Lost a print job today...

[JBLUE]

One other thing I find funny is when the religious person says the word "Frick" in place of the word "F@ck" What the hell is that about? I love asking them why did they use frick because you know they were thinking the other word and just trying to be cool......lol

Well...son of a gun!  I learnt that years before the "Son of a B#@#h".  Danged blasted & confounded anyways.

Dan b!tch is not a bad word. You know that........ I do not wear shirts that say Fck on it. I dont have any even though I have printed plenty of them. I just find it funny that it is just a word and people get so offended over a word that most of them probably use any ways.

[Dottonedan]

One other thing I find funny is when the religious person says the word "Frick" in place of the word "F@ck" What the hell is that about? I love asking them why did they use frick because you know they were thinking the other word and just trying to be cool......lol

Well...son of a gun!  I learnt that years before the "Son of a B#@#h".  Danged blasted & confounded anyways.

Dan b!tch is not a bad word. You know that........ I do not wear shirts that say Fck on it. I dont have any even though I have printed plenty of them. I just find it funny that it is just a word and people get so offended over a word that most of them probably use any ways.

How it was originally used in conversation is not like it is used today. Like for instance, "I would like to breed your bitch with my german Shepherd".  Then, it was became used in a derogatory manor. As in "You SON OF A B!TCH". Meaning, son of a female dog.


http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/16/messages/875.html

[Sbrem]

some folks like to dis-respect people around them, some have class. I was in a supermarket last year, and some d-bag has it 12 x 12 on the back of his shirt. Absolutely classless, and I say it probably a couple hundred times a day, but not in children's faces. You could see any number of dads wanting to take him to task. Jason, live your life your way, and don't make excuses for doing what you think is right.

Steve

[tonypep]

we print just about anything here.  its never bothered any of our employees or customers - most of our customers want it on their shirts.

I dont listen to the bands that we print for, but ill wear a Cannibal Corpse shirt to work.  Dead babies hanging from meat hooks while a skeleton is butchering a woman, i personally think its silly, but it pays my bills...   i wore it to the grocery store once, got some weird looks from some kids.  now i turn my shirt inside out when i go shopping after work.

my personal favorite, which we print and i do wear would be Dead Kennedys - In God We Trust, Inc.  it has jesus on a cross of dollar bills. 

Duane I always liked the "If you don't like Ingvay Malmstien eat a Steaming Bag of crap" print
Doesn't pull any punches, straight and to the point.

a lot of the groups that are against the Cannibal Corpse shirts are religious groups - there is more gore in the bible than on one Cannibal Corpse shirt. 


to each their own.

[jason-23]

im just a guilty as the next sinner when it comes to using the F bomb, i mean I was a stealing, cheating, pirate of a auto tech in a prior  time in my life. Its the hardest when your kid asks "what does that mean" or "you say it why cant I". Here is a good example of a rebellious kid. I saw a teenager wearing a Halloween Horror nights t-shirt into church which was pretty graphic and in very poor taste in my opinion but no one, to my knowledge, said anything to him and this kid is a regular active member in our church of 5000. 

[screenxpress]

Never mind

Probably too offensive for here........

Ruin my squeaky clean image, lol.

[ravenmark]

While freelancing (during some hard times too I might add) I turned down a lucrative deal to do a shirt line for a group that turned out to be white supremist organization. Sometimes it is hard to stand on your principles but in the end you are a better person for it.

[Frog]

While freelancing (during some hard times too I might add) I turned down a lucrative deal to do a shirt line for a group that turned out to be white supremist organization. Sometimes it is hard to stand on your principles but in the end you are a better person for it.

Yeah, I turned down a job for the local GOP too! 

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[bj]

In my opinion you did the right thing.   It is harder to stand up for what is right and what you believe in sometimes for backlash of what others might say or think.  I see little kids questioning right from wrong more than some adults I know including myself.   A year ago I would probably do any artwork or digitizing someone would order but I think there comes a time in your life where you have the courage to say, it isn't what I believe and a couple bucks isn't going to buy that from me.  I also believe I don't have to apologize for it.  If in my heart I believe I am doing the right thing and following my moral compass and as Homer was saying trying to protect his children from it why apologize if it is what you believe in.  A baby hanging from a hook is not cool, it is disgusting no matter how you want to put a spin on it.  So, it's a band, so what.

[ScreenFoo]

I can see the mindset here, but how many 'acceptable' designs and logos are sourced and pushed by companies that may literally enable or encourage the equivalent of putting babies on hooks?   

This all comes down to what you pay attention to... if your perception is that metal, punk, and hip hop is ruining the world, and petroleum, fast food, and bottled water companies are making the world a better place, that's your choice--and you are always creating your own world.

