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screen printing => Separations => Topic started by: Kevbeck on February 03, 2014, 03:40:18 PM
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Hi all.
How do you store your positives?
We started out using filing cabinets, but now we are getting into extra large prints, which don't fit in the cabinets....
We don't have loads of space to spare, suggestions please
Thanks
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Came up just a couple of weeks ago as well
http://www.theshirtboard.com/index.php/topic,10528.msg101437.html#msg101437 (http://www.theshirtboard.com/index.php/topic,10528.msg101437.html#msg101437)
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Jalema
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Big a$$ed HD with mirror/offsite backup
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I second Mr. Kitson!
sam
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So, Greg and Sam, like Brad, you guys don't re-use films, thus eliminating the storage issue?
For us old timers still sitting on some actual ortho films from yesteryear, the new inkjet technology is a helluva lot cheaper and easier to consider one use only.
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NO Frog..we have direct to screen...no film anymore...so nice!
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Please don't do what I do LOL, but I take my film and put them in a big envelope and store them in a large tote box, not the best way in the world but it works for me....
Darryl
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NO Frog..we have direct to screen...no film anymore...so nice!
Exactly, something to shoot for, but not really a solution for the problem at hand.
You may remember what happened to Marie Antoinette eventually after her suggested (though probably incorrectly attributed) solution to the peasant's problem of not having bread.
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as a former x ray tech I would go to staples dot com and get x ray folders. then alphabetic store them
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Big a$$ed HD with mirror/offsite backup
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What do you guys do if hit with a virus? I ask because we where just hit with this "CryptLocker" and lost all of our art files on our HD (posted about it last week). This is debilitating and will take us some time to bounce back from it. We where told that even an off site back-up would not have helped us.
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Big a$$ed HD with mirror/offsite backup
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What do you guys do if hit with a virus? I ask because we where just hit with this "CryptLocker" and lost all of our art files on our HD (posted about it last week). This is debilitating and will take us some time to bounce back from it. We where told that even an off site back-up would not have helped us.
I am not geeky enough to ansewer that question but my hope is that is why I pay Trend, Purus and Barracuda.
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Same here as Greg. We found out the hard way a few years ago that we hadn't properly been backed up. That has since changed to the best of my knowledge. (We did test it a while back) So on the flip side. What would you do if you lost all of your film, say in a flood or fire?
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Same here as Greg. We found out the hard way a few years ago that we hadn't properly been backed up. That has since changed to the best of my knowledge. (We did test it a while back) So on the flip side. What would you do if you lost all of your film, say in a flood or fire?
I have always kept files backed up on our Hard Drives (we have/had more than 1). Well this virus has encrypted every art file rendering them useless.
The way it works in a nutshell:
- open an email that has an infected attachment. This email will be familiar to you and possibly one opened recently
- virus comes in to your system and encrypts every file in your system, so when you backup the files they are all encrypted.
When your mirror HD backs up, you get a mirror (copy) of the encrypted file, same thing happens when you save it off
site or in a cloud.
- next you will get a screen telling you to send $ to get the encryption coed to unlock your files. this can range from $300 to
$10s of thousands. (we never saw this screen until it was too late) even then I was told its a crapshoot at best.
We have been in business since 1993 I have hundreds if not thousands of files of custom art and seps that I cannot begin to put a price tag on that are now useless.
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parker, how recent was this?
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That really sucks Parker.
I need to get caught up on filing away but my system is to keep:
copy1 on the main workstation HD. Workstation is backed up by time machine to an external drive.
copy2 is drug into google drive and rests there as a separate, static copy.
Something would have to compromise our workstation, compromise the time machine HD (we might catch it and disconnect before it backs up), then somehow compromise our google drive account. There's probably a better/smarter way to do this than what I'm doing but actually having completely separate copies is the key I think.
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parker, how recent was this?
Last week. I first noticed Monay when working did not realize what it was. We shut down Tuesday and Wedsday due to weather.
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holy chit.
I don't see how we could recover from that. i am going to reanalyze how we do our backups here though.
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as a former x ray tech I would go to staples dot com and get x ray folders. then alphabetic store them
Still using film.. THIS is the way to go.
The stickers on the side edge make for super easy tracking.
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Yep that scares the crap outta me. Probably should re start burning cd's again.
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I think at the beginning of every month we will copy everything to a new hard drive, keep that drive for 6 months and write over it. so we will be rotating 6 drives in all, and when they are written, we will stash them in a fireproof safe offsite.
that is on top of the raid, plus offsite cloud backup.
