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screen printing => Ink and Chemicals => Topic started by: screenprintguy on March 31, 2014, 03:38:05 PM
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So I got in a 5er of International Coatings Legacy white through Spot Color supplies, the guys have been great to deal with, great prices as well!!! This ink is so dang creamy, so opquque. You can flash it with an IR flash 3 seconds on a cold pallet. It's killing the performance that we were getting from Street fighter white. Also, it cures lower so the girls are out there rockin out a job right now shirts flying through the dryer with a nice thick deposit, super super opaque! If you can get a sample of it, I highly recommend it over what we have been using. The past few whites were Street Fighter, Miami superior, Wilflex Echo, and Wilflex Quick. It's slamming all of those, "for us". ;D
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Is it cotton only or will it hold up well on troublesome 50/50 colors?
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If its the 711 legacy white its good for blends and cotton. I have been using it for years with great results. I started with 711 7 years ago. Switched to Ryonet White, Excalibur, union, and a few others. It has held up the best. I have shirts I printed 7 years ago I wear every week that still look better then some of the other inks after 2-3 years.
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If its the 711 legacy white its good for blends and cotton. I have been using it for years with great results. I started with 711 7 years ago. Switched to Ryonet White, Excalibur, union, and a few others. It has held up the best. I have shirts I printed 7 years ago I wear every week that still look better then some of the other inks after 2-3 years.
Then I have to ask. Why did you switch?
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here is a link to the full manufacturer specs. I've been told by a supplier to test it on 100% poly. Actually we are going to print on some jacked up jerseys today while we have it up on press, cure it, take it home and put through a couple loads of laundry tonight see how it does. But it even says on the spec sheet, 50/50 and poly, so we shall see. Right now we are running it on Gildan Dark navy and a very light stroke through 125 mesh, 3 second flash and then a second light hit and man it's solid white, no fibrillation, very soft and opaque. Lovin it!
http://www.iccink.com/pdfs/7014%20Legacy%20Wht%20Flyer.pdf (http://www.iccink.com/pdfs/7014%20Legacy%20Wht%20Flyer.pdf)
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What is the after flash tack like?
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it's not tacky at all, I just ran out there and touched it after index, warm, and dry. Pretty nice. We are printing a color right after the flash head and nothing is sticking, usually we battle that if we are forced the run a color right after the flash head, but this stuff is working really nicely.
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If its the 711 legacy white its good for blends and cotton. I have been using it for years with great results. I started with 711 7 years ago. Switched to Ryonet White, Excalibur, union, and a few others. It has held up the best. I have shirts I printed 7 years ago I wear every week that still look better then some of the other inks after 2-3 years.
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The 711 is know as the classic white and the legacy white is a totally different white. We are new to the international ink line so we are learning all the different whites they have to offer, but the legacy white seems to be the go to white. It's made for 100% cotton and 50/50.
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So I got in a 5er of International Coatings Legacy white through Spot Color supplies, the guys have been great to deal with, great prices as well!!! This ink is so dang creamy, so opquque. You can flash it with an IR flash 3 seconds on a cold pallet. It's killing the performance that we were getting from Street fighter white. Also, it cures lower so the girls are out there rockin out a job right now shirts flying through the dryer with a nice thick deposit, super super opaque! If you can get a sample of it, I highly recommend it over what we have been using. The past few whites were Street Fighter, Miami superior, Wilflex Echo, and Wilflex Quick. It's slamming all of those, "for us". ;D
I am glad you guys are loving the new white. We have been having a lot of great feed back from this white. It's a little higher in price than some of the whites you have listed above, but I think it's worth it!!
I tell customer all the time that it might be cheaper but if you have to fight with it and flash it more times are you really saving anything? Time is money !!!
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I have to say Scott, when I opened the bucket and just saw how it was on the lid, I knew it was going to be nice and creamy. It glides with the flood bar so nice compared to SF. We did 5 jobs with it today, just loving it. Also when screens were being carded off, it came off so easy leaving very little behind, big time saver there. Normally we would use a clean up card to card the bulk off, then someone before de-taping would have the different colors with stiff scrapers to get the residual ink off if it was a thicker ink. This stuff is so creamy it won't even need it. Thanks for "pushing me" to try it out in prodcution. ;D
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Awesome! We tested it aswell from Brannon and Scott and will be getting a 5er as soon as my current one runs out. I agree its super nice.
