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General => Manufacturer's section => M&R => Topic started by: Appstro on October 17, 2015, 10:48:06 AM
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I have tried for a week now to buy a Kruzer affordably. I am trying to save a little money. Is there anyone outside California that will sell me a new Kruzer without sales tax? Is there anyone in California that will sell me a Kruzer without shipping added to the cost? Does anyone have one in stock so I don't have to wait 3-4 weeks for manufacturing? I am in San Diego and can drive to LA to pick up if it means saving $3-400.00 The Kruzer lists for $2945.00, then crating brings it up to $3110.00, then sales tax brings it to about $3350.00, then shipping brings it to about $3650.00.
Suggestion for M&R: Allow people to purchase your smaller presses directly from you on the site and you can avoid alot of LOST sales. I am about to go elsewhere because finding someone to buy from quickly is difficult at best. All the dealer links in California on your site are pointless. They either end up being a page that reads "call for prices" OR they link back to the M&R site. Not helpful. When I call I get an answering service. I did get through to Nazdar but I do not want to wait 4 weeks and pay $3650.00 if I can save a little. Other than Nazdar I have had little luck. I even spoke with a guy yesterday who said " Oh yeah I am on this and I will call you right back." No call back.
I Just want to spend my money on a great press with an amazing reputation.
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If 300 or 400 or even 600 is such a difference to you perhaps you should not be in business...
As far as shipping, if a dealer has one in stock I figure they have already paid the shipping and will add to the 2,950.00 anyway....As far as the taxes, if they have to be paid they have to be paid.....
So best to just get on with it......You can make that extra money back very quickly if you just quit "dicking" around....Good luck....
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Well since $600.00 obviously doesn't matter to you perhaps you can give it to me and then it's no problem. :)
Your an ass.
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Your an ass.
Your welcome.....
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I am sure that most people buying the Kruzer will be just like me and wanting to save money. I don't know many people who don't care about $600.00 Hell most of my customers care about paying even a $1.00 more per shirt. I am just looking for a faster solution and the possibility of saving money here. The presses take 3-4 weeks to arrive. That a bummer and if that's the only option then I may go elsewhere.
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Got mine in 2 days.
No sales tax because in our state there is no tax on production equipment.
Our state is business and gun friendly! 8)
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Yes also care about 600.00....But I also try to be practical.....If you can get a press today, you can make the 600.00 back in the time you are waiting....
As far as not being willing to wait...Surely 3 or 4 weeks should not move you off the press you really want to buy...As the saying go, "good things come to those who wait"....
PS....There appears to be a couple on Craigslist right now....How far are you from Abilene?...Just kidding....
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Got mine in 2 days.
No sales tax because in our state there is no tax on production equipment.
Our state is business and gun friendly! 8)
What matters is the tax implications in CA....Even if they buy out of state, if the tax is due in CA it still must be paid in CA...
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Yes legally you must claim a purchase out of state but....nobody does that. For the short term alot of purchases out of CA go unclaimed and I have no problem admitting that if a vendor wants to sell me a press then well.....I might! :)
Looks like I will just have to pay the $3650.00 for a excellent press and wait a month for it to get here. I saw the $2945.00 price tag and was taken back by the other costs because I was comparing it to the Ranar press ( around the same price) which had free shipping and ships from Arizona ( no sales tax).
Sorry I called you an ass, just finishing coffee here and was hoping for something gentler! :) I get it. I do need toquit dickin' around. :)
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Sorry I called you an ass, just finishing coffee here and was hoping for something gentler! :) I get it. I do need toquit dickin' around. :)
Thanks...No worries....I just call it like I see it.....Good luck...
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Thank goodness that our Board of Equalization doesn't read forums like this. (Use tax is asked about on one's quarterly or monthly sales tax remittance form) A web crawler tuned into terms like "tax" could make them some bucks!
