Wow, Screen Tape Costs!!!

[alan802]

I know I am done.  And one final note.  I really wish I only had one department to worry about.

now on to the 18th job that I will be doing today.

I passed 18 about two hours ago and I'm in a different time zone, poor me.  Hey Tony, how much have you done today? Oh wait, you don't own the business so it doesn't matter to some reading this thread but I'd like to know anyway.

Alan please take this as a friend just making a observation.  You are doing a lot of chest thumping lately and its not your style.  We get it that your better than Sam.  I doubt anyone would debate that.

But remember some shop right now printed more today than you might all month.  Just sayin'.

Weighed and measured, nod emoticon.  I do try to keep my feet on the ground but at times you lose perspective.  PS, Sam's still an ass.

[inkman996]

It's Ok EB I do not let arrogant statements get to me. I know what I need to know and that's who counts the most. I do not go to work just to get a pay check, I truly actually love our company. I strive to make it better and make it grow. I do not see it as a pay check at all I see the future and my future is with this company. I bet you I am just as compassionate about this company as the owner is.  I am not an operating owner nor will I ever want to be. Just like tony said I know I would suck at it. But if I owned a company I would want people exactly like me or Alan or Tony managing the business.

This is in no damn way trying to take away the responsibility and stress that is on the shoulders of the owner.  But I will be damned if I ever went to work for someone who held that title over me to earn respect, that's not how you earn my respect at all. The owner of our company is not just the owner he is also an employee he receives a pay check since it is an LLC. He treats all of us here as fellow employees even tho he is still the top dog.  We all as a team work to make things better and earn more money. It is a mutual respect. I would never want to deal with the taxes he has to day to day and he would not want to deal with 90% of what I deal with day to day.

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I certainly wasn't exactly trying to insult you.  A employee doing "more" doesn't mean that is harder to do deal with than being a owner.  They are 2 very different things IMO. 

I stand by my point: 
I would say if all I had to worry about was screen printing and those processes my life would be exponentially easier.  I think most business owners would agree with that.

Man up and call it what it is. For a long time, when confronted with a request for facts, Sam and now yourself take digs on Inkman
and now Alan for not being owners. And when you get called on it ya'll try and pass it off as something else. That's pathetic and cheap
for a whole slew of reasons and you need to stop doing it. Man the eff up.

Its a whole different weight on your shoulders as a owner and a whole different level of responsibility.  That doesn't discount or even suggest I work harder than him at all, didn't say that so don't pretend as if I have.  I have been a employee, I have been a owner.  No matter how hard the work was as a employee, none of it compares to being a owner TO ME.  It's not even in the ball park in my opinion.  You want to make it more than that because you love the drama, you'd argue with me if I said the sky was blue. 

I have been SUPER clear.  I stand by my point: 
I would say if all I had to worry about was screen printing and those processes my life would be exponentially easier.  I think most business owners would agree with that.

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I know I am done.  And one final note.  I really wish I only had one department to worry about.

now on to the 18th job that I will be doing today.

I passed 18 about two hours ago and I'm in a different time zone, poor me.  Hey Tony, how much have you done today? Oh wait, you don't own the business so it doesn't matter to some reading this thread but I'd like to know anyway.

Alan please take this as a friend just making a observation.  You are doing a lot of chest thumping lately and its not your style.  We get it that your better than Sam.  I doubt anyone would debate that.

But remember some shop right now printed more today than you might all month.  Just sayin'.

  PS, Sam's still an ass.

I fully agree.  I still admire his excitement for his business.  I lost some of that in recent time buried in the day to day. 

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Posts are somewhat searchable here, I can point out several instances where you and Sam make an insult
to specific people out of not being an owner. You can own up and change and leave that garbage off the forum or
you can continue to try and deny that it was a dig to begin with. Either way it's not cool man.

[Socalfmf]

I don't take digs it is the truth.  they are different.  again Business Owners have the entire weight of the business on them all the time.  I am a 100% commissioned employee just like Mike's owner.  I legally have to pay every employee but I am not paid if there is no money there.  Oh yeah if the business folds an employee just goes and finds another job, while in the meantime an owner just lost most likely everything they had or might even lose what they don't have yet depending on how the business is set up and what is attached to said business.  Is it a put down I don't think so it is a reality.   I do not deny that Mike and Alan have great passion for their employers but tell them they won't get a pay check for 2-3 months I will bet my bottom line they would not be working there!  I know when we started out I didn't get a paycheck for months living off a savings.  would an employee do that?  hmmmm nope.  so yeah there is a difference.  is it a put down, well if you want to take it that way then I guess it is. 

It also goes to knowing what the ENTIRE picture is and I know that both of their bosses do not SHARE everything so they cannot possibly know every detail about the business. 

sam

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Posts are somewhat searchable here, I can point out several instances where you and Sam make an insult
to specific people out of not being an owner. You can own up and change and leave that garbage off the forum or
you can continue to try and deny that it was a dig to begin with. Either way it's not cool man.

I am sure you can find all types of things to take out of context.  If you read into it, then that is on YOU.  If I haven't chosen words the best because I am in a hurry so be it.  I don't walk around on egg shells in fear of pissing someone off because they might take it out of context or not like me.  Hell ive probably intentionally been an ass to someone after a shot at me.  If someone can't understand the extra responsibility and tasks a owner has vs just a employee I find that interesting. 

