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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: dirkdiggler on November 22, 2013, 08:10:00 PM
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Got some youth and sleeve pallets from Action Eng. and I cant get the pallet tape of for anything! Anybody got a trick to remove old pallet tape that has bonded with the pallet. Thanks in advance for the tips.
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I have found out the hard way. The pallet tape that they say is actually "pallet tape"
is too strong and was a bear to get off.
The easiest way when you re-cover is a "conform" type or light tack. It made a world of difference.
A vinyl remover or Goo Gone? Some say heat. Otherwise patience and time...keep working at it.
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I have got them good and warm and let a mild ink degradent soak on them for a little bit. It softens the adhesive and will come right off. On the really stubborn sht I have let it soak on it for a half hour. Thats what I have done in the past to get off.
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tried all of that with not much luck at all.
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You might try one of those wallpaper removal tools (see; Paper Tiger Scoring Tool at WalMart) to score the surface of the pallet tape to let the solvent get into contact with and disolve the adhesive.
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DON'T let it happen again, but kerosene is what I use when I screw up and let them get too hot, or wait too long between paper changes. I use sign making transfer paper. Transferrite, I think.
I just put paper towels on the VERY level shirtboard and squirt some kerosene from a clear mustard (or ketchup) bottle from Wal-Mart. Let SOAK a few hours, and peel up with a putty knife.
The adhesive turns to a disgusting gel, slimy as snot. Scrape as much as possible with your putty knife and finish off with some lacquer thinner that will also remove any excess brain cells you might have.
Don't wait so long next time. Guess how I know?
<edit> just noticed these are a new acquisition. Sorry to scold you Dirk. ;-)
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I need the scolding! I know better! I just put them on a shelf where the sun shines on them all day and left them there for 6 months. I need my a$$ kicked, but for now I just need a solution.
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not to confuse anyone, these didn't come from Action this way, they were new. Just thought if I mentioned their name that Eric might jump in here with the solution. Not their fault.
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did you try screen opener?
pierre
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If kerosene isn't nasty enough, good old lacquer thinner might do the job, though I hate to use it for much of anything.
Steve
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Slits can help whatever juice you choose to penetrate, but of course, if not done carefully, can damage the platten rubber.
The wallpaper removal tools like the Tiger that PWalsh mentioned contain ponce wheels, which are safer, and the tool looks like it keeps them from penetrating too far.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41FZqvrDPxL.jpg)
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Yeah, I had to fix a small portion of drywall after a little too much exuberance, but once you have the touch, it works well.
Steve
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not to confuse anyone, these didn't come from Action this way, they were new. Just thought if I mentioned their name that Eric might jump in here with the solution. Not their fault.
Thanks for the clarification Mr. Diggler. We are actually working a full shift today and this is the first time I saw the post.
I think Mr. CrOoked's suggestion was probably the best.
The reason this happens is due to leaving the paper on for way to long. When previously investigating this phenomena, I found that the formula for pallet paper adhesive is very close to that of the pallet rubber. If the two materials are heated too many times between changing - then they fuse together. The Moral to the story is - don't do that, if you can help it.
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..I battled this a buncha times. Best solution I found was to lightly score the tape all over (good idea on the pounce tool, gotta try that next time). Then spray it down with BeanieDoo, and let it sit overnight. The next day, the tape usually peels up with minimal effort.
...NOTE: if you have some areas of a pallet that already has tape removed, the rubber may take on the pattern of the paper towel due to swelling. DONT PANIC (like I did), because this goes away after a day or so. a little heat helps this.
...Since we are on the subject...anyone have a link to a place we can order tape and make absolutely sure it is the low-tack stuff? Like, TSB tested-and-approved? I have asked for low-tack on more than one occasion, but it sure didn't seem like that's what I got.
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I was going to suggest that or icky sticky unstuck score it wipe it down and stick plastic over it for an hour or two
Roger
RT screen designs
Www.rtscreendesigns. Com
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...Since we are on the subject...anyone have a link to a place we can order tape and make absolutely sure it is the low-tack stuff? Like, TSB tested-and-approved? I have asked for low-tack on more than one occasion, but it sure didn't seem like that's what I got.
The "Conform®" type of tape from R-tape is or vehicle and seems to stretch some, having less tack.
http://www.rtape.com/application-tapes/ (http://www.rtape.com/application-tapes/)
I see that heat over long periods will make it harder to remove too.
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I can vouch for the conform r tape as well. It's what we use and it works very well
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R-Tape Conform you say. Happen to have a number?
I'd switch to it in a flash (pun intended) if it would work better than the Transferrite Low Tack I'm using.
And @ Sbrem: Lacquer thinner evaporates awfully fast. Too fast to be of much use to us, in our environment with Transferrite tape. That's why I use Kerosene when it's stuck too hard for easy removal under heat. Lacquer Thinner does seem to work pretty well on the slimy residue...AFTER the paper is gone.
I learned the kerosene trick from a Rohm & Haas Plexiglas distributor when I had some signage plastic that wouldn't release the paper liner after being exposed to sunlight for MANY a moon.
Stan
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R Tape is what I use. I always put the platen under the flash prior to removal. It peels off nicely and leaves no residue.
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update, bought the red wallpaper tool, Pro Strength aerosol Goof off and it comes off. Still needs elbow grease but it works. Lesson learned!
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This should do the trick.
http://www.rtape.com/application-tapes/4078rla (http://www.rtape.com/application-tapes/4078rla)
Any of the vinyl application tapes should do the trick. Medium tack should be easier to remove.
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Don't leave the tape on for a long period of time. We take pallets in every week (with used machines), once that tape has been on the pallets for a few months it's nearly impossible to remove (believe me I am an expert on this topic).
Sometimes (when it has been on too long) we elect to remove the pallet rubber and recover them. We use heat guns, Wd-40, Naptha and and a dull paint scraper.
The key is to change the paper often, leave the pallets w/o paper when putting them in storage, re-apply paper when they are remounted to the machine.
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This particular thread is almost two years old, but just recently, the issue popped up again in another thread, with some more suggestions, a recommendation for some magic juice, and some interesting information from one of the tape manufacturers.
http://www.theshirtboard.com/index.php/topic,15443.0.html (http://www.theshirtboard.com/index.php/topic,15443.0.html)
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I don't get it, we can leave transfer (pallet) tape on for many months of daily use and still get it off without problem. Maybe our platens have different rubber on them?
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That could be? A bunch of factors are likely at play.