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General => Industry News/ Announcements/Press Releases/Product Promotion => Topic started by: Ryonet on May 27, 2015, 05:58:49 PM
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Hey everyone,
We're new to the forum, but wanted to share a video series we produced called Printers On Press.
The main goal of the series is to give people a look behind the curtain if you will at an industry that we love so much.
There are 4 of them so far and each shop is as unique as it's owner/printer. Our aim is to produce a new video for the series each month.
Check them out and let us know what you think! :D
Rendered Screen Print & Design - Newberg, OR https://youtu.be/-6_IxTgaey0
Velo Cult Bike Shop & Screen Printing - Portland, OR https://youtu.be/vNbUR8dPBR8
Family Industries - Los Angeles, CA https://youtu.be/zaNUIfUZ7SU
The Uncommon Breed/Uncommon Printing - Tacoma, WA https://youtu.be/EON4MU-oeFk
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Nice, I like it!
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Mr Ryonet
Several times your interviewers in the videos comment on water base ink being Eco Friendly please explain why and how that is true.
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Mr Ryonet
Several times your interviewers in the videos comment on water base ink being Eco Friendly please explain why and how that is true.
was thinking the same thing...I smell bullshirt....why? because they make more money selling that particular brand of ink. ::)
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Mr Ryonet
Several times your interviewers in the videos comment on water base ink being Eco Friendly please explain why and how that is true.
was thinking the same thing...I smell bullshirt....why? because they make more money selling that particular brand of ink. ::)
BINGO... for starters look how much discharge gets dumped i know some printers keep spent discharge to print on light garments but the majority dispose of far more waste than plastisol printers... and how eco friendly is breathing the discharge fumes.. I guess when you are marketing to newbies it easy to fool them in the eco friendly ink bullshit.
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I knew this was coming.. Because there's so much to call bull on..
The thing is.. Ryonet is a direct competitor to "our" group as far as assimilation and distribution of industry specific information..
Bieng a part of TSB will increase their level of content that is "mass" distributed. Is this good or bad?
The natives are restless and hostile because of the inaccurate information that is put out en mass.
This will cause either of three options- defend or humble and learn (the latter will improve their screen printing edu). Or scurry for the hills..
I'm just saying the natives are restless and cause and effect..
Nah I'm just b-essing.. I saw the Printers on Press episodes but that's because I'm a consumer of screen print related content..
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Waterbase ink is more eco friendly if you only look at the final product. The waste and off gassing is in the production side of the product. The final product only has binder and pigment. That has to be more eco friendly compared to a plastisol print. More friendly when you toss it in the trash..
Its like most products that say they are eco friendly. They are only eco friendly because of a reason that is usually skewed or misleading. I did soy foam insulation at a time in my life. Its a spray in foam insulation. It was Green, eco friendly you name it. They sold it as the eco alternative. The truth about that product is that it only had a small percentage of soy oil in the product. The final product in the wall had almost non. The competitor product was also eco friendly but had no natural oil or anything in it. The other product was eco friendly because of the savings that it made to the homes heating and cooling over fiberglass insulation. Hell you could put toxic waste in the wall and say it was eco friendly if it out performed the standard product and saved electricity.
I think i read somewhere that a organic shirt only needed 5% organic content to be considered organic.
Its all sales tools
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Mr Ryonet
Several times your interviewers in the videos comment on water base ink being Eco Friendly please explain why and how that is true.
was thinking the same thing...I smell bullshirt....why? because they make more money selling that particular brand of ink. ::)
BINGO... for starters look how much discharge gets dumped i know some printers keep spent discharge to print on light garments but the majority dispose of far more waste than plastisol printers... and how eco friendly is breathing the discharge fumes.. I guess when you are marketing to newbies it easy to fool them in the eco friendly ink bullshit.
I totally agree! Wasting water based ink and discharge is never good and is certainly not friendly. Where we are headed is teaching folks how to use Green Galaxy Water Based inks (not discharge) as an eco friendly option, saving ink and not flushing a bunch of it down the drain is KEY. Where the water based ink really shines as far as being eco-friendly is during clean up. You can clean water based ink with water or our Sgreen Aqua Wash. We don't recommend or train printers to be wasteful with it.
For more technical information about Green Galaxy products and how they measure up as an eco-friendly alternative to plastisol, feel free to check out our MSDS sheets found here: http://support.screenprinting.com/forums/20135817-Water-Base-Discharge-Inks (http://support.screenprinting.com/forums/20135817-Water-Base-Discharge-Inks)
Thanks for the feedback! Hope you liked the Printers On Press videos.
Will Nelson,
Ryonet
screenprinting.com
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Bottom line:
Chemistry is Chemistry. It does not matter what industry you are in. There is no such thing as being truly green...
