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Re: How to avoid this
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2012, 08:01:32 PM »
Are you printing base white under the black?
I do, but judging by the feedback I get it might have been the last time I`ve done that.


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Re: How to avoid this
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2012, 08:14:56 PM »
Is red the only color its going on?
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Re: How to avoid this
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2012, 08:15:40 PM »
And the black.

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Re: How to avoid this
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2012, 08:23:22 PM »
Sorry, Is it going on only red garments or are you printing it on other colors?
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Re: How to avoid this
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2012, 02:41:30 PM »
Are you printing base white under the black?
I do, but judging by the feedback I get it might have been the last time I`ve done that.

I would certainly avoid printing white base under black ink.  In all cases.  This is what is making the black "shiny"

Also you can have the red shirt coming through on the red areas.  Ideally you would use white and black ink only.  The base white and top white can be the same film.
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Re: How to avoid this
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2012, 04:56:18 PM »
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Re: How to avoid this
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2012, 01:26:13 AM »
I have changed just 2 things and the shirts came out perfect. instead of our standard Union white I used QCM`s simply white and changed as well the Union black for QCM WOW black. There was probably no need for using a different black but the white made the difference.

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Re: How to avoid this
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2012, 10:03:53 AM »
Wonder if it was still just a flashing issue.

Different whites flash at different times.

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Re: How to avoid this
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2012, 10:45:49 AM »
Wonder if it was still just a flashing issue.

Different whites flash at different times.

Its how the white was laid down to start with. He did not fill the voids in the garment completely. Changing the white probably fixed it because it was a different viscosity and he was able to get a better deposit that filled the voids better.

I sure hope he changed more than that though and did not base that black.
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Re: How to avoid this
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2012, 01:25:49 PM »
Wonder if it was still just a flashing issue.

Different whites flash at different times.


I was thinking the same thing.

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Re: How to avoid this
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2012, 01:47:41 PM »
There's a pretty large viscosity difference between the bucket of QCM 109 I have and the Union whites I have as well--if the Union ink was a little thicker and tackier, all other things equal it may not have laid down as smooth...


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Re: How to avoid this
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2012, 02:18:29 PM »
For as long as I can remember, Union has encouraged modifying their whites if that is what it takes to clear the screen or get smoother results.
The argument used to be made that adding reducer will diminish opacity, to which they countered, clearing the screen usually helps opacity.
Likewise. a smoother finish could probably be achieved with the addition of base or reducer, but a lot of that comes with experience.
It's nice and convenient to have an ink work right out of the bucket.
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Re: How to avoid this
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2012, 02:24:36 PM »
I am finding out that I am basing or reducing almost all my inks. I use to never do anything to them.

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Re: How to avoid this
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2012, 04:02:49 PM »
For as long as I can remember, Union has encouraged modifying their whites if that is what it takes to clear the screen or get smoother results.
The argument used to be made that adding reducer will diminish opacity, to which they countered, clearing the screen usually helps opacity.
Likewise. a smoother finish could probably be achieved with the addition of base or reducer, but a lot of that comes with experience.
It's nice and convenient to have an ink work right out of the bucket.

Used to be?   Heard it last week.   ;D

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Re: How to avoid this
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2012, 04:20:42 PM »
For as long as I can remember, Union has encouraged modifying their whites if that is what it takes to clear the screen or get smoother results.
The argument used to be made that adding reducer will diminish opacity, to which they countered, clearing the screen usually helps opacity.
Likewise. a smoother finish could probably be achieved with the addition of base or reducer, but a lot of that comes with experience.
It's nice and convenient to have an ink work right out of the bucket.

Used to be?   Heard it last week.   ;D

But I think that now, almost everyone understands the premise of a properly reduced ink completely clearing the screen is potentially more opaque than some unmodified ink not all making it through to the shirt.
There was a time when this was commonly an actual issue and choice to be made. Some folks really felt that they needed to suffer.

I will sound even older than I actually am but, like the kids in the Uverse commercials, "you kids don't know how much better you have it!"  ;D
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