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I have to say Scott, when I opened the bucket and just saw how it was on the lid, I knew it was going to be nice and creamy. It glides with the flood bar so nice compared to SF. We did 5 jobs with it today, just loving it. Also when screens were being carded off, it came off so easy leaving very little behind, big time saver there. Normally we would use a clean up card to card the bulk off, then someone before de-taping would have the different colors with stiff scrapers to get the residual ink off if it was a thicker ink. This stuff is so creamy it won't even need it. Thanks for "pushing me" to try it out in prodcution. ;D
Man that is all good news. When we first started with IC I thought the same thing when I opened the bucket. I am glad that you were able to put it to the test. Let me know what you think about it on 100% poly.
And for anyone thinking about trying it send me a PM.
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Awesome! We tested it aswell from Brannon and Scott and will be getting a 5er as soon as my current one runs out. I agree its super nice.
That's also some good new man. We got all your stuff on ups today!!
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What is the gallon and 5 gallon pricing like?
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What is the gallon and 5 gallon pricing like?
List price is $265
http://shop.spotcolorsupply.com/7014-LB-Legacy-White-5-Gallon-7014LW5.htm (http://shop.spotcolorsupply.com/7014-LB-Legacy-White-5-Gallon-7014LW5.htm)
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What is the gallon and 5 gallon pricing like?
But we are always making deals pm or email me to talk more about pricing.
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So I got in a 5er of International Coatings Legacy white through Spot Color supplies, the guys have been great to deal with, great prices as well!!! This ink is so dang creamy, so opquque. You can flash it with an IR flash 3 seconds on a cold pallet. It's killing the performance that we were getting from Street fighter white. Also, it cures lower so the girls are out there rockin out a job right now shirts flying through the dryer with a nice thick deposit, super super opaque! If you can get a sample of it, I highly recommend it over what we have been using. The past few whites were Street Fighter, Miami superior, Wilflex Echo, and Wilflex Quick. It's slamming all of those, "for us". ;D
Oh no you didn't. I guess it's time to have a Miami superior/legacy white throw down. Superior has blown all the things out of the water we've used with regard to opacity and after 100 shirts into a job last week we were flashing for .8 seconds for the base, and have passed it through 310 for bases at 10"/second. Guess it's worth a try.
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So I got in a 5er of International Coatings Legacy white through Spot Color supplies, the guys have been great to deal with, great prices as well!!! This ink is so dang creamy, so opquque. You can flash it with an IR flash 3 seconds on a cold pallet. It's killing the performance that we were getting from Street fighter white. Also, it cures lower so the girls are out there rockin out a job right now shirts flying through the dryer with a nice thick deposit, super super opaque! If you can get a sample of it, I highly recommend it over what we have been using. The past few whites were Street Fighter, Miami superior, Wilflex Echo, and Wilflex Quick. It's slamming all of those, "for us". ;D
Oh no you didn't. I guess it's time to have a Miami superior/legacy white throw down. Superior has blown all the things out of the water we've used with regard to opacity and after 100 shirts into a job last week we were flashing for .8 seconds for the base, and have passed it through 310 for bases at 10"/second. Guess it's worth a try.
I think we should give it a try!!! What's it going to hurt ?
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$265 (or a deal that made it less) is pretty competitive for a creamy white. I have been REALLY happy with triangle poly excel, but it is pretty pricy. Flashes quick, not sticky, works on everything, easy as crap to print manually through high mesh, etc.
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$265 (or a deal that made it less) is pretty competitive for a creamy white. I have been REALLY happy with triangle poly excel, but it is pretty pricy. Flashes quick, not sticky, works on everything, easy as crap to print manually through high mesh, etc.
Well it sounds like the legacy white is what you are looking for. Email me or pm me about a sample.
Sales@spotcolorsupply.com.
We are getting great feed back on this white. We are now offering 100% money back on all IC inks. If you buy a gallon from us and you don't like it we will refund you a 100% of your money back.
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can I return an empty gallon? ;) if so I'll take 5 of them.
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can I return an empty gallon? ;) if so I'll take 5 of them.
Haha sorry we can't do that one , but from what I am seeing you will be able to tell if you like it with in a few test prints.
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I liked the gallon of Legacy I used. I've used a bunch of whites and it's above average with everything. I'm still using Tidy and likely won't switch until I find something better but I'll try anything. I still like the Miami whites a lot and I'd think the Legacy is on par with them as far as quality goes. The 711 is legendary and I'd love to know how many shirts have been printed with it. Ryonet used to rebrand it and they sold a ton of it. I've used about 10 gallons of it over the years and it was consistent so I'd imagine the Legacy will be as well.