We've had newbies on various boards over the years all but brag about paying no income or sales taxes without ever giving thought to admitting to a crime in public.
btw, it's not like the state can't use the taxes. We've an infrastructure here a tad bigger than that of CrazyMike's Hoosier state!
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True. Some of us are surely guilty buying something online out of state because it was cheaper due to no sales tax. I DID say "maybe". :) I of course claim all USE tax and even proceeds from yard sales just like everyone else :)
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In Royster's defense, and I know it was all settled, but $600 is a fair amount to an individual, but to a business, unless it's a lemonade stand, it shouldn't seem like a big deal. I get your side of course, as I always try to save, but screwing with the tax man ain't one of them. Freight is freight, pay it. In the time it would take you to go from San Diego to LA and back, you should be able to print that much. I've bought many a used press, and if they are in good shape, then they are great money makers for you. Lastly, if your customers are crying over a dollar, try to move up to customers that don't cry over it, if fact, will pay for your quality and service. Good luck brother, I've been exactly where you are...
Steve
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Thanks guys. My business is only 3 years old and am starting screen printing really small. I used a Ryonet Silver Press now for a year and looking to move up to something permanent. Even if it ends up being a sample press later, I don't want to buy another one. The M&R seems to be the way to go. Every dollar matters to me.
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Thanks guys. My business is only 3 years old and am starting screen printing really small. I used a Ryonet Silver Press now for a year and looking to move up to something permanent. Even if it ends up being a sample press later, I don't want to buy another one. The M&R seems to be the way to go. Every dollar matters to me.
The state of California visits us here at M&R on a quarterly basis and does an audit of every invoice shipped to the state. If taxes are not collected by us we must pay them. The Kruzer is scheduled for a price increase at the end of November so ordering now will save you money. We don't take 4 weeks to ship a manual press. It's usually more like two. If you would pm me with who you spoke to at M&R who did not return your call I will be sure to take care of it.
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Who is the regional sales manager for Southern California? That's him.
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Well I guess I will just proceed with Nazdar and pay the crate, shipping, sales tax and whatever charges may occur. :) Hopefully it will be only 2 weeks. Nazdar was saying 3-4. Whatevs.
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?? have you checked to see if California has a "Capital Equipment" sales tax refund, for equipment used in manufacturing ?
In Minnesota, we pay the sales tax to the supplier, then file a form ST11 to get the sales tax refunded from the state.
It's a bit troublesome... but saved me $210 on the purchase of my Kruzer.
Anyway... you'll be happy with the press. It's easy to assemble, parallel and holds great registration (better than most entry presses).
I have really come to appreciate side screen clamps.
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we have the same deal in illinois.. can't remember the form #, but it saved us over 8k when we bought our new gear for the shop...
in our case, we just had to fill it out and give it to M&R before ordering and they didn't charge sales tax on our gear to us.
-J
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I wish...California punished it's businesses and forces alot of them to move to Arizona :)
You should see our workers comp rates!
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Contact M&R directly, last I talked to one of their sales reps, they are in stock item so they can ship quick. Also it ships UPS so most for ground would be 3ish days. If you buy assembled, that is a different story. I would also try calling to all of he local suppliers to see if they have an assembled floor model. It if you can wait, but one of the floor models this Jan at ISS. They will probably sell a you an assembled model for the I assembled price and no shipping fees. Just drive a truck up. You may even call them before the show and ask about buying the floor model.
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I wish...California punished it's businesses and forces alot of them to move to Arizona :)
You should see our workers comp rates!
This is bordering on getting political, (and will hence get split and moved to the Controversy Cage) but a lot of the whining and moaning I constantly hear about the the taxes and repressive business climate in California, and the grass being greener in Nevada or Texas or Arizona, brings to mind those who point out that the parts for their Porsche cost way more than for their neighbor's Kia, and they are thinking of switching as well.
Bottom line is that many of us enjoy the benefits of California and prefer it to many of the other states, their lower costs notwithstanding.
