what is the difference between M&R micros and Anatols?

[Frog]

The last time that I was preparing art for Ace to make me transfers, they told me to leave off the reg marks because their set up, which now included DTS, did not need them.
Not the same as them saying that they didn't need micros on their flat bed presses, but it still surprised and impressed me.

[inkman996]

The last time that I was preparing art for Ace to make me transfers, they told me to leave off the reg marks because their set up, which now included DTS, did not need them.
Not the same as them saying that they didn't need micros on their flat bed presses, but it still surprised and impressed me.

Andy the only reason to use reg marks even with the tri-loc is for pre-registering the films but even then I only use a .1 point line it is so thin it does not wash out. On press if off by any amount it is a tiny amount and only requires a look at the art itself to see which way to adjust, if I had a DTS I would not use reg marks either because it is easy enough to judge what you need to adjust just off the printed art.

[Gilligan]

Rich... technically I have heard a few complaints about the M&R micros.

Maybe that .1% just lives on these forums. *shrug*

[Socalfmf]

D...I plan on making it perfect...my newmans are all within 2 newtons of each other, using a cts, a dialed in machine ect...will reduce all the variables....

sam

[244]

Rich... technically I have heard a few complaints about the M&R micros.

Maybe that .1% just lives on these forums. *shrug*

Maybe. All I can say is we don't hear complaints from our customer base unless something is wrong with the adjustment and when adjusted properly they are happy.

[ebscreen]

Having used MHM micros I would cry if I had to go back to anything else.

[Socalfmf]

not to sound like a jerk...but are the people who are complaining about the micro ever trained on their machine by an M&R tech or at the factory or are they just jumping in and expecting to work it perfect?  I know I have been out to Chicago to train on each piece of equipment i have purchased and each time we have it the ground running with zero problems. 

thoughts

 

[mk162]

I don't know, I'd say running the same press full time for 4 years is good training, and then running it off and on for the last 8 is a good refresher course.

The micros work fine, they are jut outdated when you look at other presses.  It's one feature that could stand a redesign to make it more user friendly.

The idea of McDonalds is to make everything as simple and straightforward to any person that might have to step in and fill that role.  That is what press manufacturers should be going for.

I am golden on the micros.  Probably in the top 5 that have ever worked here.  But that is from experience...and frankly the harder you make it to put that "experience" in an employees hands, the more work you are making for yourself.

[244]

I don't know, I'd say running the same press full time for 4 years is good training, and then running it off and on for the last 8 is a good refresher course.

The micros work fine, they are jut outdated when you look at other presses.  It's one feature that could stand a redesign to make it more user friendly.

The idea of McDonalds is to make everything as simple and straightforward to any person that might have to step in and fill that role.  That is what press manufacturers should be going for.

I am golden on the micros.  Probably in the top 5 that have ever worked here.  But that is from experience...and frankly the harder you make it to put that "experience" in an employees hands, the more work you are making for yourself.

Out of curiosity when was the last time a M&R tech adjusted your micro,s?

[mk162]

I don't know....like I said, they work fine, I can adjust out dang near anything it 1 try.  It's the design of them that is lacking.  I think MHM micros are more straightforward.  Less steps, no unlocking..which means less slack.

[balloonguy]

not to sound like a jerk...but are the people who are complaining about the micro ever trained on their machine by an M&R tech or at the factory or are they just jumping in and expecting to work it perfect?  I know I have been out to Chicago to train on each piece of equipment i have purchased and each time we have it the ground running with zero problems. 

thoughts

No ever showed me how to use them. I find it to be quite a PITA. I still don't have the hang of if and it has been 4+ years.

[244]

The phone would be the best to get a lesson. Use our 800 number and I will be happy to walk you through it!

[mk162]

Rich, how's about a video!

[244]

Rich, how's about a video!

Its not about how you use them as much as how they are set up on the press. I would bet the micro's need some proper adjustment themselves!

[alan802]

I've used the micros on several different brands of autos and if I were designing a press from scratch, it would probably be with the MHM micros with our RPM being second.  I haven't setup a job or used the MHM micros but I played with one at a show and I liked them a lot.  Without ever having ran one, I would feel more comfortable if there was a way to "lock" them in place, but I also don't have any idea how they get around that function where every other press I know has locks on their micros.  When I ran a sportsman to help out a local shop over a weekend I did struggle with the micros but I never thought about it being a deficiency in the design, only user error.  Setting up jobs on our sidewinder is different and it certainly takes me longer when I have to start microing versus the auto, but I chalk that up to never having used the press enough to become comfortable with them.  I'd like a few days and a dozen jobs on each press to really give my opinion on which is better, but there was a huge difference in the centurian and RPM.  Our new press was very easy to get used to and just from the change in micros alone probably shaved a few hours off of production the first week we had it.