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I liked the gallon of Legacy I used. I've used a bunch of whites and it's above average with everything. I'm still using Tidy and likely won't switch until I find something better but I'll try anything. I still like the Miami whites a lot and I'd think the Legacy is on par with them as far as quality goes. The 711 is legendary and I'd love to know how many shirts have been printed with it. Ryonet used to rebrand it and they sold a ton of it. I've used about 10 gallons of it over the years and it was consistent so I'd imagine the Legacy will be as well.
We have seen that the IC whites are consistent as well as the 7600 series. If you want to try anything just let me know.
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Might need to try some out. Is it similar to 711 now? Last bucket of 711 I checked out was VERY low viscosity for a white.
I heard IC reformulated 711 several times during the pthalate craziness--I've probably printed a few hundred thousand shirts with that white, and back then, most of my work was ON whites. I absolutely loved the stuff, till we got a very stiff bucket, and then a very loose bucket, and then we started buying something else. I'm guessing they have the formulas nailed down now, and it isn't changing anymore? I really miss the 'old' 711 when my new whites make me want to smack around reps... ;)
FWIW, I love their reds and blues, although they are a tinge too transparent for my tastes out of the bucket, they are pretty reasonably priced...
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It's nicer than the 711. Printed a bunch of jobs today with the Legacy, underbasing, 50/50's. Didn't pass the 100% poly test, didnt think it would, but its great on the 50/50's. Unreal how creamy it is.
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Might need to try some out. Is it similar to 711 now? Last bucket of 711 I checked out was VERY low viscosity for a white.
I heard IC reformulated 711 several times during the pthalate craziness--I've probably printed a few hundred thousand shirts with that white, and back then, most of my work was ON whites. I absolutely loved the stuff, till we got a very stiff bucket, and then a very loose bucket, and then we started buying something else. I'm guessing they have the formulas nailed down now, and it isn't changing anymore? I really miss the 'old' 711 when my new whites make me want to smack around reps... ;)
FWIW, I love their reds and blues, although they are a tinge too transparent for my tastes out of the bucket, they are pretty reasonably priced...
The 711 white is a totally different IC white. It's the 711 classic and the legacy white.
A lot of the ink manufactures had a heck of the time when they started with the pthalate free inks. I remember the quick white was a pain for awhile.
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It's nicer than the 711. Printed a bunch of jobs today with the Legacy, underbasing, 50/50's. Didn't pass the 100% poly test, didnt think it would, but its great on the 50/50's. Unreal how creamy it is.
I was wondering about the poly. I hear some customers say that they can make 50/50 whites print on 100% poly under the best conditions ,but that one time you don't get perfect conditions and mess up a bunch of shirts.
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we gave the 100% a try. It was a red st350, notorious bleeder, double strokes, 2 second flash, pfp, dryer set at 310, temp on the ink road out at about 308 for 20 seconds.
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we gave the 100% a try. It was a red st350, notorious bleeder, double strokes, 2 second flash, pfp, dryer set at 310, temp on the ink road out at about 308 for 20 seconds.
That is some good condition. Well at least we know now.
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I've been telling myself to try this for a while & haven't because l'm so stuck in my way :) I'll have to give it a try.
Murphy37
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I've been telling myself to try this for a while & haven't because l'm so stuck in my way :) I'll have to give it a try.
Murphy37
Just let me know what we need to do to get some of this white in your hands.
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Wow what a great thread!!! Thanks to mike we sold out of the Legacy white. We will be getting a full stock on Monday. If any one else needs some please let me know.
For the people who haven't received the samples yet, we will be shipping them out once we get some more white in!!! Just email me about samples please sales@spotcolorsupply.com
Thank you everyone for putting some time into trying out our product.
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That's awesome Scott, glad I could help!!! We've been rockin the heck out of this stuff since we got it in, really lovin it!
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We tried some of this Friday morning & by the end of the day went through the whole Gal.
It did have a different body & different print characteristics to it than what we use now.
Good opacity & fiber mat down on a variety of blends and colors.
PFP & UB with good results.
Didn't get to use it with high mesh & fine detail yet.
Murphy37
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We tried some of this Friday morning & by the end of the day went through the whole Gal.
It did have a different body & different print characteristics to it than what we use now.
Good opacity & fiber mat down on a variety of blends and colors.
PFP & UB with good results.
Didn't get to use it with high mesh & fine detail yet.
Murphy37
I am glad you guys liked it we have our full stock back in ready to ship. We can also do IC color matches now!!!
