian company. Over the holidays they will be torn down and crated, the MHM's will be uncrated, the dryer will be moved to make room for the 10/12, with install starting on 1/6/2020. Tony Palmer will be here for 3 days just before the Long Beach show for training. The next few weeks are going to be busy!
-
Our 15+ year old Synchro-S still does a great job. Congrats on the new presses.
Steve
-
Curious, why did you move away from the Roq? sounds like an awesome set up!
-
We firmly believe that these presses combined with the Douthitt CTS will be the ultimate set up.
Chasing perfection coast a lot of money.
This what I thought and what I have wax/mhm s type but was left disappointed, I do sincerely hope your expectations are meet above and beyond.
Depending on the your shops threshold of perfection there is no ultimate set up rather the lesser of evils you learn to work with.
My expectations of pre reg/plug and play has not meet the my mark, it is a great system but imo the tri lock a better platform. The S type pallet arms present challenges in loading long sleeves, near impossible to get a Hanes/gildan S on down or Bella M on down onto platten. Too much flex in pallet arms this was a major bummer for me, you can stand on the end of a TAS arm and it will not flex period.
comments are not meant to be a buzz kill just be prepared for unseen issues and learn how to work with them.
-
We firmly believe that these presses combined with the Douthitt CTS will be the ultimate set up.
Chasing perfection coast a lot of money.
This what I thought and what I have wax/mhm s type but was left disappointed, I do sincerely hope your expectations are meet above and beyond.
Depending on the your shops threshold of perfection there is no ultimate set up rather the lesser of evils you learn to work with.
My expectations of pre reg/plug and play has not meet the my mark, it is a great system but imo the tri lock a better platform. The S type pallet arms present challenges in loading long sleeves, near impossible to get a Hanes/gildan S on down or Bella M on down onto platten. Too much flex in pallet arms this was a major bummer for me, you can stand on the end of a TAS arm and it will not flex period.
comments are not meant to be a buzz kill just be prepared for unseen issues and learn how to work with them.
We are not chasing perfection. We are chasing the best partners for efficiency and growth.
You have never tried to prints sleeves on a ROQ, have you. It ain't pretty. We designed our own pallets that made it possible. We may be screwed with the MHM's. We did have them make some custom 4" pallets. I guess we'll know if they work the first week of 2020.
I have a very long post prepared outlining the events that have lead us to leave Ryonet and ROQ. I'll post is soon.
-
Good choice, I have a Douthitt, S Type and E Type. I haven’t dialed them in but I’m happy with our set up times.
I had our sleeve pallets make shorter than the standard pallets. Ordered them custom made by Action. This way it’s much easier to get the sleeve to the print area without pulling them onto the pallet.
With shirts you start the print about 4” from the neck, about 5” from the start of the pallet so I made mine 4” shorter.
-
Sounds like your Christmas and mine are pretty similar. I'm getting an Xtype 8C/10S installed first part of the year as well. Replacing a 7/8 Volt M. Would have loved to go S-type, but wouldn't fit in my space. Douthitt is getting installed this week Wednesday.
I'm Interested in the 4" sleeve pallets. I got the 5' but would have got the 4 had I known they were available.
Sent from my HD1905 using Tapatalk
-
We have had the Douthitt running for a few weeks now. It's been a real game changer. Our ROQs have pin registration so they modified it to work until the MHM's get installed. Initially it was all over the place but over time it has gotten better and better. The attached is a 5 color we did last week. The grey was the only color that need a small tweak. I'd say that's pretty impressive. We fully expect to get similar results with the new stuff over time.
@T Shirt Farmer You need to contact SPSI and see if they can get Tony Palmer over to your shop for a few days. The guy is a wizard and should be able to get you where want to be.
@Biverson I'll keep you posted on the 4". We had them custom made but I don't remember if MHM or Action made them.
-
Our 7am Christmas Eve delivery!
-
I’ll be very interested to hear results. We tested 4 different “pin” systems before building our 3 point tri loc style setup as none of the pin systems were as good. Will also be interested to see how you guys eliminate the issues created by the douthitt drum as the tension that puts on the mesh does not translate to perfect registration on press.
-
I’ll be very interested to hear results. We tested 4 different “pin” systems before building our 3 point tri loc style setup as none of the pin systems were as good. Will also be interested to see how you guys eliminate the issues created by the douthitt drum as the tension that puts on the mesh does not translate to perfect registration on press.
I'll be sure to keep everyone updated as we go. I hear you loud and clear on the Douthitt tension issue. It initially came with a bar/clamp system for the MHM which they modified to work with our ROQ pins (pinned only on one side) but it didn't really work and reg was way off. The top clamp comes straight down and they only way to get the pins to align was force it BUT the tension was minimal.
They sent us a push set up modified with pins at the bottom, and the top clamp that pushes the frame/mesh against the drum. Every time I put a frame in I think the mesh is going to pop. To say it's excessive is putting it mildly. Our biggest issue has been the underbase. In some cases it was like there was no choke.
The tension on the mesh/drum is vastly different between the 2 systems. Is it safe to say that you never tested a "pin" system where both ends of the screen were pinned like the MHM and Douthitt?
Anyway, install is scheduled for the week of January 6th and we are banking a bunch of work. I'll have the good, the bad, and the ugly in a few weeks.
-
ROQ presses are disassembled and the new air and electrical drops going in for the MHM's.
-
Install on the smaller press started yesterday. We are pretty impressed with the build quality. Those print heads are a lot heavier than they look... very stout compared to our ROQ's. We also purchased 425 screens with welded on cups.
-
Sorry if this was mentioned already but I’m curious what size your building is?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
75x100 total including office and embroidery.
Good progress being made!
-
Install on the smaller press started yesterday. We are pretty impressed with the build quality. Those print heads are a lot heavier than they look... very stout compared to our ROQ's. We also purchased 425 screens with welded on cups.
Looks Great! Who built the screens for you? What ratio of mesh count did you get?
-
We got the frames from GFS. I don't have the breakdown with me but 123, 150, 180, 225, 280, 305
-
So why did you switch?
-
I love my S Type, it’s so well built and easy to operate. I like those welded caps, I have the plastic or whatever they are caps that we screw on. I am replacing a lot of them, after a few years them get worn and I’m trying to get my CTS to register.
-
I love my S Type, it’s so well built and easy to operate. I like those welded caps, I have the plastic or whatever they are caps that we screw on. I am replacing a lot of them, after a few years them get worn and I’m trying to get my CTS to register.
Maxie are you getting perfect lock and print registration with your mhm+douthitt combo?
-
No, I haven't had time to set it up.
I'm changing all my old pins.
I'll do it after LB.
-
It's been a real challenge tearing down 2 presses, crating 2 presses, uncrating 2 press and installing 2 presses, all at the same time. We are all set for training with Tony Palmer next week.
-
It's been a real challenge tearing down 2 presses, crating 2 presses, uncrating 2 press and installing 2 presses, all at the same time. We are all set for training with Tony Palmer next week.
ughhhh i'm getting ready to do the same thing, (tearing presses down for new presses), and not looking forward to it.
-
It's been a real challenge tearing down 2 presses, crating 2 presses, uncrating 2 press and installing 2 presses, all at the same time. We are all set for training with Tony Palmer next week.
ughhhh i'm getting ready to do the same thing, (tearing presses down for new presses), and not looking forward to it.
do tell! what are you getting? and why?
pierre
-
It's been a real challenge tearing down 2 presses, crating 2 presses, uncrating 2 press and installing 2 presses, all at the same time. We are all set for training with Tony Palmer next week.
ughhhh i'm getting ready to do the same thing, (tearing presses down for new presses), and not looking forward to it.
do tell! what are you getting? and why?
pierre
I'll post pics soon enough!!!
-
We had the pleasure of having Tony Palmer in the shop for the last 2 days for training. We had hoped to have him for a few more days but with the LB show this weekend it just didn't work out. He is coming back in mid February for a follow up. We spent a few days with Tony when we visited at SPSI last year and we quickly learned that he is know his sh!t inside and out. If you are purchasing a new MHM we highly recommend that a visit from Tony after install be part of the deal you make. If you have MHM and can't get things dialed in for some reason, hire him to come in and straighten things out. Dudes a wizard. He is a printer, not a salesman. He knows your language.
One of our focuses had been set up times. Our lead press ops helped Tony zero the heads to the CTS giving them a greater insight as how the system works and to get familiar with the micros. The initial zero isn't perfect and finding true zero for each head will take some time, but based on what we have seen so far, we do think we'll get there with in a month or two. While we don't expect that we wont ever have to touch a micro again we do think it will be rare. Time will tell. Our first couple of multi-color jobs were near dead on, which I personally didn't expect.
The micros: Pure butter. If you have never used their micros be sure to do it if you can. They are so smooth with zero resistance. Again, pure butter.
Our experience with SPSI and MHM so far have been outstanding and unless something drastically changes with their internal structure we doubt that will change.
It's WAY to early to render a final judgement but we are off to an amazing start.
