Kruzer?

[Frog]

Hey, though they are still difficult to figure out or remember all at first, I'll take one of these acronyms over the drunken-slurring-sounding abbreviation "prolly", any day!

[GraphicDisorder]

Seems like a very good value.

[Gabe]

Looks promising, any vids on it yet?

[mimosatexas]

Not that I've found.  I've been looking around at other forums etc, but not much info out there.

[ZooCity]

Wow, ships UPS, that's impressive.  If you don't find a good press used, this sounds like a great one new for about the same cash. 

[mimosatexas]

Finally a video:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTG0c6KFsZo

The quick zero micros and ruled arms are great features on top of the already toolless micros, quick release and universal pallets, etc.  I had a rep from GSG contact me and stop by my shop last week, I'm assuming at the request of someone from M&R who saw my interest in this thread.  I was pretty impressed that the guy spent over an hour talking shop with me, despite being essentially a part time one man operation without deep pockets. 

I think between that and the features I'm seeing on this press I'm going to buy one within a week or two.  Still need to figure out if I should finance it or buy it outright.  $3k and change isn't really a lot of money, but having free capital is always helpful and an $80-100 a month payment really isn't something I would even have to worry about...  Anyone have thoughts on that aspect of it?  I believe the rep mentioned Geneva for the financing, which I've seen mentioned, though I don't recall what others said about the experience.

[244]

Finally a video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTG0c6KFsZo

The quick zero micros and ruled arms are great features on top of the already toolless micros, quick release and universal pallets, etc.  I had a rep from GSG contact me and stop by my shop last week, I'm assuming at the request of someone from M&R who saw my interest in this thread.  I was pretty impressed that the guy spent over an hour talking shop with me, despite being essentially a part time one man operation without deep pockets. 

I think between that and the features I'm seeing on this press I'm going to buy one within a week or two.  Still need to figure out if I should finance it or buy it outright.  $3k and change isn't really a lot of money, but having free capital is always helpful and an $80-100 a month payment really isn't something I would even have to worry about...  Anyone have thoughts on that aspect of it?  I believe the rep mentioned Geneva for the financing, which I've seen mentioned, though I don't recall what others said about the experience.

just an FYI. Two weeks to decide will be 6 weeks additional delivery. Way too many  initial orders!

[Prosperi-Tees]

Finally a video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTG0c6KFsZo

The quick zero micros and ruled arms are great features on top of the already toolless micros, quick release and universal pallets, etc.  I had a rep from GSG contact me and stop by my shop last week, I'm assuming at the request of someone from M&R who saw my interest in this thread.  I was pretty impressed that the guy spent over an hour talking shop with me, despite being essentially a part time one man operation without deep pockets. 

I think between that and the features I'm seeing on this press I'm going to buy one within a week or two.  Still need to figure out if I should finance it or buy it outright.  $3k and change isn't really a lot of money, but having free capital is always helpful and an $80-100 a month payment really isn't something I would even have to worry about...  Anyone have thoughts on that aspect of it?  I believe the rep mentioned Geneva for the financing, which I've seen mentioned, though I don't recall what others said about the experience.

I think it's a no brainer
I wouldn't mind having one myself but the additional investment of youth and sleeve platens would be somewhat prohibitive but then again they can be used on the automatic as well.

[mk162]

well rich, you can fix your lead times one of 2 ways....ramp up production...or stop building stuff that people want to buy.

[mimosatexas]

Honestly, I would order it tomorrow, but I haven't heard back about what all the leasing/financing entails.  I would buy it outright, but having that money freed up for other immediate upgrades is pretty appealing vs a few hundred bucks in interest spread over 3 years.

[mimosatexas]

Out of curiosity, is it possible to order the press with different pallets?  I would literally never use 15x17's.  I built 16x24's for my current press and only switch them out when doing youth Smalls/Mediums (10x20) or koozies/sleeves.

[mk162]

personally, i'd finance it if there wasn't a credit check...i hate getting dinged on that, but using other people's money to help pay for your equipment is a smart move.

I financed our used auto in Jan, I already paid it off.  Make sure there isn't an early payment penalty.

I would get 16x22's personally.

[mimosatexas]

16x22 would probably be fine.  We do a lot of big work for a few clients and do occasionally have 23" long prints on L-2XL's, but it isn't common.  We do a ton of work in the 19-20" range though.

My business doesnt really have credit.  I don't have a business credit card and I am only on terms with one supplier.  I have always paid cash outright for everything, and buy used or build basically everything.  This would actually be a our first "big" purchase, and I would assume I will be using my personal credit history if I go the financing route.  I don't own a home, but I do have a handful of credit cards and pay my bills on time.  My credit isn't great, but it isn't terrible.  Not sure what would be required really by GSG/Geneva...

[GraphicDisorder]

16x22 would probably be fine.  We do a lot of big work for a few clients and do occasionally have 23" long prints on L-2XL's, but it isn't common.  We do a ton of work in the 19-20" range though.

My business doesnt really have credit.  I don't have a business credit card and I am only on terms with one supplier.  I have always paid cash outright for everything, and buy used or build basically everything.  This would actually be a our first "big" purchase, and I would assume I will be using my personal credit history if I go the financing route.  I don't own a home, but I do have a handful of credit cards and pay my bills on time.  My credit isn't great, but it isn't terrible.  Not sure what would be required really by GSG/Geneva...

I would start building credit now.  It will come in handy some day when you are buying machines that are much larger than most can afford in "cash".  Build it now so it will be perfect and ready when you need it. 

[mimosatexas]

I agree, I just haven't had the opportunity really.  That's actually another reason I'd like to finance this machine through the business if possible.  I am going to probably switch to terms with a few more suppliers as well.  This is probably derailing the thread a bit and maybe a new one should be started in a different subforum, but does anyone have any tips on how to build credit specifically for the business?