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That's awesome Scott, glad I could help!!! We've been rockin the heck out of this stuff since we got it in, really lovin it!
I am glad you are lovin it so are we lol!
Side note all still good with the PHU emulsion ?
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I hope everyone that requested sample received them. Let us know what you think about the Legacy white.
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...just wanted to share with the board that this ink is THE DEAL. Ive never seen an ink this opaque, that clears clears so easily. Prints like a dream, NO JOKE. If it continues to perform as it has thus far, we have our new go-to white ink , hands down. Blows Streetfighter, Miami, Sprint, Quick, 711, QCM, all of em, completely out of the water. Worth every penny to get a sample from these guys.
...TRY IT!!!!! 8) 8) 8) 8)
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At least in my shop, it floods better and is creamier than superior and I imagine when in production would therefore print faster at lower pressure ... but I would have to beg to differ that it's more opaque than the superior ink or has the matte down quality that superior has, but it's certainly no slouch either, better than others we've used in the past. It's certainly an ink that would be a go to ink for many shops, no doubt. Had no time to test the tack after flash or flash times.
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...just wanted to share with the board that this ink is THE DEAL. Ive never seen an ink this opaque, that clears clears so easily. Prints like a dream, NO JOKE. If it continues to perform as it has thus far, we have our new go-to white ink , hands down. Blows Streetfighter, Miami, Sprint, Quick, 711, QCM, all of em, completely out of the water. Worth every penny to get a sample from these guys.
...TRY IT!!!!! 8) 8) 8) 8)
Sean
Glad to hear it worked out for you. I have heard all good news about this white. I am glad we have such a great ink line behind us now. Can't want to see you next month!!!
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This is a good-go to ink. Find myself going to it more already & have a lot of our other stuff to go through still, but liked it so much I already ordered some more. Good price too.
Murphy37
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So with all the rave I decided to give the legacy a shot... While the ink has way above average opacity it just didnt do it for me. I had a 3000 pcs run that I ran the ink on and I battled a few things with it. First being print squeegee speed I had to slow our stroke down approx 25% as the ink body was extremely full forcing me to slow the stroke in order to shear the ink. The next problem was flash time, on a job like this we usually dwell at under 1.5 sec flash time but we could never go under 3 sec dwell with this ink. The next concern for me was the ink likes to sit way on top of the fabric compared to what I like to see. The fibers were suspended in the ink and not matted down as much as id like to see. I went back to our normal white for the 2nd location for this 3000 pcs run which was on same screens(opposite side) and we were back to running faster with better matt down imo. Im def going to play more with the ink before making any conculsions but from the one job ran with it I wasnt jumping with joy... With every shop being so different it's hard to say what works and doesn't imo but this ink so far didn't give me the results I expected. Sorry to derail the happy train lol
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So with all the rave I decided to give the legacy a shot... While the ink has way above average opacity it just didnt do it for me. I had a 3000 pcs run that I ran the ink on and I battled a few things with it. First being print squeegee speed I had to slow our stroke down approx 25% as the ink body was extremely full forcing me to slow the stroke in order to shear the ink. The next problem was flash time, on a job like this we usually dwell at under 1.5 sec flash time but we could never go under 3 sec dwell with this ink. The next concern for me was the ink likes to sit way on top of the fabric compared to what I like to see. The fibers were suspended in the ink and not matted down as much as id like to see. I went back to our normal white for the 2nd location for this 3000 pcs run which was on same screens(opposite side) and we were back to running faster with better matt down imo. Im def going to play more with the ink before making any conculsions but from the one job ran with it I wasnt jumping with joy... With every shop being so different it's hard to say what works and doesn't imo but this ink so far didn't give me the results I expected. Sorry to derail the happy train lol
No derail. A 3sec. flash here too. It does sit on top of the shirt a bit more than what we have been using too. It did give decent fiber matte down for us. We have been using our white for so long we just started to try some other stuff out & have been liking it for some things over others, I also like the price. I can see if you are getting 1.5 sec. flash a big argument for not changing inks.
There are a few characteristics about this ink we don't like but I want to spend some more time with it to get a better feel for it, & try a few more things too.
Murphy37
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What ink are you using instead danny?
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Man, Danny, sorry it didn't work out for you. It's been awesome for us. But then again, we aren't dwelling at 1.5 sec, 3 seconds for us on the DB is fast, so I guess this is where like you said, different shop's parameters will experience products in a differnt way. I know for us, it's been better for underbasing. We usually battled inks wanting to come off the UB after about 3 wet on wet colors, but with this, for us, it seems to hold the top coats better. I guess when you start printing at super sonic speeds like you guys are, there may be a need for something faster in the flashing department. :-[ I guess the old say holds true, what works for some is different for others.