-
We had the pleasure of having Tony Palmer in the shop for the last 2 days for training. We had hoped to have him for a few more days but with the LB show this weekend it just didn't work out. He is coming back in mid February for a follow up. We spent a few days with Tony when we visited at SPSI last year and we quickly learned that he is know his sh!t inside and out. If you are purchasing a new MHM we highly recommend that a visit from Tony after install be part of the deal you make. If you have MHM and can't get things dialed in for some reason, hire him to come in and straighten things out. Dudes a wizard. He is a printer, not a salesman. He knows your language.
One of our focuses had been set up times. Our lead press ops helped Tony zero the heads to the CTS giving them a greater insight as how the system works and to get familiar with the micros. The initial zero isn't perfect and finding true zero for each head will take some time, but based on what we have seen so far, we do think we'll get there with in a month or two. While we don't expect that we wont ever have to touch a micro again we do think it will be rare. Time will tell. Our first couple of multi-color jobs were near dead on, which I personally didn't expect.
The micros: Pure butter. If you have never used their micros be sure to do it if you can. They are so smooth with zero resistance. Again, pure butter.
Our experience with SPSI and MHM so far have been outstanding and unless something drastically changes with their internal structure we doubt that will change.
It's WAY to early to render a final judgement but we are off to an amazing start.
that sounds promising! Good luck with your new presses, keep us posted!
pierre
-
The first few days of printing went slow but with good results. They definitely print differently that the ROQ and M&R so it's going to take some time to adjust.
We stated with some small 3-4 color jobs. The first required a few small micros. The next 2 jobs when in the same heads and we didn't have to tough a micro. They were dead nuts on. That's pretty impressive and we are hoping that holds true for the future. We have a bunch of simprocess stuff coming up next week and we're hoping to get most of the heads to true zero.
-
For those interested.... We are getting real close to zero micro. We just set up 8 screens on the 14 color press, hit sample and only had to micro one of them, which happened to be one that we haven't printed with yet. On the 10 color press we haven't touched a micro in 5 days.... mostly 3-5 color jobs. We are almost there!
-
That's awesome! Hoping Brett will post some info on his X-Type when he gets in dialed in as well. That press is more in my wheel house for my budget. Everyone at SPSI has been super helpful and responsive with my questions. Such a difference from Hirsch.
-
I've seen a large number of shops bail on the Roq machines....what's the dilly? nobody is saying a word on WHY...
-
I've seen a large number of shops bail on the Roq machines....what's the dilly? nobody is saying a word on WHY...
Noticed several now myself. Seems big hush hush.
MHM doing well is great and I support that. I told them 11 years ago id never even blink in their direction because of Hirsch. I think they will do infinitely better as a result of getting away from them.
-
I've seen a large number of shops bail on the Roq machines....what's the dilly? nobody is saying a word on WHY...
Noticed several now myself. Seems big hush hush.
MHM doing well is great and I support that. I told them 11 years ago id never even blink in their direction because of Hirsch. I think they will do infinitely better as a result of getting away from them.
I also have been thinking the same thing, there can't be a large qty. out there , and I see a lot of used coming up for sale.
-
This is totally speculation, I don't have any confirmed information to back this up; but to my understanding(as of 2 weeks ago) there have only 2 shops that switched. The others have sold off screen printing/gone out of business/got in over their heads.
Not really surprising though considering when they had the "rent" a machine option. Someone could hop into a automatic for so cheap with pretty much no downside if they failed 4 or 8 months down the line....
-
That's awesome! Hoping Brett will post some info on his X-Type when he gets in dialed in as well. That press is more in my wheel house for my budget. Everyone at SPSI has been super helpful and responsive with my questions. Such a difference from Hirsch.
I can definitely post my experience so far and have been planning on doing so. Just not sure if I want to "hi-jack" this thread or create a new one.
-
I've seen a large number of shops bail on the Roq machines....what's the dilly? nobody is saying a word on WHY...
I'd like my next press to be either MHM or Roq and the only thing I can really say is that the folks at SPSI are way more responsive. While I do like Ryonet, they seem to be going through some growing pains keeping tabs on the demand for the Roq machines. That's my own speculation but who knows.
-
Reece Supply https://www.reecesupply.com/ (https://www.reecesupply.com/) has now become a distributor of the ROQ. I thought that was interesting.
-
Reece Supply https://www.reecesupply.com/ (https://www.reecesupply.com/) has now become a distributor of the ROQ. I thought that was interesting.
So has Vastex and Advanced Screen
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
I believe they're just partnering with Ryonet. I've contacted Vastex directly and they just forwarded me to a Ryonet rep.
-
I believe they're just partnering with Ryonet. I've contacted Vastex directly and they just forwarded me to a Ryonet rep.
Ah ok.
I just watched the video on insta. That’s a nice print for 0 micros. Living the dream..
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Tubelite is selling ROQs now too.
I am not aware of anyone else making the switch from ROQ to MHM but that doesn't that there aren't any. We have fielded a number of calls and messages from ROQ owners who have had similar experiences as ours with Ryonet and ROQ. As they consider upgrading to larger presses that are having reservations, as we did. We have also talked to a lot of people about what new press they should buy. We would never say don't buy a ROQ. Decisions like these should be researched.
We are on the verge of near zero micros. We just ran a job this morning. Imaged on the Douthitt CTS, 6 screens, ZERO micros. We have done a bunch of multi-colors jobs with out touching a micro. This combo is impressive if you take the time to dial everything in.
A short video on the install I just finished.
https://youtu.be/oKuBwMuedfk
-
I've seen a large number of shops bail on the Roq machines....what's the dilly? nobody is saying a word on WHY...
Obviously 40mm here with 2 autos but can you provide a list of the large shops you are referring to? Or any other shops that have traded in ROQs? For those of us not in the know it would be nice to have know who you are talking about.
-
I've seen a large number of shops bail on the Roq machines....what's the dilly? nobody is saying a word on WHY...
Noticed several now myself. Seems big hush hush.
MHM doing well is great and I support that. I told them 11 years ago id never even blink in their direction because of Hirsch. I think they will do infinitely better as a result of getting away from them.
I also have been thinking the same thing, there can't be a large qty. out there , and I see a lot of used coming up for sale.
Can you send links to al these used machines? I did a search on digismith and found 1 You machine posted since September. Is there another place to look?
-
JEPAUL just follow digitsmith. I too have seen more than normal go through that site in the last few months. Something is up or people wouldn't be jumping ship.
-
JEPAUL just follow digitsmith. I too have seen more than normal go through that site in the last few months. Something is up or people wouldn't be jumping ship.
most of the ones on digitsmith are from shops going out of business, or closing their screen printing facility.
-
JEPAUL just follow digitsmith. I too have seen more than normal go through that site in the last few months. Something is up or people wouldn't be jumping ship.
I follow it. Weekly.
Maybe I look in the wrong place. I can only find two since August that includes 40mm which are already sold.
http://www.digitsmith.com/search.php?searchid=2417771
-
I told them 11 years ago id never even blink in their direction because of Hirsch. I think they will do infinitely better as a result of getting away from them.
They’ve got a new guy to ruin their reputation now, his name is Jon Potter.
The presses look fast and I’m watching them closely. First auto was a ROQ and yeah, the support has left a lot to be desired.
But when I emailed MHM for an unedited video of changeovers in a real shop they said they’d send one and never did despite me following up.
Danny’s changeover video is still the fastest I’ve seen in a real shop but these MHM presses look fast too. They talk a lot of game about shops doing fast changeovers so someone just needs to hold a phone up for 10min. Not sure what the problem is.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
CBCB, what does that mean, a new guy to ruin their reputation? John has done really well in the UK with MHM.
Are you saying that the editing of the video is not honest?
I know nothing about Roque machines, how good they are, etc.
I do know that they managed to do really well in the USA with aggressive marketing and unreal financing.
MHM in my opinion, and I own two, is a much better built machine.
The S type is incredibly well built and the way the screens move up and down and not the all the printing pallettes adds to accuracy and reliability.
I know that there were a lot of complains about Hirch's service but I think that with SPSI MHM will rebuild the American market.
They have a added bonus in Tony Palmer, I met him at Long Beach and he's knowledge of printing and MHM is incredible.
I'd better stop here, you'll think I'm paid by MHM which I am not, I just love my machine. Anyone who has used a S Type and got used to the sound of the pin locking will understand what I am saying.
Let's not turn this in a Green/Blue war.
I recently got a Douthitt, soon I will be testing the registraton with the MHM, I'll keep you all informed of my progess.
-
Danny is the man when it comes to dialing things in and getting maximum efficiency. No doubt his set up times are wicked fast. I also don't think that anyone has gone to the lengths that Danny has to get to that point.
Cory, I am very surprised you can't see past the green. You're a smart guy, and I do appreciate your enthusiasm for the brand you love, but you sound like a child when you start talking smack the way you do. You should really save that for your FB alias.
I'm sure that you have seen my zero micro set up videos on FB yet you still doubt that MHM's have wickedly fast set ups. Screens, squeegee's and flood bars go in just as fast and easy as the ROQ's. Inking up? Just as fast. The only difference is clamps and reg board vs pins. Better than a video... come to our shop and work for a couple of days. That offer actually goes out to anyone that is interested.