Hell, I hear that in some parts of the country, you can get a three bedroom house for less than $300,000!
Granted, it's tougher to get started nowadays than it was thirty or forty years ago, but that's across the whole country.
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Contact M&R directly, last I talked to one of their sales reps, they are in stock item so they can ship quick. Also it ships UPS so most for ground would be 3ish days. If you buy assembled, that is a different story. I would also try calling to all of he local suppliers to see if they have an assembled floor model. It if you can wait, but one of the floor models this Jan at ISS. They will probably sell a you an assembled model for the I assembled price and no shipping fees. Just drive a truck up. You may even call them before the show and ask about buying the floor model.
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This is what led me to post here. I did everything you just said. Called M&R. you cannot buy direct. They make everything to order and apparently do not stock the Kruzer. I was referred by M&R to an outside sales rep and I asked him if I could get one at ISS and he said maybe. They don't know what they are taking until about November or so. So IF they are taking alot which they probably are I can reserve one and yes I can avoid freight. They may not be assembled though. Just have to wait until November. The sales rep actually recommended letting him contact a guy in LA to see if he has one in stock and if so I may be able to drive up. He was going to call me back Friday and never did. I don't know how they expect to sell small presses.
You have to order one. Fill out a spec sheet for something that maybe has 2-3 options at most. mail in a deposit. Wait to be contacted for remaining balance once manufacturing will begin. Mail balance in. wait 3-4 weeks for delivery.Be contacted by freight company and arrange delivery time. Pay freight to delivery company once the item is delivered. AND THEN you can have your press. Too many steps. This is expected if you are ordering a 10 color auto. But for a 6 color manual. I should be able to do this online in 5 minutes. I should be able to order direct from M&R with no middle man. They are probably losing a bunch of possible sales due to the 10 step ordering process they have in place.
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Odd, I just talked to them at NBM Denver and they said they were in stock. And ready to ship the next day.
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Odd, I just talked to them at NBM Denver and they said they were in stock. And ready to ship the next day.
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The factory is moving and very little is in stock at the moment. The move should be completed by January 1st.
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I should be able to order direct from M&R with no middle man. They are probably losing a bunch of possible sales due to the 10 step ordering process they have in place.
Word to the wise, barking up the tree on a "public" forum like this is not how to go about it.... Plus I imagine the guys at Nazdar would just love to hear all you have to do to cut them out of the pic is ask...
There are distributors out there for a reason. TYPICALLY to hold stock of things like this. I agree it is ridiculous that you can't find one in stock somewhere, but that also could be looked at as a good sign... If everyone had tons of them in stock and were unloading them, it MIGHT point to a dud of a product(I am in NO WAY insinuating that the Kruzer is that).
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I should be able to order direct from M&R with no middle man. They are probably losing a bunch of possible sales due to the 10 step ordering process they have in place.
Word to the wise, barking up the tree on a "public" forum like this is not how to go about it.... Plus I imagine the guys at Nazdar would just love to hear all you have to do to cut them out of the pic is ask...
There are distributors out there for a reason. TYPICALLY to hold stock of things like this. I agree it is ridiculous that you can't find one in stock somewhere, but that also could be looked at as a good sign... If everyone had tons of them in stock and were unloading them, it MIGHT point to a dud of a product(I am in NO WAY insinuating that the Kruzer is that).
Words of Wisdom From TCT!
IMHO from a fellow North County San Diegeno, I might Suggest A Smoother Approach!
You Have Chosen A Fine Press From A Fine Company. Hell the owner said call him. Not Bad!
