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General => Industry News/ Announcements/Press Releases/Product Promotion => Topic started by: nvenda on November 14, 2016, 10:07:53 AM
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For the last 20 years THE biggest question has been:”will digital printing make screen printing obsolete?”
Well ROQ finally ends this debate with the ROQ Hybrid.
Why choose between screen or digital when you can have both?
This is the future of garment printing, the ROQ Hybrid. In its essence it is a digital printing machine that works in perfect synchrony with an automatic screen printing machine.
Now you can have the best of both worlds but in reality you will get much more than that.
Outputting an impressive 450 pieces per hour you can maintain the productivity of a screen printing machine with digital quality production. Your setup times will be greatly reduced. You will need to use/create a much smaller number of screens. You will have a super wide colour gamut at your service.
The ROQ Hybrid can come with 8 or 12 printing heads maintaining the same production speed. The version with 8 print heads uses the CMYK colours. The version with 12 print heads uses CMYK + 2 colours enhancing the available colour gamut.
There are several reasons why ROQ decided to use the Fujifilm Dimatix for print head. This print head represents the future of this technology. As an example, on the Fujifilm Dimatix it is possible to repair the nozzles instead of replacing the whole print head. This feature allows for a greater lifespan of the print heads.
The ROQ Hybrid can come with a maximum printing size of 500 x 700mm or 750 x 900mm.
The ROQ Hybrid adapts to the type of textile you are printing on. The Z axis can be adjusted (up to 20mm) to make take in account the different height of the textile you are printing on.
To partner with the ROQ Hybrid, ROQ also has a new line of digital inks and products as well the ROQ Studio a RIP software powered by Neostampa.
The best way represent some of the advantages is to give an example. If you have a job to make a print on a dark garment (1 or 2 screens, depending on the opacity needed for the base) with four colour process (4 screens), 1 highlight (1 screen), 1 foil (1 screen) and glitter (1 screen). Instead of needing 8 or 9 screens, with the ROQ Hybrid you will need 1 or 2 screens for the base, 1 screen for the foil, and 1 screen for the glitter. Your print will have digital quality and you will be able to present something that was not possible before, the referred quality with screen printing specific technics. All of this done in perfect synchrony with the speed of a screen printing machine and with 3 or 4 screens, less than half the screens (smaller costs and lower setup times)
The ROQ Hybrid is already worldwide available for order from us directly or any of our agents.
The ROQ Hybrid is a ROQ product. You can get for more information through our website or any ROQ agent around the world.
www.roqdigital.com
ROQ as always supplies solutions. The ROQ Hybrid is the solution for the future of screen printing.
Your life will become so much easier.
ROQ Hybrid Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeO8dM8Q9gI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeO8dM8Q9gI)
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So this is comparable to the Paradigm attachment from Kornit for the MHM presses? Just asking if it's the same idea? 450 sounds faster than what I've seen the paradigm produce. Is it still a carousel style press or is it moving to an in-line system?
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Yes, the concept is similar to the Paradigm. The specs however are not comparable.
The best is for you to see it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeO8dM8Q9gI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeO8dM8Q9gI)
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Very interesting. So you are using a primer to get the digital inks to stick versus Hirsh who I want to say patented something with IC inks to make that specific white work with the Paradigm?
That print head is much faster as well which is inspiring. Thx for the video.
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What type of inks are used for the base prints?
Can it be used with dark color blended materials or dark color 100% poly shirts?
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I think this tech is coming along quickly but IMO another version or 2 before this starts even remotely taking on like wild fire.
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Personally from watching the video it's already a game changer. The primer being printed over the base also IMO would eliminate the concern of material (Poly/blend) as long as you can print a good base.
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The newest one from MHM is a monster. The print head is the whole width of the shirt and prints the image in one pass. Scott Fresener has a video of it. Not sure of any other details, but either way it seems this is a lot of the tech and research the big companies are pushing. You'd have to assume M&R is considering this same idea as well....?
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Impressive to say the least, but 3 minutes in the dryer? Seems like an eternity...
Steve
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3 minutes is shorter than other times I have heard from other manufactures. Also, consider no screens, no registration, and full color process print. I'm guessing the price tag will reflect that.
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I am assuming you could use discharge as a base coat?
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Can we get an idea of price on one of these monsters?
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Impressive to say the least, but 3 minutes in the dryer? Seems like an eternity...