-
CBCB, what does that mean, a new guy to ruin their reputation? John has done really well in the UK with MHM.
Are you saying that the editing of the video is not honest?
I know nothing about Roque machines, how good they are, etc.
Yeah, that Jon guy has been a jerk to me and I’m confident his attitude is preventing me from getting info on the machines.
I’m not saying anything about the honesty of the video. I can’t form an opinion on something when only edited footage exists.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Danny is the man when it comes to dialing things in and getting maximum efficiency. No doubt his set up times are wicked fast. I also don't think that anyone has gone to the lengths that Danny has to get to that point.
Cory, I am very surprised you can't see past the green. You're a smart guy, and I do appreciate your enthusiasm for the brand you love, but you sound like a child when you start talking smack the way you do. You should really save that for your FB alias.
I'm sure that you have seen my zero micro set up videos on FB yet you still doubt that MHM's have wickedly fast set ups. Screens, squeegee's and flood bars go in just as fast and easy as the ROQ's. Inking up? Just as fast. The only difference is clamps and reg board vs pins. Better than a video... come to our shop and work for a couple of days. That offer actually goes out to anyone that is interested.
I’m trying to see past the green.
I don’t doubt that the setups are fast. I have seen the fast micro videos but I am wanting to see it in a real shop. Not on a tradeshow flow. Not just unclamping the screens and resetting them.
Are you Jon Potter? You sound exactly like him with the ‘come to a shop and see’ so I’ll clarify something for you. You said I’m smart (I’m not) so please give this some thought.
If the changeovers are so fast then somebody PLEASE put a phone up for 10min between jobs.
That is so much far easier than me flying literally anywhere.
And I’ll say this about Roq. I’ve answered this many many times in private when asked about my choice. I was vary wary of the strong marketing and then got absolutely boned on my install.
The reason I went green is because I saw shops I respect flipping to green presses. We do many jobs under 100 pieces and the unedited crappy videos filmed by a rep visiting his shop were the fastest setups i could actually see.
I don’t doubt anything that’s why I am trying to validate the claims. I keep getting told to fly to other countries to see something that COULD be shown in minutes... if the claims are true.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
There's a couple videos out there on how fast and accurate a dialed in MHM/Douthitt combo can be. Here's a link to a couple:
https://www.facebook.com/bgnord/videos/10220999306602850/ (https://www.facebook.com/bgnord/videos/10220999306602850/)
https://www.facebook.com/SPSIINC/videos/197663248036291/ (https://www.facebook.com/SPSIINC/videos/197663248036291/)
They're not full setups (setting in squeegees, floodbars, etc.) but can see the colors haven't been printed yet. I'll do one once I get my heads zeroed out.
Cory, I think you're a smart guy, and I also think Bryce is a smart guy. Lets not let the color of our presses allow us to throw shade at one another and turn this into a convo that mirrors the current state of US politics (or any politics for that matter). We've all got experiences that have led us to where we are. Our experiences with any person (Jon Potter, Ryan Moor, etc.) or supplier (SPSI, Ryonet, Hirsch, etc.) wont' be the same. I think we need to understand that anyone that has a piece of equipment is going to be more partial to it due to the fact they invested in it and our livelihoods depend on it. Hell, I had an Anatol....still do....anyone want to buy it?!?! It's a good press. I'll divulge in my post on why I switched things up in my shop.
I'm still getting everything dialed in on mine and have only run a handful of jobs. I will second Bryce's comment on the macros being like butter. There is no play in them whatsoever. Getting the heads "zeroed" is also incredibly easy. I ran a 4-color job on Saturday and had to touch the micros for the back. I setup the screens to have both the front left chest and full back on opposite ends. Once I was done with the back I simply flipped the screens around, did a test print, and everything lined up 100%. I was ecstatic. By far the fastest I've ever set up a job.
As far a Jon Potter he's been nothing but helpful for me. I'm definitely a "small fish" in terms of shops, but he's taken time out of his day to talk with me for over an hour on the benefits and differences of MHM presses. The guy isn't even making anything off my sale and he's responded to every FB message I've sent. I wouldn't say he's ruining any reputation but trying to salvage it in the US from the shambles Hirsch left it in. I am scratching my head and wondering how Hirsch sat on this good of equipment and managed to keep their features and build quality under the radar.
Another word of advice - If you go to MHM either get all your screens with the cups welded on, send your statics to GSF to get them welded on, or use the pins for Rollers. I have about 20 statics I drilled the plastic cups into. I was 1/16th of an inch off center which you think wouldn't matter - it does. Luckily, I've got 150 rollers to use and I'll just use the statics on single color jobs. Rob Soat, the tech for MHM/SPSI, got it straightened out for me when he was here.
-
Please read my comments in a different tone. I’ve am not throwing shade on your press or decision.
I’m a small fish too. I’m confident that there are a lot of people smarter than me. I don’t think you made your decision lightly.
I mentioned Jon by name because he was a jerk to me. I sent MHM an email because I felt he was interfering with my ability to see the presses in action.
One time I asked for info about a squeegee cutter and he replied to several people saying to email him directly. I suggested he just post the info in the thread and save people some time. He got pissed and said he was going to send us all free ones but changed his mind because of my reply. It’s a $20 tool. I respect our industry as a whole, it’s better for me to just go buy it than someone ship across the pond out of their own pocket anyway. Appreciate the gesture but it shows a lack of efficiency on its own.
I’ve seen all those videos I just want to see a simple changeover in a real shop.
Danny offered $10,000 to anyone who can post a video of a faster setup. Jon Potter told him to donate it to charity.
So I’ll say it again. Why doesn’t someone hold their phone up for a couple minutes and donate the money to charity themselves?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
CBCB, you didn't only mention John by name you wrote:
They’ve got a new guy to ruin their reputation now, his name is Jon Potter.
Maybe you should think twice before you make comments like that on a open forum like this.
We now understand that you had a personal problem with him.
The John Potter I know is a really nice and knowledable guy.
-
What kind of money are people spending to get screens with welded cups?
-
CBCB, you didn't only mention John by name you wrote:
They’ve got a new guy to ruin their reputation now, his name is Jon Potter.
Maybe you should think twice before you make comments like that on a open forum like this.
We now understand that you had a personal problem with him.
The John Potter I know is a really nice and knowledable guy.
I have a business problem with Jon Potter. I reached out to MHM directly to get the info I need to make a decision on my next press.
He made it personal my sending me a personal message on Facebook. And then my communication with MHM mysteriously stopped. Strange coincidence.
EDIT: and now, today my phone has a bunch of calls from England which I can only assume is MHM. So my communication has mysteriously started again. Strange coincidence.
-
What kind of money are people spending to get screens with welded cups?
I "think" we were at $16 per screen, 425 screens total so it ain't cheap.
-
What kind of money are people spending to get screens with welded cups?
I "think" we were at $16 per screen, 425 screens total so it ain't cheap.
Any idea what the pins cost for rollers? Wasn’t sure if you saw the pricing during your conversion or not.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Yeah, I have no idea what the cost is for rollers. Sorry!
-
Yeah, I have no idea what the cost is for rollers. Sorry!
All good. This conversion has been interesting to watch and has me seriously considering MHM for our next upgrade/move. The dudes at Monster Press have a big hand in that for us as well.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Lots of blood, sweat and tears to make this happen but overall it's been a very good experience. The ROQs are shipping out on Wednesday so I'll finally get shop space back :)
-
What kind of money are people spending to get screens with welded cups?
I "think" we were at $16 per screen, 425 screens total so it ain't cheap.
Thanks.
-
It's $7 per pin for roller frames. $28 per frame. That's from SPSI. They're $8.50/ea. directly from Stretch Devices. Not cheap either. I'm sure if all works out with setup times cost in savings on labor alone would pay for them in no time.
I had to get some for 60 of my screens. I found some M3 rollers in good condition WITH MHM pins for $27/ea. I got a steal on those. Pins are made for the M3 only and NOT the ultralights.
Sent from my HD1905 using Tapatalk
-
I'm sure if all works out with setup times cost in savings on labor alone would pay for them in no time.
Agreed! Even when we have to ship them into Canada. That’s why I’m so interested in verifying the claims.
Would take someone 10mins and earn them $10k off Danny! Haha. Now THAT would pay for some pins.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
It's $7 per pin for roller frames. $28 per frame. That's from SPSI. They're $8.50/ea. directly from Stretch Devices. Not cheap either. I'm sure if all works out with setup times cost in savings on labor alone would pay for them in no time.
I had to get some for 60 of my screens. I found some M3 rollers in good condition WITH MHM pins for $27/ea. I got a steal on those. Pins are made for the M3 only and NOT the ultralights.
Sent from my HD1905 using Tapatalk
Good to know. All of our frames are ultralights
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Is it possible to get EZ frames with the cups welded or is that a big pain in the ass? I'm really liking those frames and don't want to switch.