3-4 weeks is more than Reasonable In these times. NO manufacturing company, wants to stock
Merch at this time of year, most would like to sell through inventory so they are not stuck paying
high taxes to there state for inventory tax (December). They are also moving to a new location of which
they will also pay Inventory Tax on the New Factory. So they get double screwed this year! You seem to understand that concept. From my knowledge, the Factory Rep in So Cal is a pretty straight up guy, believe
me. I keep my ear to the ground and hear positive things! And the distributor, well I'd say they are pretty
solid themselves. They have been around the track, a time or two and also have a pretty darn good record. There is
also not a lot of "margin" on this or most screen print equipment, which is why the people involved, make the
decisions they have! Up in LA there is a ton of cheap equipment able to be had today. A Chinee or silver press
comes to mind. However BOTH will waste your money and time(most important). The screen print industry is
NOT in a growth pattern here in the USA, contrary to what the punk rocker sez on youtube, as well as an easy
get quick rich in your kitchen or bedroom.
Good Luck!
Winston
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I have tried for a week now to buy a Kruzer affordably. I am trying to save a little money. Is there anyone outside California that will sell me a new Kruzer without sales tax? Is there anyone in California that will sell me a Kruzer without shipping added to the cost? Does anyone have one in stock so I don't have to wait 3-4 weeks for manufacturing? I am in San Diego and can drive to LA to pick up if it means saving $3-400.00 The Kruzer lists for $2945.00, then crating brings it up to $3110.00, then sales tax brings it to about $3350.00, then shipping brings it to about $3650.00.
Suggestion for M&R: Allow people to purchase your smaller presses directly from you on the site and you can avoid alot of LOST sales. I am about to go elsewhere because finding someone to buy from quickly is difficult at best. All the dealer links in California on your site are pointless. They either end up being a page that reads "call for prices" OR they link back to the M&R site. Not helpful. When I call I get an answering service. I did get through to Nazdar but I do not want to wait 4 weeks and pay $3650.00 if I can save a little. Other than Nazdar I have had little luck. I even spoke with a guy yesterday who said " Oh yeah I am on this and I will call you right back." No call back.
I Just want to spend my money on a great press with an amazing reputation.
Appstro: Thanks for your interest in purchasing an M&R Kruzer 6 Color / 4 Station press from Nazdar SourceOne, and I'm sorry you’ve had some difficulty with this transaction. I'd like to provide a little clarification on a couple of the points that you raised, and then confirm what we can do for you. Firstly the Nazdar Company is a legitimate business that complies with all County, State and Federal Taxation requirements, and secondly M&R’s list price for the KRUZER 6/4 Press is $3,100 + Crating of $165 for the unassembled press. The $2,945 price that you referenced already represents a 5% or $155 discount off M&R List price. Since being launched in 2013 the M&R KRUZER 6/4 manual textile screen-printing press has provided a high quality piece of equipment that combines a unique combination of quality, performance, and price. M&R’s strategy in developing and launching the KRUZER 6/4 press has been to offer a high quality and cost effective option to the screen-printing industry to meet the needs of an entry level shop looking to acquire a press for their primary production requirements, through to high volume shops needing a utility or sampling press.
The fact is that neither M&R or their Dealers make a great profit from sales of the M&R KRUZER at the Introductory price of $3,100. (*Hint: It would not surprise me to see some future upward pricing pressure on the M&R KRUZER). In recognition of the tight margins on the M&R KRUZER 6/4 Press Nazdar SourceOne has been working with several of our Manufacturer Supplier Partners to offer a short term promotion called KRUZE Into Savings that will provide customers who purchase the KRUZER 6/4 press from Nazdar at M&R’s $3,100 list price with a startup package of Screen Print Supply Items from leading industry manufacturers with an approximate $600 value. You don’t need to be a Rocket Surgeon to do the math and see that the N/C supply package carries a value that is equivalent to a discount of almost 20% on the list price of the KRUZER Press. The target is to finalize this promotion and launch it at the end of the month to coincide with the SGIA show in Atlanta. We would have already finalized and launched the promotion except we have been working with one other Manufacturer Supplier Partner on an addition to the program that will make KRUZE into Savings an even bigger value.