Steve
These new concepts are great,
Use a Fire Fly it will allow for a 55s to 1:30s dwell time and has been running on these types of machines for almost 1 year. It will also allow for the same process to work on 100% items.
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I think this tech is coming along quickly but IMO another version or 2 before this starts even remotely taking on like wild fire.
The wildfire is already here and coming faster than you think. But like cts price will be the determining factor of how fast it takes over the market.
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What a wonderful sales pitch. But how much does it cost....ballpark?
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I think this tech is coming along quickly but IMO another version or 2 before this starts even remotely taking on like wild fire.
The wildfire is already here and coming faster than you think. But like cts price will be the determining factor of how fast it takes over the market.
MHM already tried this and it's been to market for a bit now.... it's not taken off remotely like wildfire. Not even like a match. But I do believe this will be something a few versions from now that will be serious. I am a supporter of this idea but it's got some ways to go yet IMO.
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It all depends on print speed vs cost. Eliminating white from DTG machines saves a huge headache. CMYK has been around for well over 20 years. I can remember my 8th grade teacher was amazed when a book report came in with a color printed picture of a lion on it. Before then it was all black and white laser.
Those heads look huge. I would imagine they are around $4-5k a piece. That printer might easily run $50-60k Just ballparking, and hoping to bait Roq into setting me straight. ;)
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I also don't understand making a hype post about a machine like this without any pricing info. Seems used car salesman like.
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I can tell you, sticker shock. People freak when they see a large pricetag but never really stop and think how much capability it gives them or how much money it will save/make.
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Hello to all,
There are several technical questions here that need answers. I am going to ask a bit of patience. We are gathering the answers as our team is away from the head office.
Regarding prices, I can see that there is a lot of curiosity but as a global company we work with different agents and markets and we have the biggest respect for the teams we work with; in this case Ryonet.
So you can either contact directly with Ryonet or submit that question through the website http://roqdigital.com/ (http://roqdigital.com/) and Ryonet will contact you directly.
The pricing is not a secret but unlike "used car salesman" we prime for good business practices and respect for our partners as we have for our customers.
So I ask a bit more of patience from you guys as we are doing our best to get all of your technical answers.
PS: we do know some people are already contacting directly with Ryonet about this machine ;)
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I also don't understand making a hype post about a machine like this without any pricing info. Seems used car salesman like.
Thats odd I have never seen another manufacturer on here give a price on a new piece of major machinery, M&R certainly doesn't.
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I also don't understand making a hype post about a machine like this without any pricing info. Seems used car salesman like.
Thats odd I have never seen another manufacturer on here give a price on a new piece of major machinery, M&R certainly doesn't.
Goes for all manufactures. I can't stand it. Period. You have something for sale, what is the price. MSRP is even fine. If someone wants it beyond that they will contact you or your distributors.
BTW not long ago M&R just has a post about their new i-Image and they had price listed in the thread.
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I also don't understand making a hype post about a machine like this without any pricing info. Seems used car salesman like.
Thats odd I have never seen another manufacturer on here give a price on a new piece of major machinery, M&R certainly doesn't.
We do give pricing when ask if its a basic black and white issue. If there are various options and features we dont
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Looks great but be careful.
Expensive to buy
Expensive upkeep, time and money.
Much slower than screen printing so if you have one or two machines that ar busy it slows down production
If it prints the white base and primer that's great but if not you need to expose and set up screeens for the base, takes time and makes printing smalll amounts on colored shirts uneconomical.
No problem on whites.
For most shops a stand alone DTG might be a better investment
As they say, my 2 cents.
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I also don't understand making a hype post about a machine like this without any pricing info. Seems used car salesman like.
Thats odd I have never seen another manufacturer on here give a price on a new piece of major machinery, M&R certainly doesn't.
We do give pricing when ask if its a basic black and white issue. If there are various options and features we dont
In this particular case there are several options depending on the needs of each company.
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This digital add on will never replace screen printing until the costs come down...it's not feasible for 99% of us. The 1% that can afford and make this happen may become users, and use it well. The ROI is still years away.
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My opinion is you need a DTG that can print white with no pretreat. Once it gets to that, watch out.
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I also don't understand making a hype post about a machine like this without any pricing info. Seems used car salesman like.
Thats odd I have never seen another manufacturer on here give a price on a new piece of major machinery, M&R certainly doesn't.