-
Is it possible to get EZ frames with the cups welded or is that a big pain in the ass? I'm really liking those frames and don't want to switch.
I don't think so. I think the cups would interfere with changing mesh BUT I would double check that with SPSI
-
I have a business problem with Jon Potter. I reached out to MHM directly to get the info I need to make a decision on my next press.
He made it personal my sending me a personal message on Facebook. And then my communication with MHM mysteriously stopped. Strange coincidence.
EDIT: and now, today my phone has a bunch of calls from England which I can only assume is MHM. So my communication has mysteriously started again. Strange coincidence.
Jon probably wanted to have an adult conversation with you but based on what I have seen here, and on facebook, that's not likely to ever happen.
-
I have a business problem with Jon Potter. I reached out to MHM directly to get the info I need to make a decision on my next press.
He made it personal my sending me a personal message on Facebook. And then my communication with MHM mysteriously stopped. Strange coincidence.
EDIT: and now, today my phone has a bunch of calls from England which I can only assume is MHM. So my communication has mysteriously started again. Strange coincidence.
Jon probably wanted to have an adult conversation with you but based on what I have seen here, and on facebook, that's not likely to ever happen.
If I am not mistaken, wasn't Jon behind constantly crap talking M&R on Instagram for a period of time? Correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure it was him. He's always been cool to me so ill be cool to him.
-
Jon probably wanted to have an adult conversation with you but based on what I have seen here, and on facebook, that's not likely to ever happen.
Agreed, he’s been pretty childish so far.
My email is open and still waiting for a reply from MHM.
Here is my last email to MHM that went has no reply since Nov 18. Right around the same day I got a message from Jon on Facebook.
“Thanks.
I have seen lots of claims that there are shops doing these huge changeovers every day, all day. So I imagined someone would be able to hold up a phone for the five minutes and show it in action. I hope you can understand that some skepticism has to go along with any claim. It should only take 5-10 minutes in a working shop to show how changeovers look in the real world.
I have seen ROQ shops switching over to MHM recently. One of the biggest red flags for us about M&R was how many shops were switching over to ROQ instead of staying with M&R. So seeing shops switch to MHM brings up the same curiousity.
So when considering our new press I am heavily considering MHM.
I appreciate you taking the time to look into this. I see Jon Potter making claims that they are the fastest presses for changeovers, but when people ask him to prove it he gets pissed off and tells people to fly to England and see it themselves. If you can appreciate the efficiency of a fast changeover surely you can appreciate how ridiculously inefficient it is to suggest travelling overseas.
I saw someone tell Jon Potter they would pay $10,000 USD to anyone beating their changeover times on a ROQ. Jon told him he should keep his money and donate it to charity.
My thinking was this: why not hold a phone up for five minutes, win the bet, and donate the money to charity yourself?
I tried to ask Jon Potter this myself but he has blocked me on Facebook and requested I be removed from an industry group! So on a side note I'm hoping you have different sales people available then the ones I've been interacting with.
To clarify here I'm not looking for the record-breaker video here, just would love to see footage that's in a real shop, not a tradeshow floor. With real time, not edited down.
Talk soon! Thanks again,”
—-
How can I have a conversation when he’s got me blocked?
He unblocked me for a few minutes after i sent this message to say “LOL”. Not sure what’s adult about this.
Keeping in mind I really am the child here age wise...
-
How long before he requests I’m banned from this forum, too?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200204/164aef239ef53d06b6a8358db6fd11dc.jpg)
I am not a doubter. I just think it’d be easier to prove the claims than to call me a doubter or paint me green.
It only makes me wonder if something is being hidden when it’s so much easier to prove your claim than to run around discrediting me.
-
"If I am not mistaken, wasn't Jon behind constantly crap talking M&R on Instagram for a period of time? Correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure it was him. He's always been cool to me so ill be cool to him".
Hey Brandt, I have many friends at Big Blue, I think you may be mistaken. Peter Walsh VP will verify my long standing friendship with M&R. Both companies have a great mutual respect.
-
Jon probably wanted to have an adult conversation with you but based on what I have seen here, and on facebook, that's not likely to ever happen.
Agreed, he’s been pretty childish so far.
You obviously know I was talking about you, not Jon. I'm done feeding the troll.
-
Welcome to the club MHMJP!
-
"If I am not mistaken, wasn't Jon behind constantly crap talking M&R on Instagram for a period of time? Correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure it was him. He's always been cool to me so ill be cool to him".
Hey Brandt, I have many friends at Big Blue, I think you may be mistaken. Peter Walsh VP will verify my long standing friendship with M&R. Both companies have a great mutual respect.
Fair enough, my apologies. But lets be clear someone on team MHM was slinging a crap ton of drama M&R's way on Insta a few years back.
-
"If I am not mistaken, wasn't Jon behind constantly crap talking M&R on Instagram for a period of time? Correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure it was him. He's always been cool to me so ill be cool to him".
Hey Brandt, I have many friends at Big Blue, I think you may be mistaken. Peter Walsh VP will verify my long standing friendship with M&R. Both companies have a great mutual respect.
I've always find it a little disappointing when a thread takes a turn towards the negative and/or it becomes personally focused on an individual. With that said the cause of the misdirection is more often not anyone's bad intent, but rather the loyalty that they have for the companies and brands that they've chosen to work with. For example, there are people on this Forum who will tell you that one brand of equipment, inks, or screen chemistry is the best on the planet, while other people will post that they are absolute crap. How can the same equipment or supplies be so great for one person and yet so bad for someone else?
For what it's worth Jon Potter is a personal friend and someone who I admire greatly for what he and his company have done to build the garment decorating industry in the United Kingdom, working with brands that include MHM, Tesoma, Brother, Vastex, Sericol and others. For all the success that Jon has had working with these brands I'm convinced that he could have had similar or greater success working with M&R. On a positive note it looks like this thread has pulled Jon out of the shadows and I hope he becomes a regular contributor to the TSB forums.
-
Tim Forman was slinging some crap just before we bought our first ROQ 5 years ago. It was so bad that we immediately walked over to the Ryonet booth and purchased the ROQ. It was that bad.
-
Jon probably wanted to have an adult conversation with you but based on what I have seen here, and on facebook, that's not likely to ever happen.
Agreed, he’s been pretty childish so far.
My email is open and still waiting for a reply from MHM.
Here is my last email to MHM that went has no reply since Nov 18. Right around the same day I got a message from Jon on Facebook.
“Thanks.
I have seen lots of claims that there are shops doing these huge changeovers every day, all day. So I imagined someone would be able to hold up a phone for the five minutes and show it in action. I hope you can understand that some skepticism has to go along with any claim. It should only take 5-10 minutes in a working shop to show how changeovers look in the real world.
I have seen ROQ shops switching over to MHM recently. One of the biggest red flags for us about M&R was how many shops were switching over to ROQ instead of staying with M&R. So seeing shops switch to MHM brings up the same curiousity.
So when considering our new press I am heavily considering MHM.
I appreciate you taking the time to look into this. I see Jon Potter making claims that they are the fastest presses for changeovers, but when people ask him to prove it he gets pissed off and tells people to fly to England and see it themselves. If you can appreciate the efficiency of a fast changeover surely you can appreciate how ridiculously inefficient it is to suggest travelling overseas.
I saw someone tell Jon Potter they would pay $10,000 USD to anyone beating their changeover times on a ROQ. Jon told him he should keep his money and donate it to charity.
My thinking was this: why not hold a phone up for five minutes, win the bet, and donate the money to charity yourself?
I tried to ask Jon Potter this myself but he has blocked me on Facebook and requested I be removed from an industry group! So on a side note I'm hoping you have different sales people available then the ones I've been interacting with.
To clarify here I'm not looking for the record-breaker video here, just would love to see footage that's in a real shop, not a tradeshow floor. With real time, not edited down.
Talk soon! Thanks again,”
—-
How can I have a conversation when he’s got me blocked?
He unblocked me for a few minutes after i sent this message to say “LOL”. Not sure what’s adult about this.
Keeping in mind I really am the child here age wise...
Hi Cory
Unfortunately 1964GN is referring to yourself as being childish, not me.
You may not be aware (as you previously stated I was just a 'rep') that I am actually in charge of MHM's complete North American operation. I have been involved with MHM worldwide for almost 25 years, from design and development of the equipment to the appointment and training of dealers worldwide. My total involvement in the Textile Machinery industry began in 1988.
As you stated previously your little dispute started when you were extremely rude to me regarding a simple pair of squeegee cutters. As you stated in a previous post above, I posted a picture of these cutters and asked folks to message me if interested. You then posted a DEMAND that I just immediately tell the three people who replied where to buy them from rather than them message me. You were extremely rude. As you also pointed out, I was going to send these guys a free pair via UPS for a bit of fun. We do that kind of thing, it makes friends. When I called you out for being extremely rude you then embarked on your mission to troll every post that I made on Facebook ever since. As I told you at the time, we don't deal with people who are very rude and have no manners, and it's not my fault that you don't know how to cut squeegee rubber. Normally if you want help then normal people would be polite, especially to someone they don't know.