Even back when I was at QCM and we were ahead of the curve regarding Pthalates and being "GREEN".... Well, being "GREEN" really boiled down to how you and your company took care of its waste.... Because we are all still combining and printing and cleaning with Chemicals.... just like everybody else in this industry.
Oh! and we used as much soy bean oil as possible.... about 5% ;)
I really Hate the Green word....
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Bottom line:
Chemistry is Chemistry. It does not matter what industry you are in. There is no such thing as being truly green...
Even back when I was at QCM and we were ahead of the curve regarding Pthalates and being "GREEN".... Well, being "GREEN" really boiled down to how you and your company took care of its waste.... Because we are all still combining and printing and cleaning with Chemicals.... just like everybody else in this industry.
Oh! and we used as much soy bean oil as possible.... about 5% ;)
I really Hate the Green word....
I agree; this word is pretty vague. If you look at VOC content of most chemicals, they all fall in the same ball park of one another. Emulsion removers, screen washes, press washes, are all pretty close to one another.
I had a shop running a drum spray system I installed, and they wanted to try a pail some new low VOC made for California screen wash one of my chemical companies was trying out. On the SDS everything looked awesome, so we got a pail on order for him to try out and test how it performs. Cleaned the screens great, but the guy cleaning all day and myself could not spray it in the booth without coughing. They switched back to what they always used.
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Chemist quote on VOC levels:
"I can make you a zero VOC compound that will kill you in 3 seconds. But it will pass your VOC requirement. Can I sell that?"
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Clipped....
I really Hate the Green word....
When people ask me what is the "greenest" ink we carry ..... I generally reply kelly or perhaps hunter....
8)
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Clipped....
I really Hate the Green word....
When people ask me what is the "greenest" ink we carry ..... I generally reply kelly or perhaps hunter....
8)
Hahahaha, totally!
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lol
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Clipped....
I really Hate the Green word....
When people ask me what is the "greenest" ink we carry ..... I generally reply kelly or perhaps hunter....
8)
That is awesome!
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IMHO hollering about going green is a way to sell a product that really does not do what they say it should, everything in the end has some kind of side effect. Eco friendly could mean a whole lot of things to different people, and what works in this state or country might not work in other's.
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I think the issue here is POTENTIAL misinformation. . . Water based ink on an average is PROBABLY more eco friendly than plastisol all things equal. Somebody dumping tons of it down the drain is much worse than reusing plastisol, but with good housekeeping practices, water SHOULD have a slight edge. Difference is probably a lot less than we are led to believe.
All said and done, Eco friendly is the future and we should all be striving to implement as much of it as practical. Not for the sake of being able to sell more by being on the current bandwagon, but rather because it is the future of this planet and the human race. We are overexploiting the limited resources we have available and unless we figure out a way to do things with a significantly smaller footprint, there will be trouble!
Do it for your kids!
pierre
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All said and done, Eco friendly is the future and we should all be striving to implement as much of it as practical. Not for the sake of being able to sell more by being on the current bandwagon, but rather because it is the future of this planet and the human race. We are overexploiting the limited resources we have available and unless we figure out a way to do things with a significantly smaller footprint, there will be trouble!
Do it for your kids!
pierre
I agree, but unfortunately a lot of people out there think the world and said resources were made for us and our enjoyment to do as we see fit. So with that outlook nothing will change
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Pierre, in your post, my eyes went straight to the word "overexploiting", which, though you used it in the opposite context, is the exact issue we see so much with the current marketing trend of "greenwashing"
Plain and simple, right now, "green" sells, especially to the younger market, who (even if they smoke) still expect to hang around for a few years, which gives them a stake in the planet.
I guess that bottom line is I hope that "eco friendly" products are being pushed for their intrinsic value more than their bottom line.
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It's about the full environmental cycle of the product. Very few true analyses of this type in all industries, especially this one.
Complicating the environmental impact is the health impact at point of raw material production, application, at the end use.
"Green" encompasses all this and is used by the less scrupulous to appeal to the masses in ways some of us find unappealing. I'm not sure if I have more animosity toward the greenwashers or the greenwearers, if you will, who buy into the less scrupulously advertised products. I think it's even extended at this point into some kind of monster where everything anyone does is magically "green", "local" and "sustainable". It's called happy talk and we go through cultural cycles of getting upset about what we are doing in our environment, making tiny little steps toward improving it and then proceeding to pat ourselves on the back until roused again. Seems to go around every decade or two.
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Forget the green thing- On the other slant of those vids is -- all we need is every bike shop, plumber,
everybody in between and their brother to start their own shop! >:(
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Forget the green thing- On the other slant of those vids is -- all we need is every bike shop, plumber,
everybody in between and their brother to start their own shop! >:(
Now your right that was very interesting, we have a lumber supply store in our area that does screen print and embroidery, and there customer base is guess CONTRACTORS!!!!! LOL, if you look at it it's really not a bad idea on there part.
darryl