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So with all the rave I decided to give the legacy a shot... While the ink has way above average opacity it just didnt do it for me. I had a 3000 pcs run that I ran the ink on and I battled a few things with it. First being print squeegee speed I had to slow our stroke down approx 25% as the ink body was extremely full forcing me to slow the stroke in order to shear the ink. The next problem was flash time, on a job like this we usually dwell at under 1.5 sec flash time but we could never go under 3 sec dwell with this ink. The next concern for me was the ink likes to sit way on top of the fabric compared to what I like to see. The fibers were suspended in the ink and not matted down as much as id like to see. I went back to our normal white for the 2nd location for this 3000 pcs run which was on same screens(opposite side) and we were back to running faster with better matt down imo. Im def going to play more with the ink before making any conculsions but from the one job ran with it I wasnt jumping with joy... With every shop being so different it's hard to say what works and doesn't imo but this ink so far didn't give me the results I expected. Sorry to derail the happy train lol
...maybe I should clarify my statement a bit; Granted, it is not THE most opaque I have seen, BUT I think that the opacity-vs-ink shear ratio is better than any other inks I have tested. We use static frames here, which of course are not super hi-tension, so ink shear for us is kind of important. We also use a roller squeegee, so that negates any mat-down issue. And on our press, a DB, a 3-second dwell is no problem.
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I guess the old say holds true, what works for some is different for others.
Exactly!!! That is why manufacturers have so many different whites. The legacy has proven to be a great white, but no one white pleases everyone.
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We handed out a bunch of samples any more updates ? We just got a full stock of Ic inks. I am offering 10% to all tsb member on international coatings 7600 series!!! For the rest of the month.
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Love the ink! For me, Legacy was brighter, and more opaque than Epic Quick. Creamy texture and smooth shear as well.
So far I've only tested on 110 and 126 mesh. Will try on 160 and 200 in the near future.
Chances are good that Legacy White will be replacing Epic Quick in my shop.
Thanks again Scott for the sample!
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I managed to get a quart to sample over here in New Zealand form a Screen Printing company that imports large amounts.
I have so far found it nice. Not as big difference as I expected I guess.
I have previously been using Rutland SF. As good for sure... Better... I dunno.
Perhaps I will notice more of a difference when running on the auto...
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I have only been able to use it on two jobs on the manual. I really like the ink, and was able to get a great p/f/p 100% opaque and smooth print on a pretty fuzzy heather. I haven't seen any bleed issue yet. It prints almost exactly like the poly excel, but is less expensive, so I will probably be buying a 5er soon for my jobs on 100% cotton and some blends. I agree it wasn't like an "O WOW!" experience vs my normal white, but I also already tested and ruled out a lot of other whites a while ago, so my normal white is already really good for me. I definitely saw no downsides to the ink though, especially on the manual. Creamy, mats down well, flashes in plenty of time, opaque, sheers well, etc. Saving money over my current white is also a plus.
I'd still like to know what white Danny is normally using :D
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Love the ink! For me, Legacy was brighter, and more opaque than Epic Quick. Creamy texture and smooth shear as well.
So far I've only tested on 110 and 126 mesh. Will try on 160 and 200 in the near future.
Chances are good that Legacy White will be replacing Epic Quick in my shop.
Thanks again Scott for the sample!
I am glad we were able to help you guys test this white. If you guys need anything else please just let me know.
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I'm testing it here today. I finally found the perfect job to try it with.
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I'm testing it here today. I finally found the perfect job to try it with.
I am glad you found a job to try it out on. Please let us know what you think about it.
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I'm sold. I have to admit I was a bit skeptical because I've used Wilflex epic white for about 2 years. I've got approximately 3 gallons of wilflex epic left and I'll be purchasing 5 gallons of the legacy. It's smooth, floods great, flashes 2 seconds faster on a cold pallet and it's extremely opaque. I also noticed that it has great fiber matte down characteristics as well.
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I'm sold. I have to admit I was a bit skeptical because I've used Wilflex epic white for about 2 years. I've got approximately 3 gallons of wilflex epic left and I'll be purchasing 5 gallons of the legacy. It's smooth, floods great, flashes 2 seconds faster on a cold pallet and it's extremely opaque. I also noticed that it has great fiber matte down characteristics as well.
Good news for all of us!!! Just let us know when you need that 5 gallon pail.