So again, you've never met me, you know nothing about me (clearly) and you've never spoken to me. But you're constantly spouting the outrageous bullshit above. Brett Iverson has already posted an unedited video of Pete Junior and myself setting up a job at Long Beach, yet you still keep asking to see a video. You also keep complaining that no one calls you and that by some coincidence communication has stopped. This was not a coincidence, I instructed my USA dealer not to deal with someone who is a known troll and is basically rude and simply trying to cause trouble. I informed them of your profile which makes obvious your behaviour and skill level.
Then yesterday you said that by some coincidence that communication had resumed and you had received a bunch of calls from MHM, yet you never picked up the phone to one of them. That was me calling you to offer an olive branch and see what I could do to assist you and end this tedious and boring game you are playing.
Danny Gruninger and I also spent a little time together at Long Beach discussing set-up systems. Danny and I get along just fine and I enjoyed speaking to someone who has a great mind. What you don't know is that we enjoy a bit of banter, poking fun at each other online, but its all done with friendliness in mind and we laugh about things quite often. We also make clear that no one is trying to offend the other, this is what grown ups do, especially two people who are both experts in the industry.
We give a damn about our customers, we are fortunate enough to be very successful in many countries around the world. We don't play games and we don't get involved with trolls. When you would like to discuss the presses properly and in a businesslike fashion then please feel free to contact me directly.
Until then, I would suggest you be careful making personal comments on a public forum which are clearly aimed at deformation of someones character, someone you've never even met or spoken to.
-
Well, I for one am glad that you found us Jon, though I wish it had been under other circumstances.
I will say that I have been gratified by the times that a public "calling out" has greased the wheels and settled a long simmering problem. On the other hand, we walk a fine line here trying to not let the place degrade into a battlefield. Messy squabbles elsewhere involving equipment manufacturers and sellers was one of the main reasons for the creation of The Shirt Board
So, bottom line, I think that we have now heard both sides of the story, and many here probably are a lot less interested than the two major players are.
So, let's see if we can now proceed in a less personal direction, and....play nice.
-
So, let's see if we can now proceed in a less personal direction, and....play nice.
Come on dude I was about to send a link to RDUBYABEEE on this. Have a good old fashion Royal Rumble.
-
not to derail this interesting read but what is the purpose of the welded cups?
Is that specific to MHM presses? I remember being at a shop years ago that had those but I thought it was to do with table printing.
-
Hi Cory
Unfortunately 1964GN is referring to yourself as being childish, not me.
You may not be aware (as you previously stated I was just a 'rep') that I am actually in charge of MHM's complete North American operation. I have been involved with MHM worldwide for almost 25 years, from design and development of the equipment to the appointment and training of dealers worldwide. My total involvement in the Textile Machinery industry began in 1988.
As you stated previously your little dispute started when you were extremely rude to me regarding a simple pair of squeegee cutters. As you stated in a previous post above, I posted a picture of these cutters and asked folks to message me if interested. You then posted a DEMAND that I just immediately tell the three people who replied where to buy them from rather than them message me. You were extremely rude. As you also pointed out, I was going to send these guys a free pair via UPS for a bit of fun. We do that kind of thing, it makes friends. When I called you out for being extremely rude you then embarked on your mission to troll every post that I made on Facebook ever since. As I told you at the time, we don't deal with people who are very rude and have no manners, and it's not my fault that you don't know how to cut squeegee rubber. Normally if you want help then normal people would be polite, especially to someone they don't know.
So again, you've never met me, you know nothing about me (clearly) and you've never spoken to me. But you're constantly spouting the outrageous bullshit above. Brett Iverson has already posted an unedited video of Pete Junior and myself setting up a job at Long Beach, yet you still keep asking to see a video. You also keep complaining that no one calls you and that by some coincidence communication has stopped. This was not a coincidence, I instructed my USA dealer not to deal with someone who is a known troll and is basically rude and simply trying to cause trouble. I informed them of your profile which makes obvious your behaviour and skill level.
Then yesterday you said that by some coincidence that communication had resumed and you had received a bunch of calls from MHM, yet you never picked up the phone to one of them. That was me calling you to offer an olive branch and see what I could do to assist you and end this tedious and boring game you are playing.
Danny Gruninger and I also spent a little time together at Long Beach discussing set-up systems. Danny and I get along just fine and I enjoyed speaking to someone who has a great mind. What you don't know is that we enjoy a bit of banter, poking fun at each other online, but its all done with friendliness in mind and we laugh about things quite often. We also make clear that no one is trying to offend the other, this is what grown ups do, especially two people who are both experts in the industry.
We give a damn about our customers, we are fortunate enough to be very successful in many countries around the world. We don't play games and we don't get involved with trolls. When you would like to discuss the presses properly and in a businesslike fashion then please feel free to contact me directly.
Until then, I would suggest you be careful making personal comments on a public forum which are clearly aimed at deformation of someones character, someone you've never even met or spoken to.
That was MY thread asking about the tool. I made the thread myself. You replied to several people saying to email you directly. I suggested you just post the info. I disagree that I was rude, it was an effort to save you time and help get your info out. And clearly I remember the situation better than you do if you think I jumped on your thread and was rude to you. It was you leaving unhelpful comments. It would have taken you less time to just say what you wanted to say than to leave separate comments and then have us reply to separate emails. That was my point but you missed it.
I've already reached out to someone else at MHM because I don't like your approach.
You're right, I didn't know you're in charge. Now it all makes sense why I never got the info promised from Steve. Did you tell him not to bother following up with me?
But you took time on the tradeshow flow to 'silence the doubters' or whatever comment you made. Why don't you just take a couple minutes and prove your claims already? You've spent way more time talking crap to me then it would take to show a changeover.
And Danny even bet you $10,000 on a public forum. And you took the pompous stance of telling him to donate it to charity. So again I'll ask you directly, why don't YOU donate it it to charity? You claim that I can fly to shops and see it for myself like you have. Why don't YOU hold your phone up for a couple minutes. Why don't YOU donate the $10k to charity when you win?
Instead you expect me to fly to England. True masters of efficiency.
No one here is feeding the trolls. If you post something that is blatantly wrong I'm going to correct it. If there's an elephant in the room like that MHM still has immature jerks working for them (my opinion) then I'm going to say it.
If this is a 'positive only' board then I missed the memo. Move this to the cage so that people don't have to be ambiguous when they call people childish or trolls.
-
not to derail this interesting read but what is the purpose of the welded cups?
Is that specific to MHM presses? I remember being at a shop years ago that had those but I thought it was to do with table printing.
Hi Rusty
They form part of the MHM Pin System. Each screen has four bushings (cups) which are screwed to the frame which then lock into the same position on the pre-registration unit/CTS and then on the press. The press them has a zero function on all the micros so that everything is dialled in. The screen becomes a cassette. Nowadays screen companies offer the cups already welded on in the correct position to save you the hassle.
-
not to derail this interesting read but what is the purpose of the welded cups?
Is that specific to MHM presses? I remember being at a shop years ago that had those but I thought it was to do with table printing.
Hi Rusty
They form part of the MHM Pin System. Each screen has four bushings (cups) which are screwed to the frame which then lock into the same position on the pre-registration unit/CTS and then on the press. The press them has a zero function on all the micros so that everything is dialled in. The screen becomes a cassette. Nowadays screen companies offer the cups already welded on in the correct position to save you the hassle.
Good to know. Thanks for clearing that up.
-
So, bottom line, I think that we have now heard both sides of the story, and many here probably are a lot less interested than the two major players are.
So, let's see if we can now proceed in a less personal direction, and....play nice.
It really rubs me the wrong way when people post things that are blatantly wrong.
Here's the thread that Jon said he made... and that I was rude on apparently. He commented to email him and I requested he just post the info for efficiency's sake.
(https://i.imgur.com/8PAQK7q.png)
I can't see his comments because he has blocked me.
If you want to see both sides of the story then tell Jon to unblock me so I can post my comments, or to post his example of me being rude himself.
I am constantly posting about my love for efficiency and reducing waste in our industry.
In my opinion I think our industry doesn't need someone who spreads misinformation and deny requests to back up claims.
I want faster setups. If the setups are faster then lets see. Someone has offered you 10k and it's literally his job to answer these questions.
But he spends his day trying to take the high road or paint me to be a jerk.
It's him who blocked me after pointing out how much more efficient it would be FOR HIM to just reply with the info in my thread. But here he is trying to paint a picture of me coming into his thread and being rude when it was the opposite.
Drives me nuts. Of course I'm going to reply to this thread. You're not feeding the trolls I'm just correcting the blatantly wrong FACTS that I see. I have never said ROQ was better, I had probably the worst install of all time and our setups are nowhere Danny's.
So when someone says we can get faster setups with less calibration then I definitely want to see that. That's not someone's opinion being presented it's being presented as a fact so I would like to see it verified. And it's way easier to verify and sell me a press than to spend all this time challenging me.
Hold the phone up.
