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screen printing => Newbie => Topic started by: Denis Kolar on November 04, 2011, 12:40:23 PM

Title: How would you print this?
Post by: Denis Kolar on November 04, 2011, 12:40:23 PM
I'm pondering the idea of printing this Black/flash/White/Flash/White dryer with black slightly undercutting the white.

Or, is it better to run this the "normal" way of PFPF white and butt-fitting the black?

Just wandering, there would be the same amount of flashing in both cases.

The file is just a sample, not a real artwork that will be printed

Thanks
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: Fresh Baked Printing on November 04, 2011, 12:44:00 PM
I would p/p. 
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: 3Deep on November 04, 2011, 12:46:54 PM
Dennis to easy...only thing to answer is butt or non butt print, if your press is reggie tight butt if not white first.
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: Fluid on November 04, 2011, 12:58:04 PM
butt registration and print Black and 1st white than flash and then white again.  Use a 230mesh or higher for your black and you shouldn't have to flash in between the black and the first white
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: Denis Kolar on November 04, 2011, 12:58:52 PM
Dennis to easy...only thing to answer is butt or non butt print, if your press is reggie tight butt if not white first.

Press has good registration (Antec Legend) but for some reason, I like undercutting.
"if your press is reggie tight butt if not white first"  Should there be "if not black first"?

If there is a chance of bad registration, shout I be printing black first and flashing in between the black and white?

Just wondering, I'm still newbie to screen printing.
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: Frog on November 04, 2011, 01:03:45 PM
Especially if this were a fairly large run on a manual, I might try the white after the black, wet on wet, flash, and then the white again.
Butt registration.
 

Oh man, the wife made me leave this and come in for breakfast, and Fluid stole my thunder
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: Denis Kolar on November 04, 2011, 01:16:37 PM
Thanks guys :)
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: Denis Kolar on November 04, 2011, 01:16:57 PM
Especially if this were a fairly large run on a manual, I might try the white after the black, wet on wet, flash, and then the white again.
Butt registration.
 

Oh man, the wife made me leave this and come in for breakfast, and Fluid stole my thunder


Thanks Thor.
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: Fluid on November 04, 2011, 01:19:08 PM
 FROG, I can't steal your thunder ever man, lol
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: inkman996 on November 04, 2011, 01:24:00 PM
There is no reason to print with a trap. Especially that design. Like everyone is saying print the black, then a white flash then white again. The last white is going to tighten it up nice.

To be honest on an auto I would actually choke the white a hair and allow the gain of the white to fill in.

For me personally a slight peek of shirt showing is much better looking than a nasty trapped edge.
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: mk162 on November 04, 2011, 01:25:45 PM
On charcoal you might be able to print it once.  Depends on the actual art.  If not, no biggie.  I would print black first through a 155 and then white and if needed a second white.
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: Denis Kolar on November 04, 2011, 01:27:39 PM
I forgot about the gain :(

Newbie.........
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: Fluid on November 04, 2011, 01:39:38 PM
Think you are over thinking the set up on this.  Pretty simple design and manually you can easily change print order without compromising production speed by that much if any. 

• Black (230 or higher mesh)
• White #1
• FLASH
• White #2

out the door   ;D
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: blue moon on November 04, 2011, 03:35:37 PM
Think you are over thinking the set up on this.  Pretty simple design and manually you can easily change print order without compromising production speed by that much if any. 

• Black (230 or higher mesh)
• White #1
• FLASH
• White #2

out the door   ;D

ditto!
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: Dottonedan on November 04, 2011, 04:24:27 PM
They've all got you covered on printing.  I'd like to say, that FROG craps thunders and piss's lightning.
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: Frog on November 04, 2011, 04:26:05 PM
both noisy and painful, but whatcha gonna do?  :o
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: inkman996 on November 04, 2011, 04:31:42 PM
They've all got you covered on printing.  I'd like to say, that FROG craps thunders and piss's lightning.

Maybe he is Brave Heart and shoots .................Lightning bolts out of his arse
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: Sbrem on November 04, 2011, 04:46:39 PM
butt registration and print Black and 1st white than flash and then white again.  Use a 230mesh or higher for your black and you shouldn't have to flash in between the black and the first white

Ditto

Steve
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: 3Deep on November 04, 2011, 05:00:46 PM
Dk,  sorry I didn't finish my thoughts I'd print the same as everyone was saying, on a manual you can't go wrong either way, your going to have 2 flashes anyway.
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: stiggy on December 01, 2011, 05:45:42 PM
Black first, white butt reggie second, and possibly a second slightly choked white third just a thought.
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: Denis Kolar on December 01, 2011, 05:56:35 PM
Sorry, update coming.
This job printed 2 weeks ago and printed great. Black, white, flash, white. Only one white screen.
Will take pic, looked cool on dark gray heather.
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: jasonl on February 03, 2012, 04:32:54 PM
3 screens for large run on auto.  white flash, black, white.  That simple.
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: Denis Kolar on February 03, 2012, 10:58:37 PM
I wish I had big enough run for an auto. This was a 36 piece order
Printed Black/White/Flash/White
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: Dottonedan on February 03, 2012, 11:31:48 PM
Looks nice and clean.  Good job.
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: sweetts on February 03, 2012, 11:41:41 PM
I wish I had big enough run for an auto. This was a 36 piece order
Printed Black/White/Flash/White
What white ink are you using?
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: Denis Kolar on February 04, 2012, 01:12:53 AM
I wish I had big enough run for an auto. This was a 36 piece order
Printed Black/White/Flash/White
What white ink are you using?
I think this was a WM plastic Ultimate white. Since, I have switched to StreetFignter White
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: Admiral on February 07, 2012, 03:05:18 AM
I would have done white / flash / black / 2nd white

but one problem I have is I can't flash black ink and white at the same time...quartz flash time needed for black ink is about 1.6secs vs almost 4sec for white ink - black ink would boil....

anyone else have this problem? this is with flash at normal position (2.5 inches from platen) and as high as it can go (3.5 if that)
Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: IntegrityShirts on February 07, 2012, 09:20:55 AM
Wait, DK what kind of flash are you using? Is it auto or foot pedal controlled?

When I print on my manual I have an ir flash just sitting over a platen arm stationary.  Meaning it wouldn't matter what color I print first as I would rotate the pallets around for every screen.  Rather than rotate the screens back and forth between white/black AND rotate the pallets on the last two prints.

I'd have my flash sitting over station two of my 6/4 antec:

print all 4 blacks, every time I print it goes under the flash so black gets flashed
print white screen 8 times, again every time each pallet gets indexed station two is flashing so you don't really have to be careful taking them off the press.

I guess I feel like with my Antec it's easier to whip the pallets around than it is to move two screens back and forth quickly as they're spring-loaded and you can't really jerk them fast.  May take longer but works for me!

Title: Re: How would you print this?
Post by: Denis Kolar on February 07, 2012, 11:11:53 AM
Wait, DK what kind of flash are you using? Is it auto or foot pedal controlled?
The flash has a foot pedal, love that feature.