SRoque ECO Auto Install

[TCT]

I will have a few more pics latter today, limited time now. But here is a "teaser"....







I should get more up latter!

[mraph]

Good stuff Alex its a great machine, you  will be very happy i am sure
keep us up to date.
Also I may add it was great meeting you in Long Beach

Alan

[TCT]

Nice meeting you too Alan. There were a lot of great people we met there.


I had originally planned on video recording the whole install BUT.... The -18 degree weather we have been having damaged the cameras I was going to use.  NOTE to all: cheep security cameras from ebay can make it to about -5 SO no install video, more pics though and we will get some video footage up soon.

Half the heads on-


Print head and look at that pallet arm!




All the print heads on-


Print heads and pallet arms on-


Indexer!


We start printing tomorrow and will update!

[Dottonedan]

Chain driven?   hmmm.  I remember the chain driven Precisions. I think they were phased out because of issues with the chains. Something about the chain stretching due to torque and making it go out of registration and needing adjusted every few months or more. I wonder if this had been improved on and what the benefits are over other options.


NOTE,  I don't claim to know much about presses. Just mentioning something I remember about the precisions from way back.

[Gilligan]

I thought the same thing and some fat birdie pointed out that it is a really short chain... so maybe it won't be bad.

I surely hope so!

[Parker 1]

SR claims that owners will only have to flip the chain every 1million impressions or so.  Also if a tooth on the spocket breaks off or is damaged the bad section can be replaced, not the entire sprocket. 

Alan may be able to elaborate or correct me if I am wrong.

[GraphicDisorder]

I thought the same thing and some fat birdie pointed out that it is a really short chain... so maybe it won't be bad.

I surely hope so!

Fat birdie also says a Playtex prints 20 inches, they come in 12 weeks, and that he is the greatest thing to happen to the screen print world. 

[TCT]

The chain is supposed to be replaced every 5 million cycles.
The fat one has NOTHING to do with these presses. He invited himself to their factory a few years ago to snap some pics.
I would have to say the chain drive here is a world of difference from the old school Precision Ovals. What were the chain lengths on those 20 -30 feet? This one is 2 feet tops, and is not responsible for ALL the breaking and locking either. There is a separate device for that. I feel very confident in the press and the company.
I have limited time this morning, but I will check back after the day.

[mraph]

hello everyone

Alex some great pics looks like it is coming along well.

to Elaborate on some post.

Dan you are correct , precision and others did have chains and there were problems but lets remember that was 20 years ago , the chain encompassed the whole base on those machines

the SR ECO chain as you can see in the picture is indexing at smaller section at a time, so no stretch.
the chain is double sided and yes flip it1 Million prints, after 2 million prints/ 5 million cycles change the chain , only a few hundred dollars and should only take 20-30 min. just part of routine up keep

Chris , you are also correct on the teeth of the sprocket are also doubled so if a tooth is broken and its just one side the machine will keep running , you can replace sections at a time, I believe the sections are only a few feet if I remember.

This is a very exciting press,
just as an FYI  Tech Support will be showing an S.Roque RoqYou 8 color 10 station with foil, and the very first showing of the new S.Roque Amiga entry level press at ISS A.C. Island 1209  one of 2 Island we will have  please come and see us. March 8-10 Atlantic City NJ

[alan802]

I thought the same thing and some fat birdie pointed out that it is a really short chain... so maybe it won't be bad.

I surely hope so!

Fat birdie also says a Playtex prints 20 inches, they come in 12 weeks, and that he is the greatest thing to happen to the screen print world. 

That's just heresay!!!  You can't believe everything people say about him on the internet can you?  Nobody has to answer, it was rhetorical for those who didn't pick up on that. 

THE BUILT IN TENSIONER, BUILT IN TENSIONER, remember guys, it has the tensioner built in so you can always keep the chain tight.  I don't know jack about this feature really but I do have plenty of experience with chain driven ATV's, motorcycles and dirt bikes and the damned sprockets that go along with them.  I will concede there is a lot of difference in the tension put on the chains I'm used to and the chain on an automatic press.  Honestly I like the design overall, the quality of the chain, sprocket and the strain on it will determine it's longevity.  I'm sure they know what they are doing and know all the stuff we know, but barney sure as hell didn't do them any favors with his comments.

[mk162]

if you pull the chain off, wouldn't it be easier to just toss a new one on?  If it's anything like a chainsaw chain you will spend more time trying to get the 1 freaking loop out of it than you will cutting down trees.

[inkman996]

I am really interested in seeing the mechanics behind the print and stroke assembly, I know it is not done with air cylinders so how ever it works should be really interesting.

Did anyone see the Sroque pre-registration unit? I watched the video on it and was far far from impressed, I could smoke that thing with a ruler and roll of tape.

[inkman996]

I thought the same thing and some fat birdie pointed out that it is a really short chain... so maybe it won't be bad.

I surely hope so!

Fat birdie also says a Playtex prints 20 inches, they come in 12 weeks, and that he is the greatest thing to happen to the screen print world. 

That's just heresay!!!  You can't believe everything people say about him on the internet can you?  Nobody has to answer, it was rhetorical for those who didn't pick up on that. 

THE BUILT IN TENSIONER, BUILT IN TENSIONER, remember guys, it has the tensioner built in so you can always keep the chain tight.  I don't know jack about this feature really but I do have plenty of experience with chain driven ATV's, motorcycles and dirt bikes and the damned sprockets that go along with them.  I will concede there is a lot of difference in the tension put on the chains I'm used to and the chain on an automatic press.  Honestly I like the design overall, the quality of the chain, sprocket and the strain on it will determine it's longevity.  I'm sure they know what they are doing and know all the stuff we know, but barney sure as hell didn't do them any favors with his comments.

I had a 350 Warrior for years, I chewed through sprockets like crazy, even after market ones. My 400EX went through a few as well, not sure if any real comparission to the auto but I do not like chain and sprocket all that much on anything.

[Gilligan]

I thought the same thing and some fat birdie pointed out that it is a really short chain... so maybe it won't be bad.

I surely hope so!

Fat birdie also says a Playtex prints 20 inches, they come in 12 weeks, and that he is the greatest thing to happen to the screen print world.

He also breathes oxygen and over eats, yet that hasn't stopped you from thinking it's a good idea.

Point is, that it's POSSIBLE that not everything that ever comes out of his mouth is a lie.  I'd never bet any money on it, but I also wouldn't automatically think the complete opposite.

[Gilligan]

if you pull the chain off, wouldn't it be easier to just toss a new one on?  If it's anything like a chainsaw chain you will spend more time trying to get the 1 freaking loop out of it than you will cutting down trees.

Unless that is what "flipping" it is then I don't think you will need to pull a link out to adjust it.  That adjuster should do fine.

Everyone does realize that many engines still use a chain for a "timing belt" right?

Just because it's "different" doesn't mean it's bad or just because one use of something is bad doesn't mean every use of something is bad.

You would swear it's an assault weapon and not a chain.