-
How long before he requests I’m banned from this forum, too?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200204/164aef239ef53d06b6a8358db6fd11dc.jpg)
I am not a doubter. I just think it’d be easier to prove the claims than to call me a doubter or paint me green.
It only makes me wonder if something is being hidden when it’s so much easier to prove your claim than to run around discrediting me.
no clue, but posting a private message on this forum got you banned from the other one.
ps the logo at the top says no trolls. someone ban this troll.
have a nice day.
-
We have been running MHM presses with a Exile Spyder DTS for 4-5 years.
Going from Film and Javelin presses to a DTS plus MHM's has been a unbelievable increase in efficiency. Our presses are about 3 times more productive now.
Our average order size is about 52 shirts, so changeover speed is huge for us.
I dont know alot about the roq presses, but from the outside looking in I think there are 2 differences - there are pins on the screens and the squeegees lift out. For us both those things are huge. We use mostly plastisol ink, so we leave our squeegees in and arrange our jobs in order of print color so we don't swap our squeegees all that often.
As far as changeover times it really depends on the job, but it ranges anywhere from 30 seconds to 15 minutes depending on the complexity of the job.
-
How long before he requests I’m banned from this forum, too?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200204/164aef239ef53d06b6a8358db6fd11dc.jpg)
I am not a doubter. I just think it’d be easier to prove the claims than to call me a doubter or paint me green.
It only makes me wonder if something is being hidden when it’s so much easier to prove your claim than to run around discrediting me.
no clue, but posting a private message on this forum got you banned from the other one.
ps the logo at the top says no trolls. someone ban this troll.
have a nice day.
Bet you Jon took time out of his day to snitch on me here too.
No one knew who that message was from until you claimed it.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Our average order size is about 52 shirts, so changeover speed is huge for us.
I dont know alot about the roq presses, but from the outside looking in I think there are 2 differences - there are pins on the screens and the squeegees lift out. For us both those things are huge. We use mostly plastisol ink, so we leave our squeegees in and arrange our jobs in order of print color so we don't swap our squeegees all that often.
As far as changeover times it really depends on the job, but it ranges anywhere from 30 seconds to 15 minutes depending on the complexity of the job.
Exactly why I am so interested in these presses.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
I dont know alot about the roq presses, but from the outside looking in I think there are 2 differences - there are pins on the screens and the squeegees lift out. For us both those things are huge. We use mostly plastisol ink, so we leave our squeegees in and arrange our jobs in order of print color so we don't swap our squeegees all that often.
You can actually order the Roq's both ways, pins or not. Having owned MHM's and Roq's, I'm glad I didn't order ours with the pins.
Pin reg is a great step in the right direction but I still prefer 3 point. Takes things like mis-aligned/placed pins/wracked screens out of the
equation.
Also, with the way the heads lift, it's actually way easier on a Roq to swap screens and leave the squeegee than on an MHM.
We do that whenever possible as well, feels like cheating.
They're both great machines and more than capable of extremely fast setups/changeovers. The reality is that with few exceptions
most modern machines are. If you aren't getting the times you want, start with everything else before the machine. Those guys printing on
tables with pinned screens probably have the fastest changeovers haha.
For the drama seekers, if we really want to talk about hush hush conspiracy stuff that got swept under the rug, lets talk about M&R ovals.
-
So, let's see if we can now proceed in a less personal direction, and....play nice.
Come on dude I was about to send a link to RDUBYABEEE on this. Have a good old fashion Royal Rumble.
Where is the like button when you need one? Somebody should tell the moderators!
Pj
-
You can actually order the Roq's both ways, pins or not.
I don't think that true any more. They are no longer offering pin reg. If you want it it's a custom head build, and they will probably try and talk you out of it.
-
How long before he requests I’m banned from this forum, too?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200204/164aef239ef53d06b6a8358db6fd11dc.jpg)
I am not a doubter. I just think it’d be easier to prove the claims than to call me a doubter or paint me green.
It only makes me wonder if something is being hidden when it’s so much easier to prove your claim than to run around discrediting me.
no clue, but posting a private message on this forum got you banned from the other one.
ps the logo at the top says no trolls. someone ban this troll.
have a nice day.
Bet you Jon took time out of his day to snitch on me here too.
No one knew who that message was from until you claimed it.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
you are a dry snitch. go google that
-
i dont know when it became acceptable for people to go post parts of private conversations on social media / forums but it is not / will never be if you want to be anywhere close to having a conversation with me ever again. the end and bye.
-
You can actually order the Roq's both ways, pins or not.
I don't think that true any more. They are no longer offering pin reg. If you want it it's a custom head build, and they will probably try and talk you our of it.
They tried to talk me IN to custom heads to fit our MHM pins! Cost was pretty steep, and that was 5 years ago now....
End result with a little fiddling on reg pallet/fpu, our MHM and Roq's play along nicely.
-
not to derail this interesting read but what is the purpose of the welded cups?
Is that specific to MHM presses? I remember being at a shop years ago that had those but I thought it was to do with table printing.
Hey Rusty,
Jon explained it but here's a pic of how the cups and pins work.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200204/249c49627c958bb189c2b60a9630cff9.jpg)
Sent from my HD1905 using Tapatalk
-
i dont know when it became acceptable for people to go post parts of private conversations on social media / forums but it is not / will never be if you want to be anywhere close to having a conversation with me ever again. the end and bye.
Sorry again! I understand where you’re coming from now.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
You can actually order the Roq's both ways, pins or not.
I don't think that true any more. They are no longer offering pin reg. If you want it it's a custom head build, and they will probably try and talk you out of it.
Roq will build anything under certain requests..... Even presses with mhm heads lol.... They have roqs out there with mhm auto reg style heads on them just fyi
-
You can actually order the Roq's both ways, pins or not.
I don't think that true any more. They are no longer offering pin reg. If you want it it's a custom head build, and they will probably try and talk you out of it.
Roq will build anything under certain requests..... Even presses with mhm heads lol.... They have roqs out there with mhm auto reg style heads on them just fyi
Pinned from and back like MHM? Interesting.
-
Jumping in here as I saw a few posts(didn't read everything) that I wanted to add my 2 cents to. For whatever that's worth LOL...... It's such a huge bummer that these discussions always end up resembling press wars/personal attacks instead of real discussions that can help move the industry forward. Most people know me for helping the roq team out but the reality is I believe in a lot of the products and machines that other companies are building/selling. If I had my way I would take a lot of stuff from all of them to build what I think would be the ideal machine but the reality that I've seen is between mhm, roq, and m&r if you really focus on dialing in the foundation they give you then they will all be quite similar in terms of production. Our roq presses have ran, ran and ran without issues(one press is way north of 3 million prints) so we couldn't be more thrilled with them at this point but every shop will have varied levels of success depending on what they put into it. I spent a ton of time making our process what it is and feel I could do the same with mhm or m&r if I was given that opportunity but really I just wanted to jump in here and break the ice that I really wished people weren't looking for that green vs blue vs bluer as it really doesn't help our industry. If what Bryce and these guys at 40mm are doing with mhm is super successful I'm really glad they are sharing it as its only going to make the other guys come up with a better solution. Jon Potter has extended his hand to me on a few occasions now and I can confidently say I've gained a lot of respect for Jon and mhm as a brand over the last several months. I can only hope roq, mhm, m&r and whoever can put the press wars aside and realize the competition within the industry is healthy and there's a correct way about going about all the press discussions. So with all that said, please keep sharing your progress, what advantages and disadvantages your experiencing as imo its valuable information everyone can look into but everyone really should check their press war bullshit at the front door because it does nothing. Hell give me a brown or some off brand press and within a few months I bet I can make the bitch sing LOL......... but really guys, lets move the industry forward..... at the end of the day our clients are what matter and we should be using whatever technology can best service them...... that might be green, blue, bluer, pink, red, who fu*&kin cares anymore
8)
-
So, bottom line, I think that we have now heard both sides of the story, and many here probably are a lot less interested than the two major players are.
So, let's see if we can now proceed in a less personal direction, and....play nice.
It really rubs me the wrong way when people post things that are blatantly wrong.
Here's the thread that Jon said he made... and that I was rude on apparently. He commented to email him and I requested he just post the info for efficiency's sake.
(https://i.imgur.com/8PAQK7q.png)
I can't see his comments because he has blocked me.
If you want to see both sides of the story then tell Jon to unblock me so I can post my comments, or to post his example of me being rude himself.
I am constantly posting about my love for efficiency and reducing waste in our industry.
In my opinion I think our industry doesn't need someone who spreads misinformation and deny requests to back up claims.
I want faster setups. If the setups are faster then lets see. Someone has offered you 10k and it's literally his job to answer these questions.
But he spends his day trying to take the high road or paint me to be a jerk.
It's him who blocked me after pointing out how much more efficient it would be FOR HIM to just reply with the info in my thread. But here he is trying to paint a picture of me coming into his thread and being rude when it was the opposite.
Drives me nuts. Of course I'm going to reply to this thread. You're not feeding the trolls I'm just correcting the blatantly wrong FACTS that I see. I have never said ROQ was better, I had probably the worst install of all time and our setups are nowhere Danny's.