Regarding your specific interest in purchasing a KRUZER 6/4 press at this time, it looks like you have already been offered a 5% discount from Nazdar SourceOne. As I stated earlier we need to remain compliant with requirements to collect the applicable sales tax on the equipment sale, however there might be something that we can do to help with the freight expense from Illinois to Southern California. The Nazdar SourceOne facility in Chicago serves as a Distribution Hub for certain products shipped out to a number of our other locations to include the Garden Grove, CA facility. It’s possible that we could arrange for our Chicago Local Delivery Truck to pick up a KRUZER or two at the M&R Chicago facility, and then consolidate it into a LTL Shipment out to the West Coast. If we can make this happen I’ll cover the cost of the freight from IL, to CA, and if you want to drive up to Garden Grove to pick it up it would be freight free. Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any interest in pursuing this option and I follow-up with our Operations Team.
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WOW just read through the whole thing... in business, any business it is not the money that kills you or makes you a success it is the mentality...the money simply follows suit ;)
mooseman
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I should be able to order direct from M&R with no middle man. They are probably losing a bunch of possible sales due to the 10 step ordering process they have in place.
Word to the wise, barking up the tree on a "public" forum like this is not how to go about it.... Plus I imagine the guys at Nazdar would just love to hear all you have to do to cut them out of the pic is ask...
There are distributors out there for a reason. TYPICALLY to hold stock of things like this. I agree it is ridiculous that you can't find one in stock somewhere, but that also could be looked at as a good sign... If everyone had tons of them in stock and were unloading them, it MIGHT point to a dud of a product(I am in NO WAY insinuating that the Kruzer is that).
just a clarification on this Alex. I was clarifying we do sell direct. This was not saying all he had to do was ask and we would cut the distributor out. That's not how it works.
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As the saying goes, you have to spend money to make money. Just buy the Kruzer.
If you think $600 stings, wait until you're putting a deposit down on your first auto.
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As the saying goes, you have to spend money to make money. Just buy the Kruzer.
If you think $600 stings, wait until you're putting a deposit down on your first auto.
Yeah, just ask the folks who put 90% down with a broker who then doesn't even deliver!
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Thank you gentlemen for your replies and your time. I can seriously appreciate you taking time out of your hectic days, on a weekend no less, to respond here. I certainly did not expect the presidents of companies to be here! That is awesome.
I hope that you understand that I am not trying to cheat the system or be a cheap skate. I operate a 1 (one) man sign business in north county San Diego. I offer screen printing to many of my customers because it's a great add on to any sign job. I have been searching for an excellent screen press that I can afford for some time. Over a year now, I have been researching, and only recently became aware of the Kruzer. My comments about the effort required to buy one, are not out of ignorance or lack of appreciation to the quality of your product or way you manage your companies per say.
Mr. Walsh: If it is not too much trouble I will absolutely take you up on your offer and thank you very much. I have already drawn a check for deposit and will be sending that off to "Sandy" on Monday. I will contact you via PM about how to proceed. I cannot thank you enough.
244: I understand you are managing 100's of employees and that you DO have an amazing manufacturing process with attention to detail that is not surpassed by any press company I have researched. Your company builds the worlds fastest presses, so you are doing something VERY right. My suggestion for online sales is not based on patience or wanting to cut out your distributors. Everyone of your distributors can benefit from optimizing the user interface on their sites. If they refuse tio do that then I only suggested that you may want to do it yourself if only for the small presses. My suggestion does not come from me as a consumer, but me as a online retailer too. Besides my sign company I also operate an online store that has already surpassed $200,000.00 in sales this year. My customers ( and I am sure most) do not want to jump hurdles when making purchases. In fact if it becomes too complicated most will go elsewhere. It is just the nature of the beast. Not my preference. So if you want to make a lot of sales of these presses to offset the small margin, make it as easy as possible to buy. That's all I am saying.
