Congrats M&R new WORLD RECORD!!

[brandon]

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The screen print industry is on the decline.

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I don't know about that. My business and all the other shops I am friends with keep expanding with equipment and employees. From coast to coast and overseas things seem to be chugging along. If you are slow you might need to take a look at things to see what's wrong.

[brandon]

I think I messed up on my quoting. Whoops 

[Baron265]

Congrats to 244 and his team (aka M&R)! We should all be inspired to push ourselves to new limits. I know I am!

[Socalfmf]

I know when we started we were trying to line up by eye.  Bought our first M&R and Tri-loc and used micros a little...bought a direct to screen and now rarely use micros.  so I find that if you have the right tools you will produce faster.

so congrats to M&R and their team!

thanks for making me more profitable!


sam

[244]

I know when we started we were trying to line up by eye.  Bought our first M&R and Tri-loc and used micros a little...bought a direct to screen and now rarely use micros.  so I find that if you have the right tools you will produce faster.

so congrats to M&R and their team!

thanks for making me more profitable!


sam

Thanks Sam!

[Inkworks]

Pushing for world records means pushing the limits of the technology, and while none of us will be producing at 2000+pcs. per hour, many of us will likely see improvements trickle down from technology derived to make those numbers possible, even if it's just improved durability in design.

Just like nobody drives to work at 200+mph, but enjoy many of the advancements in safety and design in our daily drivers that have been derived from the push for speed on the track.

[244]

Pushing for world records means pushing the limits of the technology, and while none of us will be producing at 2000+pcs. per hour, many of us will likely see improvements trickle down from technology derived to make those numbers possible, even if it's just improved durability in design.

Just like nobody drives to work at 200+mph, but enjoy many of the advancements in safety and design in our daily drivers that have been derived from the push for speed on the track.

Bingo! You nailed it right on the head!

[mk162]

i agree, but still there will be a ton of shops that won't take advantage of new technology.  i agree with winston, so many shops are not using prepress properly it's crazy.  I have yet to hire an employee with experience that has used a tri-lock or anything like it.  that's scary.

There is a big shop down here that doesn't use it, i think they have between 6 and 8 autos.  The screen guys don't want to mess with it.  I would make them or show them the door.  They sometimes add a second shift in the busy season too.  They should be able to cut that out and cut down at least a press or two.  They would save so much money, they just have no clue.

[3Deep]

I don't care about world print records, but I sure would love to fit a trilock on my Anatol press..I can eye ball and register, but dam just think how much time I could save if the tri lock would fit...setting up a six color job in 5 mintues and printing I'm happy with that.

Darryl

[Binkspot]

Pre press I something I have been working on continuously to get dialed in to get quicker and better. The way I look at it is any job under 96 pieces you make your money on pre press and set up not printing. If it takes 30-40 min to set up a 3 color job for 48 pieces you are starting to loose money by the time you start to print.

Congrats to M&R, that is an impressive number.

[GKitson]

Pushing for world records means pushing the limits of the technology, and while none of us will be producing at 2000+pcs. per hour, many of us will likely see improvements trickle down from technology derived to make those numbers possible, even if it's just improved durability in design.

Just like nobody drives to work at 200+mph, but enjoy many of the advancements in safety and design in our daily drivers that have been derived from the push for speed on the track.

Why did the USA go to the moon?  Prestige, National Pride, etc.  But you and I still benefit everyday from the huge tech developments from the Apollo program.

WD-40, Velcro, computer power, food preservation techniques, remote medical data monitoring & collection, satellites of all kinds, GPS and data management all have their history solidly in "OUR' quest to go to the moon.

Think what else we would 'need' to develop to, " Go where no one has gone before!".

Pity we have lost the foresight and the balls to make the effort.

~Kitson

[mk162]

sorry greg, Velcro was around well before the moon program.

but yes greg, your point is well made...even if for nothing else other than making a more durable press/indexing system.  Of course presses could spin at 5,000 units per hour, but keeping them fed would be a whole nother story.

So while yes, it's cool and I applaud M&R for it, the actual speed part of it means very little to most, but the knowledge from it will benefit many.

[Socalfmf]

you know I have been thinking about this over the weekend.  I think I have it somewhat broken down from my experience in the industry for the past 11 yrs

#1.  you have the technicians ( screen printers ) that think they can do it better than their boss so they go out on their own.

#2.  you have the guy who is an artist and kinda falls into the industry

#3.  you have someone who thinks it is cheap to get into and does

#4. you have someone who knows you can make a lot of money in this industry and will do what he has to in order to buy the best equipment and make sure they are making money.


those are the 4.

back to #1.  yeah you might be a great printer but have not clue how to run a business  very different and they soon find themselves closing the doors or selling for too cheap and not knowing what is going on.

#2.  this person is an artist and says wow people love my art and then says I will get into screen since people are asking for it for shirts and I can make money..once again going away from what they know and do.  this works sometimes and sometimes not...but from what I have seen it is a struggle for them.

#3. you have someone who looks at the industry and says wow it is cheap to get into and everyone wears shirts so yeah I will do this.  however again they find it very difficult to run a business.  because this industry is not just about printing shirts.

#4. You have the guy who understands business and runs it like a business and makes money.  yes they INVEST a lot into it and understands what you have to do to make it run well and make money doing it. 

so going back to people can't afford it I call BS on that.  you will afford what you want to.  I look at people like Greg Kitson, Chris Kelly and Dan Zmuda who invest in their companies and continue to invest in equipment and staff to make their businesses run the best they can.  Again it is about running a business not really about printing shirts. it is about having the RIGHT equipment vs. just having equipment. 

hope this makes sense to someone somewhere and they are motivated by it and will have something click in their head and make a move!

sam

[inkman996]

you know I have been thinking about this over the weekend.  I think I have it somewhat broken down from my experience in the industry for the past 11 yrs

#1.  you have the technicians ( screen printers ) that think they can do it better than their boss so they go out on their own.

#2.  you have the guy who is an artist and kinda falls into the industry

#3.  you have someone who thinks it is cheap to get into and does

#4. you have someone who knows you can make a lot of money in this industry and will do what he has to in order to buy the best equipment and make sure they are making money.


those are the 4.

back to #1.  yeah you might be a great printer but have not clue how to run a business  very different and they soon find themselves closing the doors or selling for too cheap and not knowing what is going on.

#2.  this person is an artist and says wow people love my art and then says I will get into screen since people are asking for it for shirts and I can make money..once again going away from what they know and do.  this works sometimes and sometimes not...but from what I have seen it is a struggle for them.

#3. you have someone who looks at the industry and says wow it is cheap to get into and everyone wears shirts so yeah I will do this.  however again they find it very difficult to run a business.  because this industry is not just about printing shirts.

#4. You have the guy who understands business and runs it like a business and makes money.  yes they INVEST a lot into it and understands what you have to do to make it run well and make money doing it. 

so going back to people can't afford it I call BS on that.  you will afford what you want to.  I look at people like Greg Kitson, Chris Kelly and Dan Zmuda who invest in their companies and continue to invest in equipment and staff to make their businesses run the best they can.  Again it is about running a business not really about printing shirts. it is about having the RIGHT equipment vs. just having equipment. 

hope this makes sense to someone somewhere and they are motivated by it and will have something click in their head and make a move!

sam

So are you saying the 90% rest of us that have not invested in CTS do not fall in to category #4? Just curious because the three Printers you mentioned all have CTS.

[Socalfmf]

Mike

not at all...what I am saying is what I said above.  Some people invest in their companies ( like you guys do ) and there are others who do not.

I know that some manufactures are leading the way and some are not.

sam