So when someone says we can get faster setups with less calibration then I definitely want to see that. That's not someone's opinion being presented it's being presented as a fact so I would like to see it verified. And it's way easier to verify and sell me a press than to spend all this time challenging me.
Hold the phone up.
At no point in my previous post did I state that I made the thread?
My post stated 'As you stated previously your little dispute started when you were extremely rude to me regarding a simple pair of squeegee cutters. As you stated in a previous post above, I posted a picture of these cutters and asked folks to message me if interested. You then posted a DEMAND that I just immediately tell the three people who replied where to buy them from rather than them message me.'
My post of the pic of squeegee cutters was a reply on your thread A YEAR AGO, it did not state otherwise. You clearly aren't reading/understanding things correctly. Who cares anyway? I would've sent you these for free just to help you if you hadn't been so rude.
Again once you are prepared to discuss matters in an adult and business-like fashion then please feel free to contact me directly. Until that point you need to be cautious in respect of what you write publicly regarding people you've never met or actually spoken to.
I feel everyone on here has already seen through this episode and are probably bored of it so maybe its time you gave up before embarrassing yourself any further. I blocked you on various forums so I didn't have to read or reply to such petty bullshit, its laughable. I'm not the one who's constantly posting, I've simply replied twice to your posts today, I blocked you many months ago as it was too ridiculous to waste any further time on. Surely your love of 'efficiency' might've led you to do the same?
I am trying to be respectful here, but its not me who's making online videos of how to educate printers in terms of efficiency but then making a post on the Facebook group 'SCREEN PRINT PROS' asking 'How do you cut squeegees - without it looking like a hack job'.
I don't feel I need to say anything further.
-
Jumping in here as I saw a few posts(didn't read everything) that I wanted to add my 2 cents to. For whatever that's worth LOL...... It's such a huge bummer that these discussions always end up resembling press wars/personal attacks instead of real discussions that can help move the industry forward. Most people know me for helping the roq team out but the reality is I believe in a lot of the products and machines that other companies are building/selling. If I had my way I would take a lot of stuff from all of them to build what I think would be the ideal machine but the reality that I've seen is between mhm, roq, and m&r if you really focus on dialing in the foundation they give you then they will all be quite similar in terms of production. Our roq presses have ran, ran and ran without issues(one press is way north of 3 million prints) so we couldn't be more thrilled with them at this point but every shop will have varied levels of success depending on what they put into it. I spent a ton of time making our process what it is and feel I could do the same with mhm or m&r if I was given that opportunity but really I just wanted to jump in here and break the ice that I really wished people weren't looking for that green vs blue vs bluer as it really doesn't help our industry. If what Bryce and these guys at 40mm are doing with mhm is super successful I'm really glad they are sharing it as its only going to make the other guys come up with a better solution. Jon Potter has extended his hand to me on a few occasions now and I can confidently say I've gained a lot of respect for Jon and mhm as a brand over the last several months. I can only hope roq, mhm, m&r and whoever can put the press wars aside and realize the competition within the industry is healthy and there's a correct way about going about all the press discussions. So with all that said, please keep sharing your progress, what advantages and disadvantages your experiencing as imo its valuable information everyone can look into but everyone really should check their press war bullshit at the front door because it does nothing. Hell give me a brown or some off brand press and within a few months I bet I can make the bitch sing LOL......... but really guys, lets move the industry forward..... at the end of the day our clients are what matter and we should be using whatever technology can best service them...... that might be green, blue, bluer, pink, red, who fu*&kin cares anymore
8)
Great comment Danny, the respect is mutual and hopefully this kind of thinking and diplomacy will bring us all together for the better. I tell my team to never lose sight of the fact that we should all be friends before competitors. Sharing knowledge is very gratifying and rewarding, we are here to help people be successful, that's the real goal.
-
Thanks for chiming in Danny. The press wars will continue as long as there are attention seekers. All of these presses can print money if you spend the time to dial in your processes. Most don't though.
-
not to derail this interesting read but what is the purpose of the welded cups?
Is that specific to MHM presses? I remember being at a shop years ago that had those but I thought it was to do with table printing.
Hey Rusty,
Jon explained it but here's a pic of how the cups and pins work.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200204/249c49627c958bb189c2b60a9630cff9.jpg)
Sent from my HD1905 using Tapatalk
Ah cool. Now I get it! I am not looking for a new press or anything but like most people in this industry I have a desire to know how everything is done/works/etc Thanks for sharing that pic I appreciate it. Knowledge is power. Like others have said lets move the industry forward.
-
Jumping in here as I saw a few posts(didn't read everything) that I wanted to add my 2 cents to. For whatever that's worth LOL...... It's such a huge bummer that these discussions always end up resembling press wars/personal attacks instead of real discussions that can help move the industry forward. Most people know me for helping the roq team out but the reality is I believe in a lot of the products and machines that other companies are building/selling. If I had my way I would take a lot of stuff from all of them to build what I think would be the ideal machine but the reality that I've seen is between mhm, roq, and m&r if you really focus on dialing in the foundation they give you then they will all be quite similar in terms of production. Our roq presses have ran, ran and ran without issues(one press is way north of 3 million prints) so we couldn't be more thrilled with them at this point but every shop will have varied levels of success depending on what they put into it. I spent a ton of time making our process what it is and feel I could do the same with mhm or m&r if I was given that opportunity but really I just wanted to jump in here and break the ice that I really wished people weren't looking for that green vs blue vs bluer as it really doesn't help our industry. If what Bryce and these guys at 40mm are doing with mhm is super successful I'm really glad they are sharing it as its only going to make the other guys come up with a better solution. Jon Potter has extended his hand to me on a few occasions now and I can confidently say I've gained a lot of respect for Jon and mhm as a brand over the last several months. I can only hope roq, mhm, m&r and whoever can put the press wars aside and realize the competition within the industry is healthy and there's a correct way about going about all the press discussions. So with all that said, please keep sharing your progress, what advantages and disadvantages your experiencing as imo its valuable information everyone can look into but everyone really should check their press war bullshit at the front door because it does nothing. Hell give me a brown or some off brand press and within a few months I bet I can make the bitch sing LOL......... but really guys, lets move the industry forward..... at the end of the day our clients are what matter and we should be using whatever technology can best service them...... that might be green, blue, bluer, pink, red, who fu*&kin cares anymore
8)
Great comment Danny, the respect is mutual and hopefully this kind of thinking and diplomacy will bring us all together for the better. I tell my team to never lose sight of the fact that we should all be friends before competitors. Sharing knowledge is very gratifying and rewarding, we are here to help people be successful, that's the real goal.
THANK YOU BOTH FOR THE COMMENTS!! WELL SAID!! Unfortunately the reality is there will always be the shops and entrepreneurs that know it all. I have been in this Industry for a few years and there is a need more than ever for wisdom and direction in most shops I have the opportunity to talk to. Press and equipment selection are important but whats more important is shop systems, flow, scheduling etc. That is what separates the men from the boys, The successful growth positioned shops from average. Someone once told me the customer doesn't know or care what his garments were printed on as long as they look great. That said a person should be buying equipment weather its blue, green, brown or purple based on the systems set -up to be ultra efficient. not all presses do the same thing, We put the horse ahead of the cart. You really cannot make or argue about a brand when all shops needs and industry position at the time vary. Like I said I have a few years under my belt and I am not still in this industry because of being closed minded and stuck. The industry is evolving and its still super exciting to be apart of that. just sayin man
-
New Challenge, Danny buys Brown Press does award winning prints on it and sets up as fast as other presses.
Can't fuxin' wait.
-
New Challenge, Danny buys Brown Press does award winning prints on it and sets up as fast as other presses.
Can't fuxin' wait.
Dude, I'll pitch in some cash for the press to make this happen!
-
At no point in my previous post did I state that I made the thread?
My post stated 'As you stated previously your little dispute started when you were extremely rude to me regarding a simple pair of squeegee cutters. As you stated in a previous post above, I posted a picture of these cutters and asked folks to message me if interested. You then posted a DEMAND that I just immediately tell the three people who replied where to buy them from rather than them message me.'
You're right I misunderstood. See how easy that is though? To admit when something is wrong? The way you didn't quote me threw me off, so when you said "I" I didn't realize you were quoting me. Always an opportunity for improvement.
But to my point, I asked how people cut squeegees on a forum and you reply for everyone to DM you where to buy them. My point was that it's not a contribution to the thread, and if you're selling something then it'd be easier for you to just post the link rather than make several people email you directly for it. It would have been more efficient for you than even leaving your comment and then answering the email later. Later someone posted that I could get a 'mitre shear' for $20 at a store local to me. So that's the solution I went with. I have NEVER claimed to be an expert at efficiency. I only share what is working. But holy crap did you ever miss my point. For the industry as a whole it's way better for you to post the link and for me to go the hardware store as another person suggested.