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I'm sold. I have to admit I was a bit skeptical because I've used Wilflex epic white for about 2 years. I've got approximately 3 gallons of wilflex epic left and I'll be purchasing 5 gallons of the legacy. It's smooth, floods great, flashes 2 seconds faster on a cold pallet and it's extremely opaque. I also noticed that it has great fiber matte down characteristics as well.
I dont want to bash the ink but I would gladly send you my five that ran a small order for that 3 gallons of Quick. My 5 of Legacy is a 60 pound paperweight. It might be a good white for a manual printer but it cant hold a candle in the wind to QW on a decent sized run on an auto. It is a get what you pay for white at best. Its bleed resistance is not all that great either.
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Running it on a CH3D and its killing the Quick I loved for so many years! Different shops, different results I guess.
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Running it on a CH3D and its killing the Quick I loved for so many years! Different shops, different results I guess.
Second that! Quick was our fave a couple years ago, doesn't hold up to this Legacy for us either. Different shops, different results stands the test of time I guess. Maybe different press's, and different printers parameters, but for us it's been awesome!
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I've found it to be good. Not great, but good. I felt like I could get it to print better than it did. For us, xtreme white has proved to be the best.
Sonny is coming in to test a few things out here. I'll give most whites another shot after that.
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Brought in a gallon of the Legacy to mess with after watching this thread. Will report back after testing...
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I'm sold. I have to admit I was a bit skeptical because I've used Wilflex epic white for about 2 years. I've got approximately 3 gallons of wilflex epic left and I'll be purchasing 5 gallons of the legacy. It's smooth, floods great, flashes 2 seconds faster on a cold pallet and it's extremely opaque. I also noticed that it has great fiber matte down characteristics as well.
I dont want to bash the ink but I would gladly send you my five that ran a small order for that 3 gallons of Quick. My 5 of Legacy is a 60 pound paperweight. It might be a good white for a manual printer but it cant hold a candle in the wind to QW on a decent sized run on an auto. It is a get what you pay for white at best. Its bleed resistance is not all that great either.
I am sorry you feel that way about it. There is no reason to just have that white sit there. How much do you have left? I will help you out and buy it off you at a good price.
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So I've now run around 8000 prints using this legacy white and still not getting results Im thrilled with. I have gone through a few different gallons from different suppliers/lots and they all act the same. I do like the way it looks once printed but my big deal is the speed in which I have to print it. I can't get it to flood across the screen without it sticking to the floodbar or pushing way out the sides with non winged bars and honestly just can't print anywhere near the speed I can with our other whites. It might not be an issue for some but being a decent amount of my work is contract printing running 45 doz vs 75 is a big difference for me. With a few mods the ink works really nice but out of the bucket(after stirring very well) it doesn't hold up to other whites we use. Like you guys said all shops are different but this ink just prints too slow for lots of our jobs from what I've experienced and can't get it to roll on the flood no matter what unless I mod the ink. Anyone else experience this? Curious to know.
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Would you mind sharing what white(s) are your standards? Your prints are always impressive and I know I can't be the only one curious about your ink choices.
I agree it is not the best white out there, but it is creamy, opaque, and has a nice look after cure, and the price is pretty decent. Not to derail, but I am finishing up a run where I was testing a new white I got this morning (Excalibur TKO) and it sucks hard, but it's always kind of fun (in a way) seeing just how completely different some whites print.
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It pushes way out the sides for me too, that's the only downfall for us so far, even with a winged flood bar. However I have been printing it at 73 dozen hr. on the CH3D without any modifications.
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I tried it out on a short run last night after running a job with Xenon White (based down with 5% xenbase)...
I don't have those cool monitors for how fast the squeegees run, but on the chopper head, with a double-bevel squeegee, I was running fast.
Granted I didn't spend a lot of time dialing it in as it was a 24 piece job, but here's my observations:
Pros:
- it flashes fast (at least as fast as wilflex quick white, possibly faster)
- it's after-flash tack was excellent.
- it cleared the screen (156 mesh) nicely
- Opacity seemed good.. but definitely not a 1-hit-white candidate
Cons:
- definitely doesn't roll like the quick white or xenon white, in fact, I was even getting some squeegee climb... again, not a long run so I'm not sure if I would have worked it more if it would have gotten better.
- fibralation was a bit of an issue on the purple gildan ultra shirts I ran with it.
I have another job coming up at the end of next week that I'll give it another shot on... It's certainly not a 'change my white instantly to this new one' white ink.