To mooseman: I agree with you. BUT I also have my margins and costs completely in the foreground of all my relationships with my customers. My attitude is to make as much profit as I can on each customer I can and to treat each customer with honesty and respect. Of course there are exceptions. The bottom line is I am in this to make money. Hopefully friends too. My business is successful today because I watch every penny I can and make the best product I can. If spending gets out of control then the business makes no money and dies. So I am careful always because I am still pretty small.
I do not understand how people can say "you have to spend money to make money". That's a vague statement if there ever was one and pretty much useless.
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Thank you gentlemen for your replies and your time. I can seriously appreciate you taking time out of your hectic days, on a weekend no less, to respond here. I certainly did not expect the presidents of companies to be here! That is awesome.
I hope that you understand that I am not trying to cheat the system or be a cheap skate. I operate a 1 (one) man sign business in north county San Diego. I offer screen printing to many of my customers because it's a great add on to any sign job. I have been searching for an excellent screen press that I can afford for some time. Over a year now, I have been researching, and only recently became aware of the Kruzer. My comments about the effort required to buy one, are not out of ignorance or lack of appreciation to the quality of your product or way you manage your companies per say.
Mr. Walsh: If it is not too much trouble I will absolutely take you up on your offer and thank you very much. I have already drawn a check for deposit and will be sending that off to "Sandy" on Monday. I will contact you via PM about how to proceed. I cannot thank you enough.
244: I understand you are managing 100's of employees and that you DO have an amazing manufacturing process with attention to detail that is not surpassed by any press company I have researched. Your company builds the worlds fastest presses, so you are doing something VERY right. My suggestion for online sales is not based on patience or wanting to cut out your distributors. Everyone of your distributors can benefit from optimizing the user interface on their sites. If they refuse tio do that then I only suggested that you may want to do it yourself if only for the small presses. My suggestion does not come from me as a consumer, but me as a online retailer too. Besides my sign company I also operate an online store that has already surpassed $200,000.00 in sales this year. My customers ( and I am sure most) do not want to jump hurdles when making purchases. In fact if it becomes too complicated most will go elsewhere. It is just the nature of the beast. Not my preference. So if you want to make a lot of sales of these presses to offset the small margin, make it as easy as possible to buy. That's all I am saying.
To mooseman: I agree with you. BUT I also have my margins and costs completely in the foreground of all my relationships with my customers. My attitude is to make as much profit as I can on each customer I can and to treat each customer with honesty and respect. Of course there are exceptions. The bottom line is I am in this to make money. Hopefully friends too. My business is successful today because I watch every penny I can and make the best product I can. If spending gets out of control then the business makes no money and dies. So I am careful always because I am still pretty small.
I do not understand how people can say "you have to spend money to make money". That's a vague statement if there ever was one and pretty much useless.
I just checked and there is a Kruzer in our Oceanside advertising department you can pick up Monday morning. We shipped it there for the assembly video. If you are interested let Peter Walsh know and he can issue us a p.o. For your pickup.
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The magic of 244 is unreal in this industry! That's why he will never be beat!
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YES!!!!! You ROCK!!! THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!!!
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YES!!!!! You ROCK!!! THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!!!
Appstro: I also want to thank you for placing your trust in Nazdar SourceOne with this important capital equipment purchase for your business, and also for your candid comments regarding some of the hoops that you had to jump through with this transaction. One of our Senior Operations Managers who is a TSB Lurker saw my post about Cross Docking a KRUZER press at our Chicago facility and asked me why we weren't already doing it?
I have to admit that I didn't have a good answer for him, so I asked him to get something set-up. If everything works out, we'll start purchasing 10 - 15 KRUZER's from M&R at a time, that we'll stock in Chicago for transfer to our Regional locations. I cant promise that we'll always be able to get it to our customers freight free, but I'm confindent that we can lower the freight cost, speed up delivery, and streamline the whole purchasing process.
Thanks for bringing this issue to the top of the pile, and for helping us look at ways we can provide better service to Nazdar SourceOne Customers.
