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screen printing => 4 Color and Simulated Process Printing => Topic started by: Gilligan on October 07, 2014, 10:50:52 AM
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Just need to bid on this for right now, but the only thing that really has any "process" to it, is the Yellow.
So I started adding up colors and it wasn't far off CMYK + Spot Red. This is going on white shirts.
I have Black, Golden Yellow, Red, Flesh (technically the Conch Shell isn't but I'm sure they would go for it, or I could halftone in some red), green and purple.
Halftoning Green for background and Purple for the "splash" area... probably need to blend golden yellow and red to get that texture in the text and belt.
Is that the better/easier way to approach this? Just Spot Color vs full blown CMYK (which we've never done before) + the spot Red as that isn't gonna come from CMYK and the purple is a little muted as well.
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when it comes to stuff like this, I would rather do an 8 color sim-process job than a CMYK job. I loathe CMYK.
you will come a lot closer with sim process or spot colors than CMYK, especially on your first go.
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when it comes to stuff like this, I would rather do an 8 color sim-process job than a CMYK job. I loathe CMYK.
you will come a lot closer with sim process or spot colors than CMYK, especially on your first go.
Ditto
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That's what I've always heard/read. Which is part of why I started counting colors.
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add a white to the lighter green and purple so they look better on the shirt. very light halftones on white look like there is not enough ink deposited.
pierre
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Looks like a nice spot job with some halftones of colors and like P said use a white base, sim would work nice too.
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Pierre, you are saying throw down an underbase essentially?
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Let's keep in mind, I have a 6 color press. ;)
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I would bid it at 6 colors:
-Red
-Yellow
-Green
-Purple
-Black
-HL White
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I would bid it at 6 colors:
-Red
-Yellow
-Green
-Purple
-Black
-HL White
Chris, what would you do for the flesh color?
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You can make a pretty great flesh color with red yellow and white. I've done it a bunch of times.
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Pierre, you are saying throw down an underbase essentially?
highlight white, no ubase needed on white. Blending it in with the green will give you better coverage and make the print look less grainy and airy.
pierre
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I budgeted it for professional separations.
We probably could do it if it wasn't all these crazy tricks to make it look good... sheesh! ;)
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You should be able to sep this pretty simply in house. For the flesh color it is basically a very low percentage of yellow and slightly more red and a whole lot of white. I honestly don't remember the exact percentages, and they would depend on your inks and process as well.
For the light shades and the red and yellow blends, you just need a small percentage of top white and knock the red back just a bit to allow for gain over the yellow, or print the red first and overprint the yellow. From looking at the art, I don't think you need to be too concerned with hitting absolutely exact shades...
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Pierre, you are saying throw down an underbase essentially?
highlight white, no ubase needed on white. Blending it in with the green will give you better coverage and make the print look less grainy and airy.
pierre
wet on wet would blend better, correct? What percentage white would you use to get those hues? White last? I have never tried this but seems pretty cool and I would definitely use it in the future on something. Thanks!
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I would bid it at 6 colors:
-Red
-Yellow
-Green
-Purple
-Black
-HL White
Chris, what would you do for the flesh color?
That's what I see too, and red, yellow and white for the flesh, just like the funnies...
Steve
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I would use a pretty small percentage of white, like 20-25%, and print it last. A little goes a long way. Wet on Wet vs flashing isn't something I could speak to as most of these kinds of jobs I am flashing everything due to being on a manual. The times I am doing wet on wet really just depend on the print and project specs, and the alignment of the stars or whatever, more than a specific protocol for getting the best blend.
Funny you mention the funnies...The first job I printed a halftone flesh blend like that was ripped straight from a comic and I mimicked the effect :D
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Pierre, you are saying throw down an underbase essentially?
highlight white, no ubase needed on white. Blending it in with the green will give you better coverage and make the print look less grainy and airy.
pierre
wet on wet would blend better, correct? What percentage white would you use to get those hues? White last? I have never tried this but seems pretty cool and I would definitely use it in the future on something. Thanks!
yes, WOW. blend will depend on the color you need. I would shoot for 100% coverage (or pretty close to it), so if it's 20% green fill the rest with white. Actually, I would probably print a little more green than it needs and still print the white as it should be.
pierre
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I think I get it. So print the green at around 25% fill, then white on top around 80%?
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I would bid it at 6 colors:
-Red
-Yellow
-Green
-Purple
-Black
-HL White
For this I would have very little or no % red in the flesh tone, just yellow (PMS 123) and % white. The pic below shows a comic flesh tone that I did this way over a DC Base, The pig has a different % yellow, red and white to give it a slightly different shade. The second pic is of one with Red, Yellow and White. I was working with really bad pic from Gimages.
Chris, what would you do for the flesh color?
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Here is another pic with a % Red (PMS185) and White to get a decent pink that I would do for the shell. The picture of the motorcycle was printed with 7 colors on white shirts with a White HL last all WOW, just like what P said earlier.
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Yes, highlight white last, all WOW.
steve
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Cool stuff guys... Learning everyday!
Now lets hope I get this bid, so we can see how this prints!
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When we ran Super Bowl shirts for the Pats first win, we had a large navy background with a gradation in it. OK, 3:30 am and the graduation disappears. Holy s__t, we need to make another screen! Not so fast, the highlight white screen had run dry; it was overprinting the navy. Pretty damn funny, laughing at ourselves for being such idiots. However, I've used it ever since when necessary.
Steve