REWARD!!! who wants it!

[dirkdiggler]

If anyone can give me a formula that will make Wilflex Vegas Gold in a discharge ink, you win!  Using either CCI, Magna, or Sericol.

Those of you who dont use wilflex plastisol, here is the color on this ink chart.

http://www.aasps.com/linked/wilflexinkcolorcard.pdf


Could be millions of dollars in prizes!  But probably not.  Help a brother out

[ebscreen]

A titch of green.

[dirkdiggler]

tried EVERYTHING,  cant get it right.

[ebscreen]

Can't tell just from the card, but I would say a fair bit of white (leave out if it's going to be stepped on)
yellow, drop of red, drop of green.

It's the green that gets us when we can't hit a color. Counter-intuitive unless you really
know your colors.

[kingscreen]

Did you try adapting the MX Formulation Guide?

VEGAS GOLD HO VEGAS GOLD HO
932.1
MX White
1 11888MX
43.9
MX Yellow
2 88888MX
16.0
MX Black
3 19888MX
8.0
MX Orange
4 38888MX
1,000.00

Personally, I would do a 20/80 Base/White DC (80% White DC, 20% Base) then add pigment (15%) for Pantone 617 out of the book for a "Vegas Gold". I'm not sure how that compares to Wilflex's Vegas Gold color.

[3Deep]

Well I thinking you can use union inks plasticharge to make it, from what I was told and I have some it will work with just about any plastisol inks, making it a discharge.

Darryl

[dirkdiggler]

plasticharge may be my last resort.  dont want to do it that way though.

[JBLUE]

Before plasticharge why not discharge base then a really soft hand plastisol?

[3Deep]

So whats wrong with using plasticharge? are you looking for a softer hand, vivid color, not to much of a difference is there other than the hand.

Darryl

[JBLUE]

The Hand.

[ebscreen]

I found even remotely matching most plasticharge colors to be damn near impossible.

[jsheridan]

The Hand.

and the cost.. plastacharge is STUPID expensive and when paired with wilfex inks.. who wants a $50 cup of discharge ink that goes pastel when you print it.

[dirkdiggler]

The Hand.

and the cost.. plastacharge is STUPID expensive and when paired with wilfex inks.. who wants a $50 cup of discharge ink that goes pastel when you print it.

true dat!

[tonypep]

Since plasticharge and similar hybrids are typically three component systems where a plastisol ink is cut in half with the aqueous chemical they are therefore compromised and diluted; making color matching difficult and obtaining strong hues even more difficult. No hard facts to back this up but I think that, with the ink companies offering DC Pantone formulas, the fear of DC color printing is drifting away and the hybrids falling out of favour. And also the cost.

[Rob Coleman]

Since plasticharge and similar hybrids are typically three component systems where a plastisol ink is cut in half with the aqueous chemical they are therefore compromised and diluted; making color matching difficult and obtaining strong hues even more difficult. No hard facts to back this up but I think that, with the ink companies offering DC Pantone formulas, the fear of DC color printing is drifting away and the hybrids falling out of favour. And also the cost.

Agree with this.  In my view there are only a few reasons you would want to use the Hybrid (Plascharge from Magna / Plasticharge from Union):

• You do not have the means to adequately cure (exhaust water) fully aqueous discharge ink - thus you use it as a hybrid with plastisol
• You want to use a discharge neutral under base and also intend to use it as a hybrid occasionally - thus only stocking one product

Personally, if good color development and soft hand are your primary objectives, I would discharge an under base and use SOFT plastisol colors through fine mesh on top.  You only have to deal with one h20 screen.....  If however you are equipped to adequately run and cure water base; there is no reason you could not incorporate discharge, soft bases, and high solids bases in h20 to meet your needs!