We do give pricing when ask if its a basic black and white issue. If there are various options and features we dont
In this particular case there are several options depending on the needs of each company.
It would be good to get a rough idea of price. How much is the cheapest, entry level version. You could give us a "starting from" price if you like.
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It would be good to get a rough idea of price. How much is the cheapest, entry level version. You could give us a "starting from" price if you like.
I think that he already said that pricing varies by market, and is determined by their different "partners" around the world. Those here in the U.S. need to pose these questions to Ryonet. (Actually, I'm a little surprised that Ryan isn't in on this discussion. Nothing like free advertising, LOL!)
Yep, here it is in an earlier post in this thread.
Regarding prices, I can see that there is a lot of curiosity but as a global company we work with different agents and markets and we have the biggest respect for the teams we work with; in this case Ryonet.
So you can either contact directly with Ryonet or submit that question through the website http://roqdigital.com/ (http://roqdigital.com/) and Ryonet will contact you directly.
The pricing is not a secret but unlike "used car salesman" we prime for good business practices and respect for our partners as we have for our customers.
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It would be good to get a rough idea of price. How much is the cheapest, entry level version. You could give us a "starting from" price if you like.
I think that he already said that pricing varies by market, and is determined by their different "partners" around the world. Those here in the U.S. need to pose these questions to Ryonet. (Actually, I'm a little surprised that Ryan isn't in on this discussion. Nothing like free advertising, LOL!)
Yep, here it is in an earlier post in this thread.
Regarding prices, I can see that there is a lot of curiosity but as a global company we work with different agents and markets and we have the biggest respect for the teams we work with; in this case Ryonet.
So you can either contact directly with Ryonet or submit that question through the website [url]http://roqdigital.com/[/url] ([url]http://roqdigital.com/[/url]) and Ryonet will contact you directly.
The pricing is not a secret but unlike "used car salesman" we prime for good business practices and respect for our partners as we have for our customers.
In my opinion if ROQ want to use the forum as a sales platform they should provide some pricing when asked. I agree Ryan is the best person to let us know the "starting price".
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The Kornit system is several hundred thousand, this should be in the similar price range. Might be less then theirs, but if you are hoping for $50K you are out of luck. . .
Pierre
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Not to mention with a dwell time of 3 minutes, you will need a big ole dryer to even remotely entertain any production off it.
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Not that I'm going to buy this machine or anything like it, i see this as big toys for big boys to play with, kind of like buying a 1 mil car to sit and look at never drive it unless your backing it off a trailer. One thing bulldog said I agree with if DTG get's to the point where no pretreat is necessary and they get that white ink right you might have something if the price is not out the roof still.
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How long does it take to pre treat 1000 shirts?
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How long does it take to pre treat 1000 shirts?
The pre treat is done during the printing process and the time it takes is always less than the time the Hybrid takes to print.
So the production speed is always indexed to the ROQ Hybrid. It depends on the desing to be done.
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Pierre, I was referencing just the printer itself, not the press. Do the Kornit models really run that much for just the DTG module? If so that is crazy.
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I guess its too much to ask to say "Suggested Retail Price staring at X and goes up with options".
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I guess its too much to ask to say "Suggested Retail Price staring at X and goes up with options".
Have you or anyone reached out to ryonet and asked for a price yet? I'm sure they would be happy to provide a price. LOL It seems like most companies don't post pricing including kornit, m&r, workhorse, etc... If you want a price, ask the appropriate rep and I'm sure they will get you the price :o Anyone that wants info or a price reach out to Ryonets VP Jeffrey Paul - JPaul@ryonet.com - He will make sure any info that anyone needs is taken care of relating to Roq here in the US.
As far as price I have heard anywhere from free to around $250,000. I'm sure if anyone wants to call Jeffrey and order 4 big ass oval presses he will make sure you have a dtg hybrid unit for free - yes free....... 8)
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If you are going to make a sales post IMO you should be ready to answer at the very least ball park pricing questions. M&R has. So have other manufactures. Plenty don't you are correct and I find that ridiculous on a post like this. ANY manufacture.
This hide and go seek game of pricing many manufactures play is a big turn off.
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I agree Brandt.
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The Kornit system is several hundred thousand, this should be in the similar price range. Might be less then theirs, but if you are hoping for $50K you are out of luck. . .
Pierre
Kornit Paradigm II is listed at 110.000 EUR in Europe