I stand by my point: 
I would say if all I had to worry about was screen printing and those processes my life would be exponentially easier.  I think most business owners would agree with that.

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I don't take digs it is the truth.  they are different.  again Business Owners have the entire weight of the business on them all the time.  I am a 100% commissioned employee just like Mike's owner.  I legally have to pay every employee but I am not paid if there is no money there.  Oh yeah if the business folds an employee just goes and finds another job, while in the meantime an owner just lost most likely everything they had or might even lose what they don't have yet depending on how the business is set up and what is attached to said business.  Is it a put down I don't think so it is a reality.   I do not deny that Mike and Alan have great passion for their employers but tell them they won't get a pay check for 2-3 months I will bet my bottom line they would not be working there!  I know when we started out I didn't get a paycheck for months living off a savings.  would an employee do that?  hmmmm nope.  so yeah there is a difference.  is it a put down, well if you want to take it that way then I guess it is. 

It also goes to knowing what the ENTIRE picture is and I know that both of their bosses do not SHARE everything so they cannot possibly know every detail about the business. 

sam

To be fair Alan probably has a really close idea of most inner workings since he's married to the family.  I would guess Alan would also work without a pay check if it was down to that at least for a period of time.  I don't know Mike well enough to make that assumption. 

[Mr Tees!!]

I don't take digs it is the truth.  they are different.  again Business Owners have the entire weight of the business on them all the time.  I am a 100% commissioned employee just like Mike's owner.  I legally have to pay every employee but I am not paid if there is no money there.  Oh yeah if the business folds an employee just goes and finds another job, while in the meantime an owner just lost most likely everything they had or might even lose what they don't have yet depending on how the business is set up and what is attached to said business.  Is it a put down I don't think so it is a reality.   I do not deny that Mike and Alan have great passion for their employers but tell them they won't get a pay check for 2-3 months I will bet my bottom line they would not be working there!  I know when we started out I didn't get a paycheck for months living off a savings.  would an employee do that?  hmmmm nope.  so yeah there is a difference.  is it a put down, well if you want to take it that way then I guess it is. 

It also goes to knowing what the ENTIRE picture is and I know that both of their bosses do not SHARE everything so they cannot possibly know every detail about the business. 

sam

wait a second..you are worried about tape?  really who worries about tape costs?  oh that's right people running the F**KING BUSINESS.

JUST SAYIN.

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[ebscreen]

You know what kind of people are really awesome? The kind that make underhanded insults at folks
and then get called on it and then start trying to explain away their insult in the first place. You didn't choose
the wrong words in a hurry, you intentionally tried to insult someone in a shady azz way. Man up.


We are all fully effing aware of the difference between an employee and an owner, don't insult our intelligence.
What I am not entirely sure of is what makes one a better person than another? If I had to judge from this
thread alone, the employees are kicking the owners asses in terms of being a decent human.

Ya'll act like we're some jonny-come-lately around here. Like we've never met the kid that claimed he could
jump ten feet high and when asked to demonstrate resorted to obfuscation and politics and eventually insults.
Ain't nothing new. Neither is the kid that insults you then calls it something else. Totally lame. Weaksauce.

[Socalfmf]

really EB...I have always said that there is a difference  and if people take offense to that well too effin bad.  Mike and Allen try to act like they know what it is to be the owner ( which they are not have never been ) so they do not know what it is like. 

does being an owner make anyone better?  I don't know.  But I do know that I never said I was better because I was the owner I have always said they don't know the WHOLE picture.  and guess what they never will til they are the owner. 

I take offense to anyone who thinks they can walk in my shoes and Mike had already made it clear he could not. so how is that an insult to him?  he just can't do it.  he said so himself. 

I don't think that some see a difference.  the are leaders and followers in this world and there are some who just want to skate by in life.  I am not one of them.  I have always been upfront and people know where I stand.  I am not sorry that you feel the way you do.  remember I was offering numbers and people still told me no way.  well lets see what happens now that more and more people are getting DTS.  they are going to start to show that my numbers are in line with theirs and I will expect everyone to make a public apology  till then I really don't care.  my sole purpose in business is to make money so my employees can live a better life and make a real wage that they can live on.

So, in closing I don't care what a lot of people think, I care that my employees are taken very well care of and guess what they are.  Unlike Alan who no matter what he does has unhappy employees.  and I hope that that said employee does not end up like a cancer in his shop since I have seen that many many times.  the difference is I CUT THAT CANCER out and make sure it does not infect the shop!

[Socalfmf]

From another thread on the board.  hmmmmmm 



We think ROI will arrive somewhere around next fall or into 2015.

from Ron P in the DTS forum....look it up...so that makes it about 11-15 months?  hmmmmmm

guess I am not so full of crap afterall huh kids.

[inkman996]

Seriously Sam you do not know sh I t. First of all I have dedicated more years to this company than you been in business. Second of all it is just as much my future as the owners. You better bet your arse I would stick with the company through any rough times. If I had to work some where else part time I would. Next I actually know every aspect of the financials I have a small piece of the company which required me to review everything before agreeing. You truly do not know everything about business if you erroneously mistake your own companies experience as being the same for everyone. You have made it clear many many times you hate employees, you look down on them as all being the same and none can ever be your equal.

The reason I would suck at being an operating owner Sam is not because I could not do it, no it's because I would hate it and that would make my performance suffer. I prefer to work in the business to use your term, you prefer to work on the business. It does not make you any better than me it is just a personality difference.