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Offline whitewater

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how would i print this for a "leather" look?
« on: February 24, 2013, 08:51:02 AM »
Would i use a suede ink...i use union and i believe they have it..

How i sep this?   and what colors?  maybe just the suede for the brown and the text a regular plastisol brown?

what about the thread?

thanks

Rob


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Re: how would i print this for a "leather" look?
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2013, 09:35:10 AM »
Lon Winters has a spec sheet for embroidery and applique look
scroll to the bottom of this page http://graphicelephants.blogspot.com/2011_02_01_archive.html

I think Wilflex also has spec sheets for all their effects, including faux suede..

Also remember to use inner shadow and inner glow on the text for an indented look. At the moment you've got a raised text effect.

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Re: how would i print this for a "leather" look?
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2013, 10:05:19 AM »
Ruland makes a suede additive. It will give a texture dull finish to the ink.
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Re: how would i print this for a "leather" look?
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2013, 10:21:33 AM »
if done right Rob, this can be a really badass print. I think a mix of high density, suede and a few plastisol colors and you'll be ok. I would send it to Dan to sep....

I want one too....dying to get back to adk.
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Re: how would i print this for a "leather" look?
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2013, 10:29:20 AM »
Lon Winters has a spec sheet for embroidery and applique look
scroll to the bottom of this page http://graphicelephants.blogspot.com/2011_02_01_archive.html

I think Wilflex also has spec sheets for all their effects, including faux suede..

Also remember to use inner shadow and inner glow on the text for an indented look. At the moment you've got a raised text effect.


Product Data Sheet for Wilflex Epic Suede Base is attached.

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Re: how would i print this for a "leather" look?
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2013, 10:50:24 AM »
There are several ways to approach the separations on this.
Each would be a job well done and achieve the look your wanting.

You could use a flat sheet of suede, low mesh and coated heavily for a thick high stencil.
flash that a little and print everything on top. Stitch and all, using halftones. The brown shadow would be cut back to no more than 25% coverage so that when you need to fill in the type, you don't fill in the halftone too dark.
Off contact would be a little higher on the top colors. Just lightly smack kiss the top ( don't french kiss it) of the suede print with the top colors. Don't drive it in.

Another way and probably more convincing for a patch is to knock the stitching out of the suede. You can get a look of a patch by just knocking out an outline if the stitch all around it...or better yet, use an under screen of puff on that stitch. That's the best look. Cut the suede art back away from the puff color by a good 2 pt stroke or more, but be careful not to stroke to the inside of the stitch colors. That stitching is already thin enough. If fact, overlap your stitch colors by 1pt over your puff to accommodate for the puff swell. That puff screen would be coated thick as well.

That will give two dimentions to the print. The suede and the stitch.
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Re: how would i print this for a "leather" look?
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2013, 05:44:48 PM »
actually, that patch looks like smooth leather rather than suede. That would mean high density with an overprint to create textures and colors.
Not that I have done stuff like it, but I have done suede and it does not look like what you are after. It is fuzzy!

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Re: how would i print this for a "leather" look?
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2013, 07:27:28 PM »
Nawh, that guy wants to print suede. Let him print suede. Leave the guy alone ya big bully.
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Re: how would i print this for a "leather" look?
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2013, 07:33:24 PM »
the real question is can Rob really pull this off on his Yudu?.......hmm...
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Re: how would i print this for a "leather" look?
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2013, 07:46:12 PM »
Yudu?   Haha. He doesn't really have one of these does he?
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Re: how would i print this for a "leather" look?
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2013, 08:20:19 PM »

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Re: how would i print this for a "leather" look?
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2013, 08:59:10 AM »
rutland has this as a sample at every show and on their site
http://www.rutlandinc.com/products/screen-printing-products/tips-techniques/leatherpatch.aspx


Thanks I knew I saw this somewhere a few years ago.

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Re: how would i print this for a "leather" look?
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2013, 09:10:08 AM »
Yudu?   Haha. He doesn't really have one of these does he?

haha YUDU!


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Re: how would i print this for a "leather" look?
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2013, 03:43:47 PM »
so i was talking with someone and here is what they recommended..

60 mesh, 50 micron cap film (which i dont use) and lay down 3d ink (union) flash then lay down the suede ink, then plastisol if needed for the text..

think that would work?


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Re: how would i print this for a "leather" look?
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2013, 03:58:25 PM »
We used to do this for Disney they were two inch "Mickey Tags" 100 micron cap film for patch, flat navy for Mickey, 50 micron for stitches. Two flashes