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Ohhhh, swapping out raid drives sounds like a real easy way to do this. Good thought.
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We do the same.. 12 drives.. 1 for each month... rotate them in and out of our safety deposit box at the bank... data share backup every month and then taken offsite.
Any of the cloud backup providers should be able to offer historical backups and changes. (Mozy comes to mind)... you can restore a file to a particular point in time... but I trust my own hardware as a tertiary backup.
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for the price of the online backup companies, it's worth a little extra piece of mind...also, those are good if you copy over a file and need to get it quick, just log on and download the old version.
safe deposit box at the bank, huh? never thought of that.
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I use google drive for digital storage/backup. You can access your files from any computer with an internet connection, it syncs well with gmail for shooting off proofs (which I use with my domain name to manage emails: AWESOME), and for 100G of space I pay 4 dollars a month. It also automatically supports versioning and has built in excel/word/etc. I can't imagine using something else...
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yeah, until those files become corrupted.
I use backblaze...it allows us to backup from external drives, like our NAS. carbonite does now I think as well...backblaze is about $5 per month for unlimited.
But, I will be adding the offsite hard drive backup as well...i am not taking any chances.
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corrupted? ive been using it since release on 3 computers without issue and have a 1gb external i use every 3 months as an extra precaution. the files are stored locally on each machine as well, so if you notice corruption you could quickly and easily backup from another computer or delete and resync. i cant imagine spending a lot more money for services that do the same thing without the gmail integration...
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did you miss what jparker posted up top? a virus will chew through those files in no time...even the backup versions, and you won't notice until it's too late.
backblaze costs less considering the amount of storage I use.
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I think the question as to online backup corruption would be how long is it before you notice the data is corrupted.
I've used Mozy to recover a version of a file from 3 weeks prior, and that file had daily changes made to it. I could select whatever day I wanted the version of the file for recovery. Quite useful if you have multiple people updating files.
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Is their not any settings available to not allow encryption? I have been reading about the new encryption scams going on, no you probably could not stop it from encrypting your HD but surely your back up site should be able to deny encryption some how.
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I read what parker wrote, and I still fail to see how a virus will corrupt old versions of google drive files. Every time you sync with drive with each computer, it will create a new version of the file if there have been changes made. If a virus corrupts a file or many files, they would be stored as a new versions, but you can easily restore an old, uncorrupted version from drive. I haven't dealt with something like parker is describing, but I have had to restore past versions of files due to plenty of other issues, as innocent as making changes to a psd file and saving over a previous version locally that I wanted to reference again. Two minutes online and I had the old version to work from.
There are threads specifically discussing crytoviruses and google drive, and it's mentioned in a number of them how other services experience the same pitfalls as drive when it comes to isolating and backing up the unencrypted files from past versions because they aren't technically infected with a virus, just encrypted. While cumbersome, you can restore older unecrypted versions of files from google drive.
My advice on best practices when it comes to these services is to disable autosyncing or syncing on startup, and to have multiple computers syncing to the same service. For example, if I have google drive on my laptop and my desktop, i will work on one, sync when finished, move to my other computer, sync, and continue working. If I was to get a cryptovirus during a session on one computer, I would have the opportunity to not sync the other computer and restore the files from there, or restore the files from within google drive using it's built in versioning capabilities if I made the mistake of syncing from the other computer.
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because as the files are corrupted, they replace the good files that are stored. you start backing up corrupted files that essentially have a timer on them as to when they lock up and demand payment.
you don't know it's happening until it's too late....but go ahead and take your chances the way you are doing it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransomware_(malware) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransomware_(malware))
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This thread has evolved far from suggestions on how best to store films, but I can play too.
I am surprised that these
"Cryptoware" nasties can somehow also overide the
"Go Back" and restore type applications and accessories.
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This thread has evolved far from suggestions on how best to store films, but I can play too.
I am surprised that these
"Cryptoware" nasties can somehow also overide the
"Go Back" and restore type applications and accessories.
Actually pretty easily Andy. Most viruses and malware can make your windows restore look down right silly. Reason why is one of the first things they do when executed is to infect the actual back up/restore files.
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NO Frog..we have direct to screen...no film anymore...so nice!
SO nice to not have to file film anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jobs stored between 4 hard drives and a cloud. Should never lose ;D
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IF the clound backup provider is offering the right servive, the ransomware/crypto viruses will only infect the latest backup version. You should be able to restore to a version before the file was corrupted.
This right here tho is the reason why I keep 12 harddrives offsite as backups. Most likely if something occurs, we're gonna notice it within a year.
