Premix waterbase black

[ebscreen]

Anybody use one? Mixing ourselves seems wasteful in terms of time and labor,
the Matsui product, while great, is roughly $60 a gallon which seems high.
Just looking for a good waterbased black.

[tonypep]

I have a homogenizer here and back in the day I used to get the binder concentrate, antifoam, etc and make WB black and colors for less than..........$5.00 per gallon. Only for white and light shirts though so we stopped. I'll mention it to my bud over at CCI though. Seems like they could do it for around $30 but thats just a guess.

[ebscreen]

$30 would be fine.

Where does one obtain the base ingredients for waterbased inks?

[brandon]

Yeah, the Matsui Jet Black Paste water base is amazing but spendy. It is jet black for sure! We have cut it with a fair amount of base and water with totally fine results. But whatever happened to that water base forum by that Matt guy? Can't remember the name for it and I just did a search with no luck. Maybe it is gone now. Sad as it had some pretty good stuff from time to time. I do know the Matt guy who ran has or had a shop where they primarily printed beach towels all day, every day. I do remember reading his posts where they made all of their inks from scratch. Everything. So I am pretty sure he knew what he was talking about. Wish he could chime in here!

[Screened Gear]

I remember reading that post also. He did some amazing towels. He had a belt press that printed with metal rods. Very cool and detailed prints. I couldn't find that forum. I will see if I can find the video of his press. Its just cool to see.

[brandon]

Awesome! Glad someone else remembers too. Yeah, they did towels all day every day from I got out of it. Something like there are only a half dozen or so shops in the country where that is all they do and he was one of them. And yeah, they did some amazing stuff on a very hard substrate to work with. I mean those thick, crazy ass beach towels!

[Screened Gear]

I found a video of his press.

Belt Printing 2

[Screened Gear]

Just checked out his youtube site. He has like 20 videos on there. This guy knows towels and waterbase. Maybe if we talk about him enough he will post on here...

[brandon]

Just checked out his youtube site. He has like 20 videos on there. This guy knows towels and waterbase. Maybe if we talk about him enough he will post on here...

Hahaha, totally! Where is he these days?

[Screened Gear]

He is up north...(upnorthscrn is his youtube name)

I never talked to him on the forum. I just read the posts when I was going to start doing waterbase about 2 or 3 years ago. He knows his stuff that's for sure. I wish the forum was still up. I can't find it. It had all kinds of info.

One thing I remember him saying is that the ink he mixes up has a ton less ingredients then the manufactured inks we buy. He siad that they put alot of stuff in them that is not needed. I would guess he is referring to the mold resistant stuff and and other thing like that since he mixes his up fresh and uses it right away.

We need to get ahold of him and see. I am sure tony knows just as much but it would be good to have another guy here with years of WB experience.

Brandon you going to Vegas??? I think you owe me a beer from not making it to Long Beach.

[brandon]

He is up north...(upnorthscrn is his youtube name)

I never talked to him on the forum. I just read the posts when I was going to start doing waterbase about 2 or 3 years ago. He knows his stuff that's for sure. I wish the forum was still up. I can't find it. It had all kinds of info.

One thing I remember him saying is that the ink he mixes up has a ton less ingredients then the manufactured inks we buy. He siad that they put alot of stuff in them that is not needed. I would guess he is referring to the mold resistant stuff and and other thing like that since he mixes his up fresh and uses it right away.

We need to get ahold of him and see. I am sure tony knows just as much but it would be good to have another guy here with years of WB experience.

Brandon you going to Vegas??? I think you owe me a beer from not making it to Long Beach.

I wish. Just got back from a month vacation in Sweden though. Can't make it. We didn't make it to Long Beach last year because we got snowed in. It sucked. Airport down for like three days. But will be there for sure this year! And I will buy you two beers this year!

[ebscreen]

I ask about premix black and John gets two beers out of the deal. MODS!!!!

[brandon]

I ask about premix black and John gets two beers out of the deal. MODS!!!!

Hahahaha. Be at Long Beach in January and lets all have several beers on me! Or more. It will be like Caddyshack where Dangerfield cranks the volume on his golf bag and goes "everybody lets dance!"

[brandon]

He is up north...(upnorthscrn is his youtube name)

I never talked to him on the forum. I just read the posts when I was going to start doing waterbase about 2 or 3 years ago. He knows his stuff that's for sure. I wish the forum was still up. I can't find it. It had all kinds of info.

One thing I remember him saying is that the ink he mixes up has a ton less ingredients then the manufactured inks we buy. He siad that they put alot of stuff in them that is not needed. I would guess he is referring to the mold resistant stuff and and other thing like that since he mixes his up fresh and uses it right away.

We need to get ahold of him and see. I am sure tony knows just as much but it would be good to have another guy here with years of WB experience.

Brandon you going to Vegas??? I think you owe me a beer from not making it to Long Beach.

Holy crap, checked out some of Matt's videos and those are some large screens! Wonder how low the tension is on those screens! Some cool stuff for sure though

[Frog]

I thought that high tension is not nearly as important a trait when we are diving WB ink into the fabric as when trying to get a thin deposit only on the surface as with plastisol.