Hello Fellow Users.
My name is Kwan from NYC, I am not in screen printing business. My First class of screen print was 12/05/2013 (lol).
(It is proven that I am new but I love to explore new options and expand my search)
Reason of purchase:
We are running a successful online business for past 10 Years and we really have a huge amount of fans. Beginning of this year we want to make our fans happy so we decided we'd do a free giveaway. Year of 2013, we offered a lot of stuff including 2500 Tee-Shirt per week.
In an effort to keep our fans happy in 2014, we will be increasing our give-away (Tee-Shirts) from 2500 to 5000+ per week.
Final conclusion; we want to take a control and open up our own Tee-Shirts print department (before christmas) and create more jobs
After a month of research (on different forums), I manage to choose S. Roque version P10-M with 8 Color (MSRP 49,000)
My Budget is almost up to my Neck so I planing following;
I will be picking up only 6 color machine for now, will upgrade to 8 in future if need.
I will just pickup one flash cure under the printhead for now, will upgrade up to 4 if need
S. Roque version P10-M Specs;
- Number of pallets 8
- Squeegees with electric movement on every printhead
- Individual command functions on all printheads
- Electro-mechanic rotation system
- Central command with LCD touch screen
- placement of flash cure under the printhead
- Printing speed and flooding regulated individually
- Maximum print area: 16'' x 20''
- Maximum screen size: 22'' x 33''
- Maximum production pieces per hour: 1050 (M)
Air compressor and Dryer is undecided (please help to pick the right one with reasonable price - left over Budget is very limited)My request is to my fellow users, please guide and help me to make my project successful.
Your input will be greatly appreciated
#strangepost
Well, he did ask for advice about compressor and dryer, but obviously, there must be (or at least should be) hundreds of other questions before jumping into water this deep.
I am the local M&R Branch. I would like to speak to you about your purchase. Please call me 800-729-3338
Thanks Stan
New York Branch Manager
Might I recommend a 8 color Precision Oval. Probably pick one up for under 8k. No compressor needed. This is a good starter press. OK guys let me have it :o :o :o
#strangepost
Smells like a RRRRRRRRRRRRRRARH WUBBBBBBBBYA BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBEEEEEEEEEEE POST LOL
May not be but it's certainly got the flavor.
Smells like a RRRRRRRRRRRRRRARH WUBBBBBBBBYA BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBEEEEEEEEEEE POST LOL
May not be but it's certainly got the flavor.
Sorry Stan,
Can't make private calls.
Smells like a RRRRRRRRRRRRRRARH WUBBBBBBBBYA BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBEEEEEEEEEEE POST LOL
May not be but it's certainly got the flavor.
? really, you can't make a call to talk to the #1 screen equipment supplier in N.A. about you upcoming screen equipment purchase? Because it's a personal call?
Kwan, perhaps you can tell us a bit about your screen printing lesson and what made you decide on the press you mentioned.
Have you attended the New Jersey show?
My apologies,
Best wishes on your venture. :)
I look forward to benefiting from the discussion to help you make your decision on the press you've already decided on.
Kwan, perhaps you can tell us a bit about your screen printing lesson and what made you decide on the press you mentioned.
Have you attended the New Jersey show?
I have no prior knowledge on screen printing (before 11/11/2013 - lol). After meeting with my advisory department, I've come to the conclusion that we build our own Screen print department instead off hiring private contractors. I certainly believe that I am at the right place (forum), this will allow me to get educational information on screen print equipment.
According to my research, P10-M is in my budget and offers the best for tomorrow (for me need). I am not planing to offer services in future, This machine is only to print our promotional Tee-Shirt.My apologies,
Best wishes on your venture. :)
I look forward to benefiting from the discussion to help you make your decision on the press you've already decided on.
Thanks
this sounds like the guy who sends those emails we all think are spam, looking to buy 2500 blank shirts to print their logo on for their promo shirts. dang...he really does exist..... ;D
contract it out to people that know how to print and save you're money. I'd be happy to quote you on the job, I'm in NY too.....Thanks for you input Homer,
No experience jumping into automatic printing.
This oughta be rich!
