Doing The Right Thing

[Shawn (EIP)]

The Sefar roller frames mentioned are a prime example. I've got 6. One bolt or the socket it screws into has stripped. Other sockets were too shallow, either from insufficient tapping or from flash from the casting clogging them up. Had to put washers under the bolts, which then can interfere with the adjacent bolt.
Savings? The price of the Sefar frames are only a couple of bucks cheaper than a Newman. I've got some 40 Newmans and I've never had a failure from any of them, either old blue ones or the dozen new ones I've bought.
Suspect until proven is some sage advice, GD.

The newer Newmans are junk ( I stripped out 2 of them) and you can add Chase Diamond to the crappy roller frame list too, the actual bolts snap off and are a pain the butt to get flat.

The old heavy blues are the best!

[tpitman]

I've got 6 old Diamond Chase frames I've had for 9 years and have worked well enough. I don't think the threaded ends will sustain 40 ft/lbs of torque, but mine have held up so far. I was gonna sell them but I've got enough 86 mesh laying around to stretch them and I'm gonna use them for plastisol number transfers.

[Shawn (EIP)]

I've got 6 old Diamond Chase frames I've had for 9 years and have worked well enough. I don't think the threaded ends will sustain 40 ft/lbs of torque, but mine have held up so far. I was gonna sell them but I've got enough 86 mesh laying around to stretch them and I'm gonna use them for plastisol number transfers.

My issue with Chase frames is it takes so much longer to install your mesh with those dang rods, then you have to flatten the frame but when I'm trying to get the raised corner to come down the whole dang bar turns due to lack of being able to apply a decient torque for fear of breaking something. If the screen happens to snap after all that work I say screw it and toss in the "deal with it later pile" before I lose my mind lol. Chase frames take a toll on my sanity and my already short temper. I have yet for the life of me been able to streach 305 mesh in any Chase frame. Great for 86 mesh though! I have a few of those for glitter inks.

[tpitman]

I've got issues stretching just about any mesh on rollers consistently and successfully without blowing out half the bolt mesh trying to get them up to the tension I want. All I use now is ShurLoc panels.

[jesterapparel]

Fujian Sanheng partner in USA - Interview with Mr. Robert Barnes

[mk162]

So, let's say there are no patent infringements, or if there are, they are paying royalties to the patent owners.  That changes the game entirely.

Most presses nowadays are very similar to each other.  I've seen roughly the same parts on nearly every new press out there.  Heck, most presses progress at the same time, just like car manufacturers.  Chrysler started the minivan craze, then everybody moved to SUV's and now everybody likes crossovers.  They all perform the same basic functions and the engineering is all very similar.

Once again, it could be built better than every press out there, but if there isn't a service network or a network for the proprietary parts, then it won't make it, pure and simple.

Let's face it, every manufacturer has been knocking off M&R since the 80's.  How many presses come with "M&R style platens?" 

[JBLUE]

At the end of the day you get what you pay for. They have to cut cost somewhere to make it that cheap and it is not all in the cost of labor. There will be buyers of these for sure. I have friends that swear by Harbor Freight tools even thought they replace and break them all the time. They never think about the fact that all the time they wasted going to the store they could have bought a quality tool instead and still been time and been money ahead. Even if that guys was not selling them I would not touch it with a ten foot pole.

[tpitman]

I was just on a homebrew website and someone was bitching about the quality of a propane burner stand that was made out of "chineseium" which seems an apt description of a lot of the crap that comes from there. Harbor Freight – you know going in what to expect, and I only buy stuff there I don't expect good service life out of, but that I won't be using much anyway.
Now last fall I finally tore up the bearings of a $60 Skil saw, and decided I wanted a left-bladed replacement like a Porter-Cable. You can get them for around $90, so I was looking on eBay and Amazon, and there was an auction for a Skil Left-Bladed Worm Drive Saw for $87, new in the box, that sells in Lowes for $140 or so. I won the auction at that price, and it was exactly as described. Heavy as hell, but it'll saw through anything. Also made (or assembled) in China now, but seems nicely built. Should be the last one I f_ck up I mean wear out.

[RICK STEFANICK]

its all business. hey it may be the new "toyota" of screen printing machines and m/r the american made solid CHEVROLET. Lets give it a chance, i doubt they have STOLEN anything but ideas.i love this industry and its changin again.

[Shawn (EIP)]

Like anything new you would want to wait until it has been proven to be a good product. Let's face it, almost EVERYTHING is made is China these days, like it or not.

[alan802]

Surely the machine doesn't infringe on any patents, but if it does, there is pecedent set with Tajima versus Feiya.  It's not legal precedent in the way we usually think of it, but it's persuasive at least.  These two scenarios seem to parallel each other to a great degree, assuming the china sporty is as much of a copy as some might suspect.

http://www.tajima.com/articles/details/03/14/index.html

[tpitman]

One other observation I've noticed here and on "another" forum is likening this new knockoff to the original as comparable to a Toyota vs. a Chevy, or any other domestic car. I think it's safe to say there's a hell of a lot of difference between most Japanese products and Chinese products in most instances. This isn't 1955 when "Made in Japan" meant junk.

[inkbrigade]

The newer Newmans are junk ( I stripped out 2 of them) and you can add Chase Diamond to the crappy roller frame list too, the actual bolts snap off and are a pain the butt to get flat.

The old heavy blues are the best!

I have about 80 of the new M3UL and they have been good for me. Call george i'm sure he'll get you sorted.

[alan802]

Surely the machine doesn't infringe on any patents, but if it does, there is pecedent set with Tajima versus Feiya.  It's not legal precedent in the way we usually think of it, but it's persuasive at least.  These two scenarios seem to parallel each other to a great degree, assuming the china sporty is as much of a copy as some might suspect.

http://www.tajima.com/articles/details/03/14/index.html

What are everyone's thoughts on this?  Do the two scenarios seem similar or am I reading something into this that isn't really there.  I personally think they are almost carbon copy scenarios, one being an embroidery machine, the other being a screen printing machine.  I guess more needs to be known about the Chinese press and if it infringes on anything, but from the outside, it sure looks like it does.  I'll go ahead and give the benefit of the doubt though and maybe the China Sporty only looks similar to the Sportsman.

[inkman996]

Surely the machine doesn't infringe on any patents, but if it does, there is pecedent set with Tajima versus Feiya.  It's not legal precedent in the way we usually think of it, but it's persuasive at least.  These two scenarios seem to parallel each other to a great degree, assuming the china sporty is as much of a copy as some might suspect.

http://www.tajima.com/articles/details/03/14/index.html

What are everyone's thoughts on this?  Do the two scenarios seem similar or am I reading something into this that isn't really there.  I personally think they are almost carbon copy scenarios, one being an embroidery machine, the other being a screen printing machine.  I guess more needs to be known about the Chinese press and if it infringes on anything, but from the outside, it sure looks like it does.  I'll go ahead and give the benefit of the doubt though and maybe the China Sporty only looks similar to the Sportsman.

The real issue is that Robert made the statement many many times that it is a complete knock off even went into details many times on how the Chinese bought the Sportsman to be reverse engineered. When it comes to a court of law those statements which I am sure are saved somewhere by someone can be very damaging.