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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: Logoman on July 24, 2014, 10:18:12 PM
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Do you use vellum or film?
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I used vellum for simple one colors until my very expensive Minolta/QMS PS Laser crapped out.
Now I use inkjet for all, and don't regret it.
Sure the built-in PS allowed me to control halftones without a RIP, but even with Ghost, my ink dots themselves are much nicer.
I had also lost my source for very good vellum at a very cheap price, so it was already looking less and less attractive.
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I use vellum for 90% of jobs and film for the more complicated ones
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We use both. Laser vellum for the simple, run of the mill stuff. We use film for larger prints and anything with halftones or tight registration.
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not to ask a dumb question (more because I really don't know, and am curious)...
doesn't it take a lot longer to expose a screen using vellum vs film?
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i found it easier to switch over to one...one less piece of equipment, one less set of supplies to order and so on...also, it's consistency.
We used film. I will say that I prefer non-waterproof film over waterproof. I felt it was easier to dial in halftones and the ink sits on top, so I felt like I had a sharper screen, but I could be wrong.
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Film. Having started way before laser printers were invented, film was all there was (darkroom and all that), besides masking films like Rubylith and Amberlith. I wouldn't even believe that vellum would work at all until the first time I tried it. Once I saw someone printing from an Epson 3000 onto roll film, that was that.
Steve
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Film all the way here, the main reason I couldn't get vellum larger than 11x17 and the epson just made things easy, shot I still have a few packs of vellum. What Brad said about non-waterproof film I kind of agree with you Brad that the non-waterproof film does look darker and I know its clearer than waterproof film for sure, but does it make a big difference? I might buy some NWP film the next time I get film because my main reason for waterproof is I can store and get it wet.
darryl
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How much are you paying for film?
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sheets 13x18 less than 100 bucks 17x22 sheets close to the same + waterproof...plenty of guys on here that can sell you some.
darryl
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I get my film from Kevin at River City Graphics here in in Austin. 100 sheets is $100 i believe, 13x19. Works perfectly with my Epson 1400.
I know some people who use the fixxon film and like that as well.
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The cost of vellum is a fraction of the cost of film, so we use both.
We're using an hp5000n for our vellum.. But it's old and slow. What are you vellum guys using to output 11x17 sheets?
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The cost of vellum is a fraction of the cost of film, so we use both.
We're using an hp5000n for our vellum.. But it's old and slow. What are you vellum guys using to output 11x17 sheets?
What fraction? I come up with no better than 1/2 on prices I see, as well as 13x 18 or 19 is not as easy to find.
I see prices like $40-$50 for 100 11x17
Not like the $6 I used to pay for 11x17 back a ways.
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How about this place? Looks like it is still under construction though.. ;)
http://www.valleyscreenprintsupply.com/ (http://www.valleyscreenprintsupply.com/)
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We're paying about $.25 sheet, vs about $1.00 for the same image on film.
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We're paying about $.25 sheet, vs about $1.00 for the same image on film.
Yes, but in my experience, vellum breaks down; the toner likes to stick to emulsion, so maybe you only get one exposure. It depends on humidity, but in the summers here in New England, the toner breaks down badly, not so on the film. Don't get me wrong, we went through tens of thousands of sheets of vellum, but film is simply a superior media. This is where the DTS guys will chime in, but they know what I mean.
Steve
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How about this place? Looks like it is still under construction though.. ;)
[url]http://www.valleyscreenprintsupply.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.valleyscreenprintsupply.com/[/url])
What, no vellum?
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How about this place? Looks like it is still under construction though.. ;)
[url]http://www.valleyscreenprintsupply.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.valleyscreenprintsupply.com/[/url])
What, no vellum?
Is that the same as laser film? Sorry I haven't been around long enough to know that lingo.
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laserfilm is transluscent, like vellum, but a plastic base, not paper. We used to use it with our Xante ScreenWriter 3. Expensive printer, expensive chemicals to make the image was fixed to the film, and would gouge you to death over spare parts.
Steve
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Steve stole my thunder, but here's my contribution anyway
Actually, laser film is its wealthy cousin. Vellum is an actual paper, like tracing paper with a little more body.
Laser film is a frosty polyester with a "toothy" surface. Supposed to shrink less than the vellum. Depends on the printer (and its fuser)
This film is not to be confused with the coated clear film used to make overhead projections.
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Got it. No vellum here then. Sorry
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I use to buy my vellum from a company call We Sellum Vellum or they use that as there slogan
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Luckily we don't have the same humidity problem here in Va.
Still want to know what kind of printers everyone is using.
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Tech Support has the vellum, seems like good pricing but again I am not sure:
http://store.techsupportsps.com/products/laser-vellum (http://store.techsupportsps.com/products/laser-vellum)
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I pay around $160.00 for 1000 sheets of Vellum 11.5 x 17.
$100.00 for 100 sheets of 13 x 19 inkjet film
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I'm a relatively new kid on the block and I have not used vellum since about 2005. Back then I had a HP Laserjet 4M and when that bit the dust, switched to inkjet and film and never looked back.
If you're getting satisfactory results with vellum, then by all means, from those prices, keep doing what you're doing.
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We have too much of a need for tiny, crystal clear film for padprinting so vellum has gone the way of the dinosaurs for us. Great images for screenprinting is nice too.
For sale, 1 mostly full spray can of Toner-aid.
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by the end of my vellum and toner days, I was using any cheap clear lacquer, or enamel, or even some hair sprays, rather than pay the premium price for the toner aid.
They all pretty mkuch did the same thing, slightly dissolved it and redistributed it in a more opaque way.Sending 'em down the dryer worked similarly, but could curl the paper.
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I seem to recall having White Rain as my favorite hairspray fixative...
Steve
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We have a Epson 4880 set up with Accurip, and have black in all the cassettes. We get great blacks on waterproof film that costs about $100 for a 17" wide roll.
The advantage of using rolls is that you can adjust the width of the print and not print a full sheet each time. We set the width slightly larger that our image.
I find that it's much easier to expose film than vellum.
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We have the exact 4880 setup as Maxie, and enjoy the same benefits. However, I still like to utilize the vellum for a portion of our jobs that just don't require the film. We have the burn times dialed in for each, so exposure is not an issue. I am just looking for an upgrade to the hp 5000.
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same as Maxie.... film on a roll!
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4880 with 17" roll, Artisan 1430 with 13"x19".