So far I cant get any of the Red shades I try with Magna, I am judging my discharge ink on the Reds that I can hit. If I can get a good red, I feel like the rest is in the bag. I bought both kits and have done extensive testing with both. What I can say is the Reds I am getting with CCI, SMOKES Magna. Not that it can't be done, but I havent figured it out. Rob Coleman is coming to my shop on Tuesday hopefully to solve these problems. Another observation is the concentrated power. The Magna is SUPER strong compared to CCI. Guess thats why CCIs kit gives you double the pigments at a lower cost. I think CCIs base is way better, it doesnt stink and its creamy, the Magna is runny like water and stinks really bad. (both are Formaldahyde products). I like Magnas software for recipes, so I hope I can get it to work. Guess I just need more trial and error time. Anyone else have anything to add or similar issues?