My post of the pic of squeegee cutters was a reply on your thread A YEAR AGO, it did not state otherwise. You clearly aren't reading/understanding things correctly. Who cares anyway? I would've sent you these for free just to help you if you hadn't been so rude.
This is the pompous 'high road' attitude and the reason I brought you up in this thread. How does it make sense or benefit our industry as a whole for you to send me a free pair of cutters? It would probably cost you more than $20 in shipping. I just went to the store and got them, saving you the time. I said I appreciate it, but it's less efficient for all of us as a whole for you to send a free pair. I didn't ask for that. I asked for information on cut squeegees because I did not understand it.
Again once you are prepared to discuss matters in an adult and business-like fashion then please feel free to contact me directly. Until that point you need to be cautious in respect of what you write publicly regarding people you've never met or actually spoken to.
We were in discussion about why I thought it would be more efficient for you to just post the link but you wouldn't hear it. And you are still deaf to it. It is more efficient for you to NOT send me cutters that I didn't ask for and for me to go to the store. Even going to store was more efficient than speculatively emailing you for a link to a product probably more expensive to do the same job as the $20 cutter I got locally.
I feel everyone on here has already seen through this episode and are probably bored of it so maybe its time you gave up before embarrassing yourself any further. I blocked you on various forums so I didn't have to read or reply to such petty bullshit, its laughable. I'm not the one who's constantly posting, I've simply replied twice to your posts today, I blocked you many months ago as it was too ridiculous to waste any further time on. Surely your love of 'efficiency' might've led you to do the same?
I don't think it's laughable. I think that suggesting a Canadian fly to England to see something that can be shown in a quick video. THAT is laughable from an efficient standpoint.
I am trying to be respectful here, but its not me who's making online videos of how to educate printers in terms of efficiency but then making a post on the Facebook group 'SCREEN PRINT PROS' asking 'How do you cut squeegees - without it looking like a hack job'.
I don't feel I need to say anything further.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. And something I think you need to clearly understand.
I post on Youtube the things that work for us. I am open to feedback and that's been the point of me sharing what works for us.
I do not make tutorials. I do not act like we have the right away, or the best way. I simply show our way, and accept feedback from others on how we can make it safer, better quality, simpler, or faster. In that order, no compromises.
Another shot at how much knowledge I have. I am new to the industry compared to many on this forum. I've never claimed to know more.
I think it's important to point out that I make videos about what works for us, and I ask questions about what is not working. Notice I did not make a video tutorial of how we were cutting squeegees before.
I agree I'm embarrassed now but not for the reasons you think.
Just today I have got SEVERAL private messages agreeing with my stance, but people don't want to get brigading by the 'vets' like I am here.
Again the biggest question of all that is still outstanding. Notice Jon has avoided this so far:
Danny put up $10k in a public forum and Jon said he should keep it and donate to charity. How thoughtful!
But why don't you just take 10 minutes in one of these shops, win the bet, prove your point without making it personally about me, and then donate the $10k to charity as you suggested?
Seriously, why not?
It would have taken way less time than you've spent here discrediting me because I didn't know how to do something and asked a question. Big time F you for that, on behalf of whatever your favourite charity is.
Agree 100% with Danny. It'll only push the industry forward whereas this thread pushes us backwards.
Over and out!
-
New Challenge, Danny buys Brown Press does award winning prints on it and sets up as fast as other presses.
Can't fuxin' wait.
Dude, I'll pitch in some cash for the press to make this happen!
Same 100%, if this was a GoFundMe I would contribute. Because I know Danny wouldn't just expect us to trust him blindly. He'd just take few minutes to show a video and share knowledge like he has in the past. Great model for our industry. IF you're gunna paint me green just make sure it's DPH green because that's someone who pushes the industry FORWARD.
-
Oh boy....
I went back to read all of the posts and no where did I see a press war. What I saw was one guy who got his ass hurt a couple of years ago and turned this thread into the quagmire that it is now.
-
Can we have a time out?
-
Can we have a time out?
Can we talk about how smooth Biversons hands look? Are you using some special hand cream? All the girls wanna know!
-
Can we have a time out?
Can we talk about how smooth Biversons hands look? Are you using some special hand cream? All the girls wanna know!
And some of the guys (posting for a friend ;) )
-
Can we have a time out?
Can we talk about how smooth Biversons hands look? Are you using some special hand cream? All the girls wanna know!
Dude...Thank you!!!!! LOL. I legitimately got a new hand cream a month ago because these dry-a$$ Wisconsin winters kill my hands. To the point where my thumbs start splitting open. Eucerin Original Healing Cream is where it's at! Haha, now if they only made "Forum Healing Cream" we could spread it all over these posts!
-
CBCB you might want to get some CBD and relax a bit... just sayin
-
CBCB you might want to get some CBD and relax a bit... just sayin
Perfect! How about we all chip in and get Danny a Brown - I think we can muster up the $100 needed to by a used one ;) . Fly out to his place. Watch him work his magic. Then we all enjoy some blunts, beers, and whiskey while we chill out. It is Colorado you know?!
-
I'd put money towards the Brown challenge!
-
Thanks for chiming in Danny. The press wars will continue as long as there are attention seekers. All of these presses can print money if you spend the time to dial in your processes. Most don't though.
LOL
-
I have changed my mind. I'll chip in some cash but only if it gets painted green with blue MHM and M&R stickers on it.
-
Oh boy....
I went back to read all of the posts and no where did I see a press war. What I saw was one guy who got his ass hurt a couple of years ago and turned this thread into the quagmire that it is now.
Yeah Jon was pretty pissed eh. So pissed that he blocked me!
-
Jumping in here as I saw a few posts(didn't read everything) that I wanted to add my 2 cents to. For whatever that's worth LOL...... It's such a huge bummer that these discussions always end up resembling press wars/personal attacks instead of real discussions that can help move the industry forward. Most people know me for helping the roq team out but the reality is I believe in a lot of the products and machines that other companies are building/selling. If I had my way I would take a lot of stuff from all of them to build what I think would be the ideal machine but the reality that I've seen is between mhm, roq, and m&r if you really focus on dialing in the foundation they give you then they will all be quite similar in terms of production. Our roq presses have ran, ran and ran without issues(one press is way north of 3 million prints) so we couldn't be more thrilled with them at this point but every shop will have varied levels of success depending on what they put into it. I spent a ton of time making our process what it is and feel I could do the same with mhm or m&r if I was given that opportunity but really I just wanted to jump in here and break the ice that I really wished people weren't looking for that green vs blue vs bluer as it really doesn't help our industry. If what Bryce and these guys at 40mm are doing with mhm is super successful I'm really glad they are sharing it as its only going to make the other guys come up with a better solution. Jon Potter has extended his hand to me on a few occasions now and I can confidently say I've gained a lot of respect for Jon and mhm as a brand over the last several months. I can only hope roq, mhm, m&r and whoever can put the press wars aside and realize the competition within the industry is healthy and there's a correct way about going about all the press discussions. So with all that said, please keep sharing your progress, what advantages and disadvantages your experiencing as imo its valuable information everyone can look into but everyone really should check their press war bullshit at the front door because it does nothing. Hell give me a brown or some off brand press and within a few months I bet I can make the bitch sing LOL......... but really guys, lets move the industry forward..... at the end of the day our clients are what matter and we should be using whatever technology can best service them...... that might be green, blue, bluer, pink, red, who fu*&kin cares anymore
8)
BEST POST OF THE DAY award goes to.....Danny G.
-
hahaha, to be honest guys give brown a lot of crap but that firefly dryer they have is super super super impressive....... like one of the best things the industry has seen in a long time but it's hard to gain traction with their reputation...... but if they put some of that technology into their presses who knows it could probably be a game changer lol......... might be time to hit up the guys from brown and see if they want to re energize their brand.... I got ideas lol Like dirk said give me a screen door, some mud, and I'll make you a Mona Lisa.... haha not really but give me that brown press and I bet I'll make that thing badass
edit** sorry for my part in de railing the thread........ I'll bring it back up and say thanks 40mm for sharing your experience and keeping everyone updated.... I enjoy seeing the progress from both the manf and each print shop
-
hahaha, to be honest guys give brown a lot of crap but that firefly dryer they have is super super super impressive....... like one of the best things the industry has seen in a long time but it's hard to gain traction with their reputation...... but if they put some of that technology into their presses who knows it could probably be a game changer lol......... might be time to hit up the guys from brown and see if they want to re energize their brand.... I got ideas lol Like dirk said give me a screen door, some mud, and I'll make you a Mona Lisa.... haha not really but give me that brown press and I bet I'll make that thing badass
edit** sorry for my part in de railing the thread........ I'll bring it back up and say thanks 40mm for sharing your experience and keeping everyone updated.... I enjoy seeing the progress from both the manf and each print shop
your forgot (2X4)!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
-
This thread started out with useful information.
It devolved into a pissing match.
It's not so easy to split the two directions here, so I took the easier way out, and deleted the last few posts and locked the remalning thread.
No telling if more surgery will be performed.
As pointed out, this ain't the forum for venomous negativity and yelling back and forth. Save that for Washington!