Do you have dryer, exposure unit, screens, computer and film printer and knowledge to do this. Even coating screen and exposing screens with know knowledge can be handful. I would do just as another suggested contract out and save time and money. Until you totally understand the consequences of what all you are talking about. You still have a long way to go. Money wise and knowledge wise. 15 years of doing this has told me that.
Shane in Colorado
Damn, what kind of business are you in that you can afford to hire a printing staff just to give away free t-shirts weekly?
Haha you guys can't fool me.. This is just a little gag the TSB moderators having on you guys..
Oh no.. But what if it's not?? It sounds so crazy it just might work..
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I am not sure why most of you folks here are so "negative"?.....Is it because you feel threatened?....While I realize most of you here think screen printing is akin to "rocket science", it is not......A motivated person with cash, intuition and desire can do exactly what Kwan is proposing to do and do it okay...For some businesses it make sense to bring stuff in house and I wish Kwan well....
I am not sure why most of you folks here are so "negative"?.....Is it because you feel threatened?....While I realize most of you here think screen printing is akin to "rocket science", it is not......A motivated person with cash, intuition and desire can do exactly what Kwan is proposing to do and do it okay...For some businesses it make sense to bring stuff in house and I wish Kwan well....
Captain outsource is now telling us to bring it in? Is it backwards day or something?
You ever been behind 2500 pieces due tomorrow and the effing top colors won't stop smearing Royster?
That's when it becomes rocket surgery.
Brew a pot of coffee, Sit at your computer and go to the forum, and read, read, read. Take a break, and read read read some more.
Many of his (unasked) questions and concerns are probably addressed here.
This may give him a foundation from which to ask for some clarifications without starting at square one.
But I just found the two first posts in this thread extremely odd. Both the first post from each member, both JUST joined. Also both were written in a similar manner to the 10000 blank T-Shirt scam. Just came off to me like the old bait and switch, all to start a press manufacturer pissing contest.
-How many shirts will your average run be?
-How many color prints will your average shirt be?
-How many days do you plan on printing per week?
-How big of a electrical service do you have?
- Have you looked at dryers?
-What model S.Roque are you looking at? I know you said a P10-M. But a P10-M- Amigia? YOU? ECO? A P-10, is a 8 color, it may be overkill for someone starting out, especially if you still need to buy a dryer, screens, ink, ect.
I am not sure why most of you folks here are so "negative"?.....Is it because you feel threatened?....
...
1 - S.Rogue was the last brand being talked up by Arr Dubyah Beee before he was banished to the netherworld.
1 - S.Rogue was the last brand being talked up by Arr Dubyah Beee before he was banished to the netherworld.
That douche has NOTHING to do with S.Roque. You are relaying on info that arr bbeeee actually said himself. Get the story from the actual S.Roque guys, it is actually kinda amusing.
1 - S.Rogue was the last brand being talked up by Arr Dubyah Beee before he was banished to the netherworld.
That douche has NOTHING to do with S.Roque. You are relaying on info that arr bbeeee actually said himself. Get the story from the actual S.Roque guys, it is actually kinda amusing.
Nope, I just said it was being talked up by him. I didn't buy-in to what was said.
Anyways, apologies Kwan, from all accounts it's a good machine, but like others have alluded to, printing shirts may end up being something that is just as cheap to sub-out while you concentrate on the things that brought you the success you are enjoying. It isn't rocket science, but like many things the devil is in the details, it takes a few years to learn the first 80% of printing, and a lifetime to learn the other 20%.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
This guy is real-
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Lets say you end up finding a good deal on a dryer and compressor. With a great deal on a dryer(we are going to assume you have nat. gas available) screens, ink, compressor, electrial work and install ect.
You won't need 4 flashes, so don't let anyone talk you into that. 2 will be fine.
I would say to check CL for a compressor, you can probably use a 5hp 3 phase(you will need 3 pase for the YOU anyway) compressor for a YOU that size.
You will also need a air dryer/chiller. Here is a nice one from a good company-
[url]http://www.eatoncompressor.com/catalog/item/506941/1017584.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.eatoncompressor.com/catalog/item/506941/1017584.htm[/url])
If you are just going to print for yourself you don't need a huge dryer. A 36" belt dryer should handle your output fine. Ask Techsupport if they have any leads on used ones. Otherwise checkout digitsmith, that is a good resource for used equipment.