$60 or so for a 1tb hard drive is cheap protection...
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we lost a hard drive years ago before carbonite or anything like that...cost about $2500 to have it opened up and salvaged...it wouldn't spin...period.
an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure
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I also like to keep a drawer with thumb drives, Call me nuts, but having different disconnected storage sources never hurts ;D
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because as the files are corrupted, they replace the good files that are stored. you start backing up corrupted files that essentially have a timer on them as to when they lock up and demand payment.
you don't know it's happening until it's too late....but go ahead and take your chances the way you are doing it.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransomware_(malware)[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransomware_(malware))[/url]
I don't think you're understanding the concept of versioning. Google drive saves the last 100 versions of each file. Versions are created whenever the modified date is changed locally and the file is synced. Unless you are changing a file over 100 times AFTER the cryptovirus gets to it AND syncing it over 100 times you can restore from an uneffected version. It only replaces the file locally or on the main file tree in drive (or other backup solutions that support versioning), it does not replace the past versions of the files. In google drive those past versions are stored on redundant servers and do not count against your storage limitations.
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This thread has evolved far from suggestions on how best to store films, but I can play too.
I am surprised that these
"Cryptoware" nasties can somehow also overide the
"Go Back" and restore type applications and accessories.
Andy I did not intend to derail the thread, however this is proving somewhat helpful in setting-up my backups in the future. And I also wanted to caution others.
IF the clound backup provider is offering the right servive, the ransomware/crypto viruses will only infect the latest backup version. You should be able to restore to a version before the file was corrupted.
The previous versions of this thing did not encrypt shadow back-ups or 1st versions, however this one does. I can not stress to you all what this has done to our business. My I.T. guy gave me a list of the files that are encrypted today and we lost 12,000+ files and are still counting. Our new HD will have a third timed save option that disconnects from the network.
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This thread has evolved far from suggestions on how best to store films, but I can play too.
I am surprised that these
"Cryptoware" nasties can somehow also overide the
"Go Back" and restore type applications and accessories.
Andy I did not intend to derail the thread, however this is proving somewhat helpful in setting-up my backups in the future. And I also wanted to caution others.
IF the clound backup provider is offering the right servive, the ransomware/crypto viruses will only infect the latest backup version. You should be able to restore to a version before the file was corrupted.
The previous versions of this thing did not encrypt shadow back-ups or 1st versions, however this one does. I can not stress to you all what this has done to our business. My I.T. guy gave me a list of the files that are encrypted today and we lost 12,000+ files and are still counting. Our new HD will have a third timed save option that disconnects from the network.
I learned years ago that threads are dynamic, and go where they go.
Probably the only downside to it here is that backups are really so important that they deserve their own threads.
And of course, most of us, like the OP, are using film, whether we keep it or not.
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I don't think you're understanding the concept of versioning. Google drive saves the last 100 versions of each file. Versions are created whenever the modified date is changed locally and the file is synced. Unless you are changing a file over 100 times AFTER the cryptovirus gets to it AND syncing it over 100 times you can restore from an uneffected version. It only replaces the file locally or on the main file tree in drive (or other backup solutions that support versioning), it does not replace the past versions of the files. In google drive those past versions are stored on redundant servers and do not count against your storage limitations.
You're right, i didn't realize it does that. smart.
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Thanks for the reply guys, for now I've gone with the suspended large envelope system as suggested first. I can see the reasoning behind binning the artwork once used, and if wanted again then just reprint. This of course means the back up of files is crucial.
We did slightly go off on a tangent, may I suggest admin split the thread up into 2 versions as back up and storage of files is important, the info here should be placed where folk can excess it easy from the thread title.
Cheers
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good call on splitting it....also, speaking of which, even if google keeps old versions, what's to say a virus can't change the timestamp on the files and trick google into eventually writing over all previous copies.
it's a long shot, I know...but ransomware has also been dubbed "business killers"
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About splitting this thread:
I'm almost more inclined to merely change the subject title to reflect storing and backing up digital art files, and just getting rid of the few pesky replies about storing films, while leaving that to the old thread to which I aimed the OP anyway.
Splitting a thread, and keeping both new threads complete and cohesive, without dumping or modifying some is damn difficult.
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About splitting this thread:
I'm almost more inclined to merely change the subject title to reflect storing and backing up digital art files, and just getting rid of the few pesky replies about storing films, while leaving that to the old thread to which I aimed the OP anyway.
Splitting a thread, and keeping both new threads complete and cohesive, without dumping or modifying some is damn difficult.
That's ok