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It pushes way out the sides for me too, that's the only downfall for us so far, even with a winged flood bar. However I have been printing it at 73 dozen hr. on the CH3D without any modifications.
I wonder if that difference in prodution speed is difference in performance. For us on our press, 40 doz is about where we are. My nazdar rep told me that wilflex echo white is very popular in south American big box contract print shops gor its ability to tun smooth at high speeds. Hsve you heard or tried that one. I hope to be up to y'alls speed soon :o
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I think I have a sample of echo sitting somewhere, but right now we are sticking with Legacy until the next Great Thread that says "AWESOME" in the title appears. ;)
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It pushes way out the sides for me too, that's the only downfall for us so far, even with a winged flood bar. However I have been printing it at 73 dozen hr. on the CH3D without any modifications.
I wonder if that difference in prodution speed is difference in performance. For us on our press, 40 doz is about where we are. My nazdar rep told me that wilflex echo white is very popular in south American big box contract print shops gor its ability to tun smooth at high speeds. Hsve you heard or tried that one. I hope to be up to y'alls speed soon :o
You can add some low build additive to it that should fix that problem.
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I think I have a sample of echo sitting somewhere, but right now we are sticking with Legacy until the next Great Thread that says "AWESOME" in the title appears. ;)
You are the man. It was some good laughs last time we talked. 10.25% and not a penny more lol
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I think I have a sample of echo sitting somewhere, but right now we are sticking with Legacy until the next Great Thread that says "AWESOME" in the title appears. ;)
Agreed. We don't have that nasa sound barrier breaking speed issue, lol, we love this Lagacy. I figured I'd drop the echo idea for Danny since he's not seeing what he wants in speed. I know speed has it's place, but for me final print quality Is most important. Since Danny's prints are so nice, and he likes the final look of the print, it might be one of those sacrifices.
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So I've now run around 8000 prints using this legacy white and still not getting results Im thrilled with. I have gone through a few different gallons from different suppliers/lots and they all act the same. I do like the way it looks once printed but my big deal is the speed in which I have to print it. I can't get it to flood across the screen without it sticking to the floodbar or pushing way out the sides with non winged bars and honestly just can't print anywhere near the speed I can with our other whites. It might not be an issue for some but being a decent amount of my work is contract printing running 45 doz vs 75 is a big difference for me. With a few mods the ink works really nice but out of the bucket(after stirring very well) it doesn't hold up to other whites we use. Like you guys said all shops are different but this ink just prints too slow for lots of our jobs from what I've experienced and can't get it to roll on the flood no matter what unless I mod the ink. Anyone else experience this? Curious to know.
We have had similar results with this ink. While I do like the ink it does like to climb the squeegee & floodbar, also pushing off to the side quickly needing wings & a lot of ink in the screen, or some mods to keep a good well. It does seem to flash quick & have decent fiber matte-down. But we do need to slow the press down for the proper squeegee sheer so depending on how big the image is a quick flash my not matter if I need to print slower. As for its one-hit properties it is a good thick ink & lays on top of the fabric good, but I don't think it has any puff additives in it which has helped us with a one-hit white on other inks. On the flip side the lack of puff makes for a better top coat white being able to hold the fine & supper tinny text, like those fun little ® on the trap screen. The 1gal. sample bucket we used did seem to be a bit thicker than the 5gal. but seems to print all the same so that might just be me. All & all a pretty awesome ink depending on what you want you're white ink to do. Still doing testing with it & some others though.
Murphy37
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I think I have a sample of echo sitting somewhere, but right now we are sticking with Legacy until the next Great Thread that says "AWESOME" in the title appears. ;)
You are the man. It was some good laughs last time we talked. 10.25% and not a penny more lol
10.25% that's an original idea!
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So any more updates on the white.
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Running low on Miami superior so I bought a gallon of legacy from Nazdar while we wait for the fiver of Miamis to get here. Well I ended up using it on some cotton jobs and it was ok, just ok. But when we got to a fleece job the fibre matt down was terrible, it was so bad the screen was not clearing at all. It simply did not sheer from the surface. Ended up cleaning it out of the screen and putting Miamis superior white and and had zero problems.
I know some may say to modify the ink with this or that but I prefer an ink the is RFU and does not require me having to do something to it that the manufacturers already should do.
One thing it does flash very fast and is not tacky after flash, better than Miamis at least.
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Running low on Miami superior so I bought a gallon of legacy from Nazdar while we wait for the fiver of Miamis to get here. Well I ended up using it on some cotton jobs and it was ok, just ok. But when we got to a fleece job the fibre matt down was terrible, it was so bad the screen was not clearing at all. It simply did not sheer from the surface. Ended up cleaning it out of the screen and putting Miamis superior white and and had zero problems.