I just give you the EXTRA SHORT cliffs notes on what you will need, and there will always be more. We haven't even touched on what kinda space you have...
Captain outsource is now telling us to bring it in? Is it backwards day or something?
You ever been behind 2500 pieces due tomorrow and the effing top colors won't stop smearing Royster? That's when it becomes rocket surgery.
Even rocket science is just a whole bunch of simple stuff put together just right.... ;)
For sure screen printing is an "acquired skill" but it is certainly quite a distance from "rocket science" and can be learned by those that have initiative and patience....
For sure screen printing is an "acquired skill" but it is certainly quite a distance from "rocket science" and can be learned by those that have initiative and patience....
You are more than welcome to come to my shop and show us all how easy it is any day. Today we've got 8 colors going over hoodie pockets
and two color discharge to the shoulder seams with foil, along with the usual gang of suspects. You just let me know.
As for the OP. Stick to that white shirt design first. Consider hiring a consultant. Give yourself as much time as possible.
And read here religiously until then.
A little bit of Calculus, Physics, algebra, trig, geometry, and chemistry. Piece of cake ;D
I know little but still find myself clueless when it comes to air requirements on an auto press. Please explain "function of air requirements"
Any input will be appreciated
I would really get a M&R Diamondback XL in your case + Red Chili Quartz Flash. The M&R Heatwave dryer should be good enough too for your purpose, you can run that dryer of bottles of liquid propane so you don`t need to get a gas line installed. The S-Roque surely is overkill for what you guys are doing. I would even go as far as saying a waste of money especially if you are on a budget. Say again why do you need such a fancy press to print give a way tees? You might even be fine with a Diamondback-S.A little bit of Calculus, Physics, algebra, trig, geometry, and chemistry. Piece of cake ;D
LOL, Above subjects for me piece of carrot cake, zucchini bread, and pumpkin pie for sure.
Ok lets get back to the subject..
Thanks to everyone for all your support.
As many of you have coached me, my plan is keep moving forward. again thanks for all your support and for letting me write whatever (lol).
My Two Greatest Obstacle:
Electric power 220v 3 phase (required for S- Roque P10 M) and Natural Gas. Grateful thanks to Alex for pointing this issue.
Just spoke to the awesome dealer and request him to contact S-Roque if they have solution to convert P10-M to 220V single face, If not then this will force me to tackle lower (will be very SAD).
Natural Gas and electric power 3 phase not available at location so what are my options?.
I am thinking following;
- Running only 1 flash not more than 40amp
- Will find Dryer under 60amp
- Will find rotary screw 71/2hp (Electric single phase) under 50 amp
I know little but still find myself clueless when it comes to air requirements on an auto press. Please explain "function of air requirements"
Any input will be appreciated
You might even be fine with a Diamondback-S.
You might even be fine with a Diamondback-S.
Given all the restrictions you just uncovered (power and fuel), I agree with this statement.
A 7 1/2 screw non 3 phase not easy to find available yes buy expense 7500-10000 with chiller. 40 amp maybe 45-50amp probably, 60 amp dryer 24-36 inch dryer. Available yes. Overall hard.A little bit of Calculus, Physics, algebra, trig, geometry, and chemistry. Piece of cake ;D
LOL, Above subjects for me piece of carrot cake, zucchini bread, and pumpkin pie for sure.
Ok lets get back to the subject..
Thanks to everyone for all your support.
As many of you have coached me, my plan is keep moving forward. again thanks for all your support and for letting me write whatever (lol).
My Two Greatest Obstacle:
Electric power 220v 3 phase (required for S- Roque P10 M) and Natural Gas. Grateful thanks to Alex for pointing this issue.
Just spoke to the awesome dealer and request him to contact S-Roque if they have solution to convert P10-M to 220V single face, If not then this will force me to tackle lower (will be very SAD).
Natural Gas and electric power 3 phase not available at location so what are my options?.