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I just checked and there is a Kruzer in our Oceanside advertising department you can pick up Monday morning. We shipped it there for the assembly video. If you are interested let Peter Walsh know and he can issue us a p.o. For your pickup.
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Jeez Louise Rich; I guess that it's true what they say about you having a secret stash of equipment hidden all around the country :)
Thanks for your support!
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I just checked and there is a Kruzer in our Oceanside advertising department you can pick up Monday morning. We shipped it there for the assembly video. If you are interested let Peter Walsh know and he can issue us a p.o. For your pickup.
Jeez Louise Rich; I guess that it's true what they say about you having a secret stash of equipment hidden all around the country :)
Thanks for your support!
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We gotta get a like button here.
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Rich is probably more key to this industry than ANYONE else. Another great job Rich!
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I totally dig the fact that all these industry leaders who OWN companies are checking out message boards on the weekends to see how they can help customers...
Between Rich, Peter, and even Winton, everybody is there to give advice, see if/how they can help, even in Appstro's case of a Kruzer (which to him is a big purchase, but to Rich and Peter is quite small in comparison to their larger customers)
I can attest to the fact that both Peter and Rich have always treated us as if we were a multi-million dollar shop (and while I know we'll get there some day, we're certainly not there yet).
-J
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Just to add another comment, earlier this year we broke a main server screw on an older Gauntlet II and were making the repair or replace decision and I asked M&R through Rich what comparable equipment would be available to ship and how soon.
Within 4 hours I had a list of larger autos that could be on my dock within 3 biz days along with install techs. Not bad in my opinion,
Ultimately we repaired the servo screw but it was really nice to know how fast M&R could steal, re-route, redirect, make appear by magic the equipment we needed to stay in business.
I am prejudiced toward M&R for the total value package that working with M&R provides and this is just one example.
~Kitson
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Hey Rich. Can I get mine sooner? ;)
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This is cool and all. But it's Monday now, is he printing on it yet? :o
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This is cool and all. But it's Monday now, is he printing on it yet? :o
Hey, this is SoCal. Ask him after lunch.
It's a 50 mile drive so he could easily be on the road four hours.
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Rich knows how to keep customers happy which makes him more money and keep people working ain't nothing wrong with that 8)
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M&R=Service company that sells equipment
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http://www.digitsmith.com/2014-m-r-kruzer-much-more-44971.html (http://www.digitsmith.com/2014-m-r-kruzer-much-more-44971.html)
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I would like to thank Peter and Rich as well as the sales lady from Nazdar Source One here in San Diego, Tina. Also thanks to Joe over at the Oceanside M&R marketing team. I had no idea that customer service could be this good. From now on I will do business with M&R for my press needs and Nazdar has won me over for their commitment as well. I cannot thank you all enough. I know I am small potatoes to most companies out there. Someday I won't be though and when I am looking to buy a large auto it WILL be an M&R. Thank you! YOU REALLY ARE THE BEST! I am so glad that I will be picking up my press in the morning! YAY!!!! :)
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Joe and Thad are a few unsung heroes with M&R. They do a great job with all their videos. Truly a pleasure to work with, as are all with M&R. Have to say also, my working with NazDar has been great too.
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M&R and Nazdar are filled with helpful people. You will enjoy both.
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I totally dig the fact that all these industry leaders who OWN companies are checking out message boards on the weekends to see how they can help customers...
Between Rich, Peter, and even Winton, everybody is there to give advice, see if/how they can help, even in Appstro's case of a Kruzer (which to him is a big purchase, but to Rich and Peter is quite small in comparison to their larger customers)
I can attest to the fact that both Peter and Rich have always treated us as if we were a multi-million dollar shop (and while I know we'll get there some day, we're certainly not there yet).
