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eighty screens in eighty minutes (DTS cons and pros)

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DannyGruninger:
Sam, like you we don't print any registration marks anymore. Just one more part of the screen that would need tape and have the potential to leak ink on a long run. The only time we do print registration marks now is on 4 cp jobs..... Other then that no marks.



The DTS might not be an ideal fit to every shop but from my personal experience the benefits far outweigh the cons. When I was trying to decide if our shop was big enough we figured out that we spent nearly 30 minutes each day keeping our films organized and that alone was almost enough reason for me to switch. I can't imagine how some real large shops keep a handle on that. Again, just my opinion but I truly feel that every shop would benefit.


If anyone wants to send me a test file I can output using our DTS onto a film and compare to the process your currently using.

alan802:
I don't think there are naysayers around here.  Think about it Sam, we've all heard some of the great things about this technology, but not one of us has ever "Seen" it with our own eyes in a real shop environment.  I've also talked to numerous people who have had bad experiences so forgive me for not going out and buying one just because you say you are going to have an ROI of one year.  We do twice as many screens as you do and I've crunched the numbers every which way possible, even some pencil whipping in favor of the DTS and the ROI just isn't there yet.  Our shop is obviously different than yours, our processes take different times and the DTS is going to affect each shop differently because of that.  Maybe we are incredibly efficient like Tony is with using film, I don't know.  Maybe our shop would benefit by using film for all our repeat jobs and all new jobs go DTS, just thinking out loud here.  Our exposure times would increase 60-70%, our setup times wouldn't benefit all that much since our regi system works pretty much flawlessly.  We spend about 3-4K on film and ink a year, there are other benefits that would help us shave time off our day, but those are the biggest ones and those don't add up like I would want them to.  60-70% faster exposure would be fantastic if our exposures were several minutes long, but we have a 10K watt metal halide exposure unit that our longest exposure is about 90 seconds and those are few and far between.   

You, Dave and Danny and maybe one other member has one, speak highly of them, I've taken that into account.  I trust what you guys have said, but I also know there are also things not being said by a lot of people pushing this technology and that's why I am waiting.  I do believe they are the next great thing for our shop, but I'm not biting until the price is better and they can ship one to our shop, plug it in and it freaking works like it's supposed to.  One shop here in town wasted a whole year on trying to get theirs working correctly, in the words of the great Sugar Brown, "ain't nobody got time for that".

As I said, most of us have never seen one other than at a show, and the amount of posts on their behalf is very small, no videos, just written testimonial from a very small group of owners.  As I mentioned earlier, I've heard more nightmare stories about them than I have good stories so forgive a few of us for asking questions about it's greatness.  We will have one, it's just a matter of when.  I think they are good, but I ain't buying until they are great.  Right now, I think there are only 2 units I would buy and one of them is 65K and the other one would have the best service if something were to go wrong.  I like the Lawson unit, interested in the Acti one, Douthitt/Oyo units (old Kiwo I-jet), wax or waterbased ink, I've done a good bit of research.  But if I don't ask questions or bring up weaknesses in the technology then I'm not doing my job for this shop.  It's easy to get caught up in the greatness of a product and completely forget about it's shortcomings.

JBLUE:
The whole point of the post is 80 screens in 80 minutes. A DTS cant print that fast so it would not work in that environment.

For you guys that have them if they ran all day on typical jobs how many screens can you guys image in a day?

If you need to re-burn a screen for on press and it is in the middle of printing another job can you stop in the middle, reprint the needed screen, and start again where it left off?

I think the technology is great and I have seen it a few times. I like where it could go and for the right shops it is a no brainer.

Socalfmf:
I also would bet that the 80 screens in 80 minutes did not include lining up or printing the film....Tony? 

sam

tonypep:
Lining up film, exposing and washout. Films no. We have a four person Art department and again use the film as a quality checkpoint. Critical point in our process. Like every one else they just click and send to the printer and go back to designing so not an issue. I also use film to determine mesh count and sequence as well as spell check etc. A mistake is always less expensive the earlier it is detected in the chain of production.
I don't suscribe to the notion that "If it works for me it must work for everyone" school of thought. Again; informed decisions will in the end, hopefully will lead us to greater productivity. There are vastly different business models in our industry and therefore technology must reflect that. Rich can tell you all about failed technology that had extremely sound foundations (think of the Formulas).
I didn't mean to start anything here, just making an observation.

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