[Frog]

I can see the mindset here, but how many 'acceptable' designs and logos are sourced and pushed by companies that may literally enable or encourage the equivalent of putting babies on hooks?   

This all comes down to what you pay attention to... if your perception is that metal, punk, and hip hop is ruining the world, and petroleum, fast food, and bottled water companies are making the world a better place, that's your choice--and you are always creating your own world.

I think that one would be hard pressed to equate an image of a water company's mountain stream (whether factual or representative of the true source or not) to that of babies on meat hooks in various states of butchery.

This brings to mind the decision of Capitol records to change the original version of the Beatles' Yesterday and Today cover. It was merely a matter of image, and target market.
Today's corpses sell well to a market much more accustomed to gore and violence as acceptable entertainment. In fact, the cover is quite tame, merely not how the nice boys with shaggy hair were usually thought of.

[ebscreen]

I think Foo is referring to the actual physical effect the companies or bands have on our world, not just visually.

As in while Cannibal Corpse may have inspired about a billion long haired hessians to rock the eff
out in their mini-truck and attempt to be as offensive as possible, they certainly are not responsible
for about a zillion 6 ounce water bottles washing up on our shores and choking birds and whatnot.

Hell, the actual visual of a slaughterhouse probably pales in comparison to any of their artwork. But I'm going
to go eat a hamburger and not think about it.

[Sbrem]

While freelancing (during some hard times too I might add) I turned down a lucrative deal to do a shirt line for a group that turned out to be white supremist organization. Sometimes it is hard to stand on your principles but in the end you are a better person for it.

We had a guy come in a few years ago asking if we could recreate is Adolf Hitler World Tour '38 - '44. Where do they come from? Who here would have printed it for them? Probably fellow socialists...

Steve

[ScreenPrinter123]

I think there are obvious moral principles we can apply in these situations, but whether or not we apply them fairly, disinterested in what we have to pecuniarily gain, or justify our actions to make a $ is where the fallen will starts dictating the fallen intellect.  I think the real problem here, screenfoo, is that you are a moral relativist.

Come now -- you don't really believe what you said, do you?  "You are always creating your own world"?  "If your pereption..."??

If that's your position -- the prevalent relativistic, borderline solipsistic one that says that what is right and wrong is created (Protagoras' old adage, "Man is the measure of all things" [as the moderns and postmoderns like to say with such indignation and "Chronological Snobbery" - that's so "ancient" "pre-modern" and "passe") and "different strokes for different folks", etc. etc. -- then don't start badmouthing that Bin Laden was wrong - you can only say you don't like what he did - him being wrong is only "your perception".  Don't complain that what the child molesters and human traffickers are doing is really wrong, just something you don't fancy.  And, when a thief comes and burns your office down and steals all of your money from your account, don't start whining that he did something - ghasp! wheeze! spit! - "wrong" or "evil" or "un-just" (which is why I also wonder why relativists don't also want to eliminate laws, as laws are merely extensions/conclusions of people's moral positions that are apparently "made up" by some other person, so they're not applicable to me) - for, you've precluded the possibility for such reality; you and he just differ on your "created worlds."  OOhh ooh , can I be your banker or investor - I bet I can show you you don't believe moral truths are "created" -- that you really do believe in right and wrong?  As Aristotle made clear thousands of years ago in his Nichomachean Ethics, you can think relativism, but you can't live it.  Moreover, only if you believe in moral absolutes (i.e., we are NOT creating our own world), can you call something wrong and ban it and not any of this silly, childish "what's right for you is not necessarily right for me" rubbish.  That's why moral absolutes provide for progress and why moral relativism is a stuck-in-the-mud regressive philosophy.   Your position reminds me of a childish, little man named Josef Stalin, who needed nothing short of a good whuppin'.  His world -- one that I certainly want no part of -- is one that you would have to permit, since who are we to impose our values on anyone else's "created world," since that's all we are doing -- not discovering and abiding by moral truths, but simply "creating values" or "transvaluating values" (Nietzsche, another philosophical wimp, would be so proud!) in our created worlds?  (It would also do well to check out the 1st chapter of C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity on how this very discussion you're having here, defending a moral relativistic worldview of "creating your own world" (obviously by it you mean "moral world" given the context), is self-contradictory, not just in practice, but in theory as well)... On to Messieur Stalin:

"Everything I have said and done in these last years is relativism by intuition.... If relativism signifies contempt for fixed categories and men who claim to be the bearers of an objective, immortal truth... then there is nothing more relativistic than fascistic attitudes and activity.  From the fact that all ideologies are of equal value, that all ideologies are mere fictions, the modern relativist infers that everybody has the right to create for himself his own ideology and to attempt to enforce it with all the energy of which he is capable" (From Mussolini's Diuturna, 374-77).

Peace out homie. 

[tonypep]

Urban Outfitters has several f-bomb graphic tees BTW