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Quote from: blue moon on April 16, 2013, 05:28:15 PMBrad, Tom was asked behind the scenes to keep his discussion to his products. We value his knowledge and contribution so please let's keep it the way he is doing it right now. Tom, thank you for your contributions and sharing your knowledge. Even though it was said already, it will not hurt to hear it again, it is very much appreciated!!!thanx,pierrep.s. If somebody else with the programs wishes to show the differences, please coordinate with Tom and post. There are no issues with the end users expressing their unbiased opinions. We just want to prevent one manufacturer/supplier/designer or what ever bashing another.Pierre,Would you be open to some critiques relating to the resent award winning prints you had at ISS which were great prints but on the color seps side there is room for improvement. Not in the spirit of competition but in the spirit of understanding and sharing with the goal of improving what is possible in screen printing.
Brad, Tom was asked behind the scenes to keep his discussion to his products. We value his knowledge and contribution so please let's keep it the way he is doing it right now. Tom, thank you for your contributions and sharing your knowledge. Even though it was said already, it will not hurt to hear it again, it is very much appreciated!!!thanx,pierrep.s. If somebody else with the programs wishes to show the differences, please coordinate with Tom and post. There are no issues with the end users expressing their unbiased opinions. We just want to prevent one manufacturer/supplier/designer or what ever bashing another.
Quote from: AdvancedArtist on April 16, 2013, 07:28:20 PMQuote from: blue moon on April 16, 2013, 05:28:15 PMBrad, Tom was asked behind the scenes to keep his discussion to his products. We value his knowledge and contribution so please let's keep it the way he is doing it right now. Tom, thank you for your contributions and sharing your knowledge. Even though it was said already, it will not hurt to hear it again, it is very much appreciated!!!thanx,pierrep.s. If somebody else with the programs wishes to show the differences, please coordinate with Tom and post. There are no issues with the end users expressing their unbiased opinions. We just want to prevent one manufacturer/supplier/designer or what ever bashing another.Pierre,Would you be open to some critiques relating to the resent award winning prints you had at ISS which were great prints but on the color seps side there is room for improvement. Not in the spirit of competition but in the spirit of understanding and sharing with the goal of improving what is possible in screen printing.ALWAYS!!! (For any that have not corresponded with me, my email signature for almost 20 years now is "On a perpetual quest for knowledge. . .")I have been watching your and Jeff's videos for a while and an opportunity to learn more would be fantastic. And no, yo are not going to hurt my feelings, I know there is room for improvement in those prints as I have seen, much, much better.Lot of the HSB stuff being brought up was already explained to me by Mark Coudray, but I have spent last few days going over the videos and writing scripts for Photoshop. While Mark's info was purely theoretical, having an opportunity to learn how to do it and actually see the results has been extremely valuable. As you mentioned, seeing the color without the black is eye opening! The first time I did it it was one of those moments you remember for the rest of your life. All said an done though, I am not completely sold on doing the seps that way. From what I have seen (and some of those were done by MC himself), there seems to be too much black and white ink going on that's muddying the results. At this point, my thinking is that using darker pigments will create nicer color than using a lighter pigment and reducing the brightness with black (for example, pure pigment PMS187 (if it existed) should look nicer than a 185 with some black in it). This could all be related to my lack of knowledge when it comes to ink ingredients and some very limited understanding of the color theory. Now, I might be thinking in terms outside the practical or even theoretical realm, so I would (always) welcome any opportunity to learn/see something new.I am also pretty certain, based on my experience (and from both provided and self separated art) that using HSB for the white generation is not the absolute best way to go despite what some well respected industry superstars are thinking. There are issues in the 20-50 degree range that HSB handles rather poorly (when it comes to white generation), but that is a discussion in it self and I went off on a tangent here, sorry. PM me directly and we'll work something out. I am even willing to print your seps to see how they come out and honestly present the results or do any other testing/help that would help improve the processes currently in use by the industry and/or ourselves.pierre
There is no doubt that touch up and tweaking on the arbitrary side has its place as I have often said screen printing is art on garments. Color adjustments for pop and vivid printing will always be a part of the game. I have no desire to put anyone out of business. I would just like see all us of with our eyes and minds open to color. For so long this has been a sort of mysterious side of this business if we take some of mystery out of it and make it understandable and approachable then we have succeeded.
I addition, I think it's best that (THE FORUM members) be the judge of the images and be the only ones able to comment on a newly created section however temporary or permanent that may be. Not the people doing the submissions and not the people owning the programs and not the person who did the manual separations.
Quote from: Dottonedan on April 17, 2013, 01:44:06 PMI addition, I think it's best that (THE FORUM members) be the judge of the images and be the only ones able to comment on a newly created section however temporary or permanent that may be. Not the people doing the submissions and not the people owning the programs and not the person who did the manual separations.As I have said in my posts I am not trying to push SimpleSeps Raster I am trying to open up color and understanding relating to color. Making analysis of the before and after with or without the perfect result can help us to identify ways to make analysis in the pre separation and post separation phase. Should I have pulled tints, shades, primary and or secondary colors or a custom color? I have 360 degrees of Colors/Hues which I can pull or manipulate in way I want.All of which is revealed when the black is pulled back. This the key step in the decision making process. So analyzing the results in my opinion could be very beneficial. Not from a which product is better or worse but from looking at color, the analysis of it and separation of it. Just my 2 cents..