I am thinking following;
- Running only 1 flash not more than 40amp
- Will find Dryer under 60amp
- Will find rotary screw 71/2hp (Electric single phase) under 50 amp
I know little but still find myself clueless when it comes to air requirements on an auto press. Please explain "function of air requirements"
Any input will be appreciated
Out of curiosity, is it that expensive to upgrade your power supply in the States?
S.Roque can make the press and flashes in single phase. You can also buy a compressor in single phase. You probably don't need a 7.5hp compressor, 5hp will be just fine unless you expect to expand in the future. I don't have my numbers here with me, but I want to say the press you selected only needs like 14CFM or something running at full speed, which you will not do. Look at the site I posted for the air dryer, they have good compressors as well. Single phase also.
you will be fine with a Workhorse dryer. 36" wide should be all you need,
40 amp maybe 45-50amp probably, 60 amp dryer 24-36 inch dryer. Available yes. Overall hard.
Shane
Oh and what sort of amperage can you get? You just listed off a 40 amp flash, 60 amp dryer and 50 amp compressor. That's 150 amps... now you said "less"... but still easily over 100 amps probably?
I would even go as far as saying a waste of money especially if you are on a budget. Say again why do you need such a fancy press to print give a way tees? You might even be fine with a Diamondback-S.
Depends for me with a transformer close it was 6000-10000 for the utility company then the service upgrade at about 7500. Here in Colorado if you go over a limit on 3 phase you go to 3.00 per kilowatt. Otherwise about 1/3 or less than that at reg prices. Other rates and states different.
Shane
Depends for me with a transformer close it was 6000-10000 for the utility company then the service upgrade at about 7500. Here in Colorado if you go over a limit on 3 phase you go to 3.00 per kilowatt. Otherwise about 1/3 or less than that at reg prices. Other rates and states different.
Shane
GEEZ!!!!
My bill (3 phase commercial) works out to be $0.0843478260869565 per KW.
Recommendation from one of the dealer;
Brown Electra Print Junior 6 color 7 station screen print press and 16x18 quartz flash unit.
[url]http://brownmfg.net/p/103/electraprint-junior-automatic-textile-printer[/url] ([url]http://brownmfg.net/p/103/electraprint-junior-automatic-textile-printer[/url])
All Electric,
press runs off 120V
No Air compressor, air chiller, regulators or air lines.
Just plug and Play.
Any one using this?
Your input will be greatly appreciated
Recommendation from one of the dealer;
Brown Electra Print Junior 6 color 7 station screen print press and 16x18 quartz flash unit.
[url]http://brownmfg.net/p/103/electraprint-junior-automatic-textile-printer[/url] ([url]http://brownmfg.net/p/103/electraprint-junior-automatic-textile-printer[/url])
All Electric,
press runs off 120V
No Air compressor, air chiller, regulators or air lines.
Just plug and Play.
Any one using this?
Your input will be greatly appreciated
Thread is all over the place, you know what you want then you ask about brown, wont even talk to M&R....sorry but its odd.
Thread is all over the place, you know what you want then you ask about brown, wont even talk to M&R....sorry but its odd.
Not odd if you have no idea what you are getting into. Not odd at all.The beauty is they don`t even need a 8 color press with all the bells and whistles. A Diamondback is plenty good for them even a 6 color one. If I`m not mistaken they do their own artwork so they can design to the exact specification of their press. There won`t be any turning away customers because he can`t do 8-10 color jobs, he is his own customer and can make the artwork accordingly.
Kwan, 2500 pieces is gonna take two years on a Brown.
Hell, it'll probably take you a whole week on any press until you get the hang of it.
Not odd if you have no idea what you are getting into. Not odd at all.
Kwan, 2500 pieces is gonna take two years on a Brown.
Hell, it'll probably take you a whole week on any press until you get the hang of it.
OK, I can't help myself anymore....I was about to say the same. This all sounds Ryonetish to me.
Kwan- What made you want the S.Roque to begin with? Where did you take your screen printing class? Was it by chance through Ryonet?
Sorry if the questions are intrusive, it is just a S.Roque press(guess any auto press really) is not something you usually hear of someone looking to purchase if they don't have screen printing experience. Again, I am sorry if you feel offended by my question I mean no disrespect, I am just trying to wrap my head around this whole deal.
