parody designs

[Shawn (EIP)]

How far do you have to take a copyrighted design to make it a legal parody for comic vaule?  I know you can do this with music (see Weird Al).  I ask this because there has been a surge of bands using sports teams logos and simply replacing the sports team name with their band's name. Skateboarding graphics has been ripping off brand logos for years since the early 80's.

[Shanarchy]

How far do you have to take a copyrighted design to make it a legal parody for comic vaule?  I know you can do this with music (see Weird Al).  I ask this because there has been a surge of bands using sports teams logos and simply replacing the sports team name with their band's name. Skateboarding graphics has been ripping off brand logos for years since the early 80's.

Good question. Keep in mind I am pretty sure World Industries got sued when they started doing all of the cartoon characters.

Not that it makes it legal or illegal, but most punk rock bands will probably never make it onto anyone's radar.

I'm interested to here Dot Tone's (and others) answer.

[ebscreen]

Didn't Falwell vs Flynt define parody as "reasonable expectation" as in I don't think anyone looking at a Chicago Bears head
with the band name"Turd Vomit" imposed over it would reasonably expect it to represent da' Bears.

Could be wrong though.

[prozyan]

Parody has to involve . . . well, parody.  Taking a known logo and slapping a different name on it isn't parody, its rebranding, which is illegal.

The above example with the Bears and "Turd Vomit" is illustrative of this.  No one in their right mind could connect how an image of the Bears labelled as "Turd Vomit" could be a parody of the Bears.  That would be infringement, plain and simple.

[Frog]

Parody has to involve . . . well, parody.  Taking a known logo and slapping a different name on it isn't parody, its rebranding, which is illegal.

The above example with the Bears and "Turd Vomit" is illustrative of this.  No one in their right mind could connect how an image of the Bears labelled as "Turd Vomit" could be a parody of the Bears.  That would be infringement, plain and simple.

Right, a parody of that logo would be better served with a change of spelling, and promoting a group of nudists. Da Bares!

[Dottonedan]

FOr a quick review, see previous post on Parody.


http://www.theshirtboard.com/index.php/topic,4119.0.html

[prozyan]

Didn't Falwell vs Flynt define parody as "reasonable expectation"

This is true, but doesn't exactly apply to copyright images.  The case you point out was more about the 1st amendment than copyright.

[Doug B]

  As a matter of fact, I saw an in-depth interview with Weird Al and he DOES have permission
(or his label / manager) from every copyright holder. He even mused that somewhere there is
a piece of paper with Michael Jackson's signature next to his.

[ebscreen]

I know it's not exactly applicable, I just wanted to bring up Flynt.

His "phuck this court" shirt inspired me to make a "phuck this bar" shirt when
my band was playing shitty bars.

[jasonl]

How far do you have to take a copyrighted design to make it a legal parody for comic vaule?  I know you can do this with music (see Weird Al).  I ask this because there has been a surge of bands using sports teams logos and simply replacing the sports team name with their band's name. Skateboarding graphics has been ripping off brand logos for years since the early 80's.

Good question. Keep in mind I am pretty sure World Industries got sued when they started doing all of the cartoon characters.

Not that it makes it legal or illegal, but most punk rock bands will probably never make it onto anyone's radar.

I'm interested to here Dot Tone's (and others) answer.

So did Blind Skateboards, I had the first Jason Lee Pro Model with the cat in the hat.  They sued and he actually put the cat in the hat on the next model, had that one too.

[Shawn (EIP)]

How far do you have to take a copyrighted design to make it a legal parody for comic vaule?  I know you can do this with music (see Weird Al).  I ask this because there has been a surge of bands using sports teams logos and simply replacing the sports team name with their band's name. Skateboarding graphics has been ripping off brand logos for years since the early 80's.

Good question. Keep in mind I am pretty sure World Industries got sued when they started doing all of the cartoon characters.

Not that it makes it legal or illegal, but most punk rock bands will probably never make it onto anyone's radar.

I'm interested to here Dot Tone's (and others) answer.

So did Blind Skateboards, I had the first Jason Lee Pro Model with the cat in the hat.  They sued and he actually put the cat in the hat on the next model, had that one too.

Pretty sure the cat actually in the hat graphic was the "mini" model but I could be wrong.

[Shawn (EIP)]

this was my favorite from back in the day  Jeremy Klein

[jasonl]

How far do you have to take a copyrighted design to make it a legal parody for comic vaule?  I know you can do this with music (see Weird Al).  I ask this because there has been a surge of bands using sports teams logos and simply replacing the sports team name with their band's name. Skateboarding graphics has been ripping off brand logos for years since the early 80's.

Good question. Keep in mind I am pretty sure World Industries got sued when they started doing all of the cartoon characters.

Not that it makes it legal or illegal, but most punk rock bands will probably never make it onto anyone's radar.

I'm interested to here Dot Tone's (and others) answer.

So did Blind Skateboards, I had the first Jason Lee Pro Model with the cat in the hat.  They sued and he actually put the cat in the hat on the next model, had that one too.

Pretty sure the cat actually in the hat graphic was the "mini" model but I could be wrong.

Absolutely correct sir!

[jasonl]

this was my favorite from back in the day  Jeremy Klein

How old are you, we seem to have the same past.  Skateboards and Music and now Screenprinting!  Weird.

[Shanarchy]

I was a big fan of the Jason Lee Burger King model.