Roller frame mesh bulk, shurloc panel or Newman panel?

[alan802]

I've got some sefar panels coming in next week so I'll be able to compare them to all the others I've used.

[brandon]

I've got some sefar panels coming in next week so I'll be able to compare them to all the others I've used.

Hey Guys,
We did get a dozen 156/64's of the Sefar panels in and tensioned, retensioned, and are on the production floor now. Will be checking their tensions again on Friday and see how they hold up for a third tensioning. If they need it. Right off the bat I liked them because they are stitched in instead of glued in. Even though we use Franmar "clean" diptank solution I still believe the solution eats away at the panels that are glued in. But hell, I don't make them so please let me know if I am wrong. That's all I got. Wish I had more info!

[alan802]

I got my panels in this morning but they were the panel frame panels instead of the roller frame panel.  Maybe the third time at sending me these panels will be the charm.

[sweetts]

Mine wont be here till tomorrow but plan on using putting them I this weekend

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[balloonguy]

I have used all 3. I use shurloc for the most part. I hated bulk mesh. I though it was too time consuming. I did not notice enough of a difference between the newman and shurloc. When I really started newman was not offering panels (to my knowledge). Now everyone here knows the color code for mesh counts with the shurloc system. I think it is easier to leave it alone.
Matt

[inkman996]

I got my panels in this morning but they were the panel frame panels instead of the roller frame panel.  Maybe the third time at sending me these panels will be the charm.

Yea i feel your pain. Panel frames and system is now a complete joke and Nazdar should do them selves a favor and dump it. I finally got the correct panels in my shop but guess what, two broke and the remaining four could only be partly stretched, what i mean is you cant turn the locking strip 180 like your supposed to, on one end you have to leave it straight up, now i have four screens with uneven tension. I am done with Panels and the head aches and complete lack of consistency.

[alan802]

Yea i feel your pain. Panel frames and system is now a complete joke and Nazdar should do them selves a favor and dump it. I finally got the correct panels in my shop but guess what, two broke and the remaining four could only be partly stretched, what i mean is you cant turn the locking strip 180 like your supposed to, on one end you have to leave it straight up, now i have four screens with uneven tension. I am done with Panels and the head aches and complete lack of consistency.

That sucks, I really thought they had a great product, or more so a great idea for a product.  Theoretically it's a perfect compromise to newmans or statics.  Forget about the benefits of taking the panels in and out for repeat one color jobs, just the price for a screen and the tension you could achieve is enough.  I've still got our 3 frames but I don't know if it would be worth it to snap these panels in there or not.  I might as well put them in and get some usage out of them I guess.

[screenprintguy]

Panels are nice, work great, hold great tension and are fast to install. But, for their cost, bulk mesh is the way we will stay. If we were stretching every single day a dozen or more screens per day, panels may be the way, but bulk mesh is half the price and with a roller master table I don't see enough of a time savings to pay double for a screen panel that may easily pop in the hustle a bustle of a days work. If you soften your corners really good and do a mass cutting of your bulk mesh in some down time, it's only a couple more minutes per frame to put your own mesh in with strips.

[brandon]

Yea i feel your pain. Panel frames and system is now a complete joke and Nazdar should do them selves a favor and dump it. I finally got the correct panels in my shop but guess what, two broke and the remaining four could only be partly stretched, what i mean is you cant turn the locking strip 180 like your supposed to, on one end you have to leave it straight up, now i have four screens with uneven tension. I am done with Panels and the head aches and complete lack of consistency.

That sucks, I really thought they had a great product, or more so a great idea for a product.  Theoretically it's a perfect compromise to newmans or statics.  Forget about the benefits of taking the panels in and out for repeat one color jobs, just the price for a screen and the tension you could achieve is enough.  I've still got our 3 frames but I don't know if it would be worth it to snap these panels in there or not.  I might as well put them in and get some usage out of them I guess.

Hey guys, maybe I missed the boat on something. A "perfect compromise to newmans or statics." So we are talking about a whole different system here? My bad. The panels I were referring to a few posts ago just snap into our newmans. We are trying them in place of our shurlocs. We received a bundle as a promo and so far they are great and extremely cheap if we do decide to purchase.

[alan802]

Hey guys, maybe I missed the boat on something. A "perfect compromise to newmans or statics." So we are talking about a whole different system here? My bad. The panels I were referring to a few posts ago just snap into our newmans. We are trying them in place of our shurlocs. We received a bundle as a promo and so far they are great and extremely cheap if we do decide to purchase.

You're right on track, I just got off track a little bit when I mentioned they sent me the panels for the old "panel frame" product instead of what you are talking about  I got the sefar panels for m3 roller frames in just a few minutes ago.  I'll be stretching some screens up within the hour so stay tuned.

[Orion]

Bulk mesh here. Panels are pricey and since we have a mix of rollers/static  I can't use panels on my stretch and glue Accustrech.

[brandon]

I've got some sefar panels coming in next week so I'll be able to compare them to all the others I've used.

Hey Guys,
We did get a dozen 156/64's of the Sefar panels in and tensioned, retensioned, and are on the production floor now. Will be checking their tensions again on Friday and see how they hold up for a third tensioning. If they need it. Right off the bat I liked them because they are stitched in instead of glued in. Even though we use Franmar "clean" diptank solution I still believe the solution eats away at the panels that are glued in. But hell, I don't make them so please let me know if I am wrong. That's all I got. Wish I had more info!

So after about 2 weeks on the production floor they all fell between 5 and 10 newtons. Going to retension tomorrow for a third time. See how it goes and shall report. But they are about half the cost of the shurlocs if that helps.

[sweetts]

Just stretched two Newman panels 166 took them up to 40 last night, checked before I left today looks like they dropped to 34 will retention tonight and report back. I gotta say I will be switching To panels so much easier and quicker

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[Socalfmf]

Sweets...i think you just nailed it...they are faster...now if you spend less time on screens and more time on press wouldn't shurlocs cost less in the big picture?  If you take what you can produce off a press in 5 min vs. making a bulk mesh frame you are way ahead...

just sayin

[screenprintguy]

That all depends Sam. If you have someone with nothing to do for 20 mins, they can cut several panels. If they have that happen a few times a week, your ready to go pre-cuts are waiting. It takes all of 2 mins to insert mesh and soften corners. Do several insert/softening and have them waiting for the table to stretch. Double the cost for a shurloc, or newman pane, to me, isn't worth it for us. But that doesn't mean it's not a good way to go for another shop. Like yesterday. I had a little down time waiting on an approval, sliced 12 panels from bulk mesh, inserted the mesh and softened, had 3 frames stretched and taped, and now today 9 are waiting for the table and the extra time to gettum done. Just sayin, for us, they are not cost effective right now, but I will admit, if you are really limited on time and in need of quick paneling, they are pretty awesome. I find Murakami mesh to also be alot stronger and durable than what are being used on the econo panels from shurloc and less expensive in bulk.