OK, I can't help myself anymore....I was about to say the same. This all sounds Ryonetish to me.
Kwan- What made you want the S.Roque to begin with? Where did you take your screen printing class? Was it by chance through Ryonet?
Sorry if the questions are intrusive, it is just a S.Roque press(guess any auto press really) is not something you usually hear of someone looking to purchase if they don't have screen printing experience. Again, I am sorry if you feel offended by my question I mean no disrespect, I am just trying to wrap my head around this whole deal.
OK, I can't help myself anymore....
Kwan- What made you want the S.Roque to begin with? Where did you take your screen printing class? Was it by chance through Ryonet?
Sorry if the questions are intrusive, it is just a S.Roque press(guess any auto press really) is not something you usually hear of someone looking to purchase if they don't have screen printing experience. Again, I am sorry if you feel offended by my question I mean no disrespect, I am just trying to wrap my head around this whole deal.
Not odd if you have no idea what you are getting into. Not odd at all.
Kwan, 2500 pieces is gonna take two years on a Brown.
Hell, it'll probably take you a whole week on any press until you get the hang of it.
I have a Brown spot flash for the manual. Works great everytime we turn it on.
....
So, Sparkie, what kind of numbers are you producing with your Electraprint? The simplicity does have certain appeal in some circumstances. Not everyone needs to buy and drive a Mercedes or BMW, and presses are designed to be more practical without the same aura of image generation as cars.
That is 10-11 hours for 2500 and 20-22 hours for 5000....
So, Sparkie, what kind of numbers are you producing with your Electraprint? The simplicity does have certain appeal in some circumstances. Not everyone needs to buy and drive a Mercedes or BMW, and presses are designed to be more practical without the same aura of image generation as cars.
As a one man operation, for a 1 or 2 color design, I can print an average of 200-250 shirts per hour. I have a 36" x 11' (6' heat chamber) dryer, which is more than enough to handle the workflow. If push came to shove, those production numbers could be higher, but at my age (59), I'm in no hurry. :P Print some, fold some, print some, fold some......
Let's establish some pretty obvious points to get it back to being helpful and informative.Strongly Agreed
First, let's all agree that the heading is absolutely off base. Kwan is not looking for help buying his press, but obviously desperately needs help and guidance as he enters this industry.
Second, let's accept the fact that he has not decided upon a specific press.Strongly Agreed
Followed with the information that he has a need for 2500 shirts a week and definitely wants to produce them in house. (That itself is fodder for discussions of the practicality of that versus contracting it out as well)Definitely wants to produce them in house - Strongly Agreed
Given those parameters, everyone has their opinions on presses (in fact, the opinions from another forum seemed to have helped him initially make his decision)Strongly Valid
Over here, he has learned that he gets different suggestions.
Have you seen these presses at a show?
Have you visited shops in your area to both watch the process and see various presses in action?
It appears that you did not get to the show in NJ, bummer.
I think we are only seeing half the story.. The nature of their sneaker website and the number of visitors puts them in a special position to have a distribution in place with motivated and receptive customers.. Some of there post are dedicated to matching what to wear with the new kicks.. So why push other peoples shirts when they are setup to push their own.. It wouldn't take a year for them to make back their investment.. To do it right, they need at least 8 heads to be ready for offering any thing.. Some of these sneakers are loaded with colors.. I don't think a site that has come so far, would miss the obvious.Thanks for your input, I agreed
Kwan- What made you want the S.Roque to begin with? Where did you take your screen printing class? Was it by chance through Ryonet?
Sorry if the questions are intrusive, it is just a S.Roque press(guess any auto press really) is not something you usually hear of someone looking to purchase if they don't have screen printing experience. Again, I am sorry if you feel offended by my question I mean no disrespect, I am just trying to wrap my head around this whole deal.
I was about to say the same. This all sounds Ryonetish to me.