I know some may say to modify the ink with this or that but I prefer an ink the is RFU and does not require me having to do something to it that the manufacturers already should do.
One thing it does flash very fast and is not tacky after flash, better than Miamis at least.
That's weird. We ran 500 red Jerseys pullover hoodies with legacy as the ub and the highlight and we had the exact oposite. Maybe since it's so dam hot down here in Fl. Don't know but so far it's killing the other whites we've used. I had some other samples sent to me to try, one was Knock out white. Didn't really like it. It printed nice, but the opacity was dull, almost an off white look. I'm guessing, different inks, may react differently in everyone's shops and areas. Miami for us was ok, but curing was all over the board and almost 2 years later from when we used 5 fiver of it, I'm looking at prints that don't look to have held up as well as anything printed with wilflex, or Rutland whites that we've done years earlier.
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I bought a gallon of this stuff to see if it will replace my beloved Triangle Phoenix white...unfortunately, it doesn't even come close. how are you guys getting this stuff to print? I have completely switched to IC inks and this would have been nice to slide in place but so far, it's going to be turned into a HW...it floods really poorly and I really do not like to add anything to my inks if I don't have to. we mixed it for ten minutes in my heated ink room and it still printed poorly.....just shows how every shop is different I guess.
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We had similar results with out making a few little modifications to it, but a very base helped a lot. Went through a 5er of it but haven't used it since then.
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I bought a gallon of this stuff to see if it will replace my beloved Triangle Phoenix white...unfortunately, it doesn't even come close. how are you guys getting this stuff to print? I have completely switched to IC inks and this would have been nice to slide in place but so far, it's going to be turned into a HW...it floods really poorly and I really do not like to add anything to my inks if I don't have to. we mixed it for ten minutes in my heated ink room and it still printed poorly.....just shows how every shop is different I guess.
That is odd Homer. For us, it floods great, flashes fast, has been, so far, better underbasing than any white we've used. I notice less lift off of top colors. Cures great. Not relying on it as a low bleed, we are just too paranoid these days, but so far over all performance of this white has been awesome for us. One of my suppliers is really pushing for us to try a new wilflex white called amazing. He's sending a sample, but it will have to be amazing for us to replace the legacy it's just been great for us. I sometimes wonder if there are inconsistencies in areas of the country where suppliers may be pouring their own batches. I just did a big run of black shirts using Legacy yesterday. Very high detail, so we used 180 S mesh. The opacity was 100% ink, no fibrillation. PFP with zero modification to the ink's viscosity. I hate recommending something to people and them not having the same performance as I'm having, but like you said, things must vary from area to area, because I've had peopel swear by certain emulsions that for us were by far the worst. , "Things that make ya go Hmmmmmmm" ;D
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I got a quart from Mel-Ray a couple of weeks ago and tried it out. Prints easily out of the can with no modification, nice matte finish and a low cure temp according to IC -- 300 or just under. Printed some red 50/50 polos with it.
But then I'm in sunny Florida, too.
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I got a quart from Mel-Ray a couple of weeks ago and tried it out. Prints easily out of the can with no modification, nice matte finish and a low cure temp according to IC -- 300 or just under. Printed some red 50/50 polos with it.
But then I'm in sunny Florida, too.
see, that's just insane! this stuff is like tacky, thick white tar. it's at temp, mid 70's atleast, it's warmer in the ink room...is there another formula? maybe I have a new formulation or possibly the old one...or maybe it's perfect and I don't have a clue what i'm doing...mind = blown....
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Jay: I had the same problem with it. It was super tacky, even after stirring, and climbed the squeegee and floodbar like crazy.
Didn't like it and went back to Wilflex Quick White.
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I got a quart from Mel-Ray a couple of weeks ago and tried it out. Prints easily out of the can with no modification, nice matte finish and a low cure temp according to IC -- 300 or just under. Printed some red 50/50 polos with it.
But then I'm in sunny Florida, too.
exact results we are getting. I wonder if temp and humidity effects plastisol. We were using Street Fighter before this, and I hated how SF would climb the squeegee unless we added 2% reducer, but that little bit would affect the opacity where the Legacy was just like the perfect all around fix. Man sorry some of you guys aren't getting the same results.
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im in the tacky, climbing party as well. i liked the final look and quick flash, but scraping ink every 25 shirts was tedious.
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Floods like Sh!t, prints like a dream! My opinion.