-J
When we got our auto from m&r, we had it maybe a week or 2, there were a couple things that i had a question about. I posted the questions on m&r forum on a monday that was labor day and Rich gave me a ring personally to give me a couple suggestions. It was nothing major and prob could have waited until tuesday. But he gave me a ring on a holiday, .. so i do not think you will get that anywhere else...or from anyone else...
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Well it's been over a week. i have already run two jobs on the press! Man what a difference compared to the ol' silverpress I was using! Thanks again!
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No offense and certainly no knock on the Kruzer, but a $500 used press, even a 30-year-old press from a major manufacturer, would've been better than the Silver Press. In fact, over the years, most of us have recommended newbies buy good used stuff rather than new crap. At any rate, welcome to the industry now with an industrial quality machine.
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I made decent money with my 6 color silver press with micros. I certainly thought it was a good deal for $1400. I much prefer my Kruzer for tons of reasons, but my silver press did a "good enough" job for a few years and the guy I sold it to is printing with it still and making money too.
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I made decent money with my 6 color silver press with micros. I certainly thought it was a good deal for $1400. I much prefer my Kruzer for tons of reasons, but my silver press did a "good enough" job for a few years and the guy I sold it to is printing with it still and making money too.
All I'm sayin', is that both of you could have spent your $1400 wiser, and skipped the hobby, or even "entry" levels from the get-go. You both came around though. ;D
Hey, $14,000 buys a helluva a lot more used car than if spent on a new one as well (though granted way more possible eventual repair costs than a solid used manual) :(
And heck, folks make money with hand held, hand stretched, hand made wooden frames. One does what one can with the resources at their disposal.
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Well I picked up my 6/2 silverpress used on Christmas Eve from some desperate soul for $1000.00 - This price included the press, 10 squeegee's, various inks, emulsion scoop, chemestry, various scrubs, brushes, 10 screens, the exposure unit and the DVD... 8). It did work well during the first 2 years. It paid for itself the very first job I did. Man did I mess that one up!!!
Now 2 years later I see the difference between a hobby press and the Kruzer is....WOW! All my struggles with the silverpress were related to it's basic construction. The Kruzer is a STEAL for the money I think. Yes I could have gone the used route, but I got a sweat deal on the Kruzer brand new. I saved $600.00 on assembly, $350.00 freight, $160.00 crate... That's a $1000.00 easily. All I had to do was drive to Oceanside and pick it up. :) SWEET!!!! Thank you M&R and NAZDAR - LOYAL CUSTOMER TO THE END!!!!!
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I agree, though when I bought my silver press I had been looking at all texas' craigslists every day for months for a six color with micros that worked with minimal "fixing" (holy hell I looked at a lot of seriously broken presses during that time...) for under $1500 with no luck, and I landed a client that NEEDED 6 colors and needed them asap, and that job paid for the silver press. If I had been more patient, sure something would have come along eventually, and I probably could have outsourced the printing and waiting, but I was ready to bring it in house and stop waiting.
I think the Kruzer is pretty much the best deal out there. I think the Vastex 2000 has better heads, and the airlocks on sidewinders and chameleons would be nice, but I like it better than the workhorse mach I looked at and it is thousands less than those options.
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we started with a silver press, upgraded to a Workhorse Odyssey and then upgraded to a Kruzer...
I can say that while the Kruzer is no Sidewinder or Chameleon, it is one awesome press, we spin it nearly every day for the odd 1 color job while the auto is running, and it works great every time... the micros are awesome especially with the zero-backlash setup, and I love the ease of adjusting the off-contact with no tools.
a lot of the multi-color jobs on it actually setup with no micros needed due to the trilock setup too.
Another very nice feature, that's often overlooked is the interchangability of platens when you get an auto... since we already had a few specialty platen sets for the Kruzer, when we got the sportsman, we only had to buy the difference and not a complete set... while you may think that saving 4 platens is not a huge deal on the cost of an auto, it does add up fast, and I'll bet we saved at LEAST a grand when we purchased the auto in not having to buy them.