Ya, but when he said he was working with Alan from TechSupport that threw me for a loop. Actually this whole post has me thrown for a loop.I'm a big fan of highly modular systems in any equipment. It appears that, even if any modular presser exist, I may not be able to go far with my budget to have that. Therefore, this puts me in to the specific condition where I can only look for the system, which allow me to upgrade same system as I go instead of replacing whole unit.
More power to you Kwan! If you got the demand and backing to make it work that is awesome and you should be proud! You just have to understand all of us are coming from a position where we print(or job out) for more than just ourselves or one client. It is just a whole different dynamic for us.Thanks
I say get the Brown, it is going to be the simplest way to get started, no compressor, only one electrical run for the flash and dryer, minimal cost for anything, if you are only going to print 2-3 days per week then keep it simple and if you find you hate the machine or printing in general there is always a garage shop that will take it off your hands.
Kwan, I run a Brown ElectraPrint Jr. and I promise you, 2500 pieces will NOT take you two years to print as ebscreen suggests. Brown may not be the leader of the pack, but it was my choice for many reasons:
1. Small footprint
2. All electric (110v)
3. EXCELLENT SERVICE & SUPPORT
4. Easy setup
5. Low maintenance
I believe you will be happy with ANY press you decide on. Your success will depend on how well you learn to operate it properly and to it's fullest capabilities. After many years of manual printing, it took me a month or so to get the hang of running an auto. The machine (ElectraPrint) is rock solid, and if you can live without some of the bells and whistles of some other autos, Brown could be the perfect choice for you as a beginner.
As a one man operation, for a 1 or 2 color design, I can print an average of 200-250 shirts per hour. I have a 36" x 11' (6' heat chamber) dryer, which is more than enough to handle the workflow. If push came to shove, those production numbers could be higher, but at my age (59), I'm in no hurry. :P Print some, fold some, print some, fold some......
what kind of space are you putting this in? warehouse, garage, basement?Thanks Ryan,
Is an 8 color too much press?Currently we are only working with 2 colors, however we are planing to do more in a future.
could you do a 6 color if all you are printing is that 1 design?
That being said, I would look for something that can be packaged together, press/dryer/exposure unit/screens etc. an all for 1 deal.Yes we are going for Packaged deal.
Your venture though is big and important enough to consider a trip out to the the left coast and visit the ISS show in Long Beach in the middle of January.
There. you have a chance to see many of these equipment choices up close and personal, under one roof.
You also get the added benefit of meeting me, lol! and my partner Pierre, and a bunch of members with whom you've schmoozed and butted heads.
I do like their clever machines and its Specification, but some how they have many strong negative feedbacks (about their customer services, not on equipment) and I'm having a slight hesitation to move forward with them.
@ Mr. Sparkie, How would you describe their customer service experience, specially when you require their attention in emergency?
Did someone tell him not to buy a Brown or that Brown was no good?
...I am not crazy about his self-imposed two week deadline though.
Attending ISS would be most beneficial to you Kwan. 8)Thanks Sparkie, I may chose this route.
Problem is, you would not get the deduction you are looking for (my guess why you have to buy before the end of the year) as it does not apply to used equipment.pierreThanks Pierre, You absolutely correct on above.
Attending ISS would be most beneficial to you Kwan. 8)Thanks Sparkie, I may chose this route.Problem is, you would not get the deduction you are looking for (my guess why you have to buy before the end of the year) as it does not apply to used equipment.pierreThanks Pierre, You absolutely correct on above.
We can wait to have machine until march, but we trying to make a purchase in year 2013.
for the deduction to qualify, the equipment has to be in operation before the end of the year. Just paying for it is not enough.I Agreed, but let this part to be on a side, Its not my department (lol)
pierre
umm, I am thinking a new press is overkill. Personally, I would get a good used to possibly rebuilt press. If I did this, I would go M&R all the way unless you found a good deal on an MHM. M&R's are durable and can be found easily. Get a late 90's-early 2000's Gaunlet and you will be happy...best of all you can find 6 colors for under $10k, most of the time with a compressor thrown in.
First time user should start with a new press. The struggle to figure out if it's him or the press might be enough to throw in the towel. When going with a new press at least you know the problem is on the operator side rather than the press. If buying used (for a first press) I would say at most six months worth of use on it.I agreed,
pierre