Researching for a Gas Dryer

[3Deep]

Ok will do Rich

Darryl

[Rockers]

Those numbers quoted above represent which size of the Sprint 2000 series?  48/60/72?

The same here, asecominc. Looking for a 60" belt and 12' heat chamber to run two autos with it. Sprint International for sure looks like a great piece and we are using a bunch of M&R stuff already, but we were quoted over 52,000$ +18% VAT for International 60/12 and we decided it is too much. Now we are considering offers from Adelco and German Tesoma and we will also contact UK/Holland based Green Burn/ Calmatech. The right now we are contacting some of the owners of these dryers we know, regarding gas consumption.. For dryer of this size it should be something in 150,000 BTU range during average runs. We will run it on propane (something like 90,000 BTU in one gallon, if I'm right) and we are based in Europe.

M&R make quite a few dryers that are way lower in price than the dryer you ask for a quote for. The Sprint International H.O. (high output) is way too much dryer for the shop you have posted on the site. You should be looking at the Sprint 2000 which is rated at over 2000 units per hour on plastisol and 1600 per hour on water-base. These numbers are for typical prints. I cannot state with 100% certainty as I do not know the substrates nor the ink used. That dryer will consume roughly 180,000 BTU per hour with a running cost of less than $2.00 U.S. dollars per hour here. The list price on that dryer is $35,650 U.S. Just a fyi.

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Those numbers quoted above represent which size of the Sprint 2000 series?  48/60/72?

The same here, asecominc. Looking for a 60" belt and 12' heat chamber to run two autos with it. Sprint International for sure looks like a great piece and we are using a bunch of M&R stuff already, but we were quoted over 52,000$ +18% VAT for International 60/12 and we decided it is too much. Now we are considering offers from Adelco and German Tesoma and we will also contact UK/Holland based Green Burn/ Calmatech. The right now we are contacting some of the owners of these dryers we know, regarding gas consumption.. For dryer of this size it should be something in 150,000 BTU range during average runs. We will run it on propane (something like 90,000 BTU in one gallon, if I'm right) and we are based in Europe.

M&R make quite a few dryers that are way lower in price than the dryer you ask for a quote for. The Sprint International H.O. (high output) is way too much dryer for the shop you have posted on the site. You should be looking at the Sprint 2000 which is rated at over 2000 units per hour on plastisol and per hour on water-base. These numbers are for typical prints. I cannot state with 100% certainty as I do not know the substrates nor the ink used. That dryer will consume roughly 180,000 BTU per hour with a running cost of less than $2.00 U.S. dollars per hour here. The list price on that dryer is $35,650 U.S. Just a fyi.

The units and consumption stated was for a 60"/12' of heat chamber dryer. The Sprint 2000 and Sprint International consume and produce the same amounts.

[arttex]

M&R make quite a few dryers that are way lower in price than the dryer you ask for a quote for. The Sprint International H.O. (high output) is way too much dryer for the shop you have posted on the site. You should be looking at the Sprint 2000 which is rated at over 2000 units per hour on plastisol and 1600 per hour on water-base. These numbers are for typical prints. I cannot state with 100% certainty as I do not know the substrates nor the ink used. That dryer will consume roughly 180,000 BTU per hour with a running cost of less than $2.00 U.S. dollars per hour here. The list price on that dryer is $35,650 U.S. Just a fyi.

Thanks for the advice, Rich. Something like Sprint 2000 is probably what I need. I saw new installed Mini Sprint recently and man, what a great dryer that is.  But from one of your earlier messages I understood that list prices of all M&R equipment should be the same in every country. And if I got it right, only costs of the freight, customs, duties, taxes should be added. However, what I have here is Sprint 2000 60/12 quoted at $47,000 (+18% VAT). Knowing that customs rates/ duties are in 1% range here for that type of goods, the rest of $10,000 looks a way too high for the shipping/install cost? Also, from your experience, is Radicure 60/10 capable of dealing with water based and discharge prints coming from two autos. I'm asking that 'cause here in Serbia we have pretty unusual situation regarding gas/electricity prices. We have one of the highest prices of gasoline, diesel, propane (over 100% higher than US and Turkey, f.e) and the lowest electricity price in Europe, so according to my calculations big electric dryer may be a better choice. What would be average consumption for that big (60/10) Radicure anyway? Something like 25 kw/h?

Thanks

[asecominc]

Is there a huge difference regarding functionality and efficiency between a pre-2000 Sprint and the newer Sprint 2000s?  Like does the current technology greatly outweigh that of an older model? 

[RICK STEFANICK]

I can't be exact but at least around half the cost.

THANKS 

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Is there a huge difference regarding functionality and efficiency between a pre-2000 Sprint and the newer Sprint 2000s?  Like does the current technology greatly outweigh that of an older model?

The dryer labeled Sprint 2000 was a drastic change in consumption and emmitting heat into your shop. The Sprint 2000 series is twice as good as the Sprint was! Burns at least 1/3 less gas and skin temperature is cool to the touch while curing at least 25% more garments.

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M&R make quite a few dryers that are way lower in price than the dryer you ask for a quote for. The Sprint International H.O. (high output) is way too much dryer for the shop you have posted on the site. You should be looking at the Sprint 2000 which is rated at over 2000 units per hour on plastisol and 1600 per hour on water-base. These numbers are for typical prints. I cannot state with 100% certainty as I do not know the substrates nor the ink used. That dryer will consume roughly 180,000 BTU per hour with a running cost of less than $2.00 U.S. dollars per hour here. The list price on that dryer is $35,650 U.S. Just a fyi.

Thanks for the advice, Rich. Something like Sprint 2000 is probably what I need. I saw new installed Mini Sprint recently and man, what a great dryer that is.  But from one of your earlier messages I understood that list prices of all M&R equipment should be the same in every country. And if I got it right, only costs of the freight, customs, duties, taxes should be added. However, what I have here is Sprint 2000 60/12 quoted at $47,000 (+18% VAT). Knowing that customs rates/ duties are in 1% range here for that type of goods, the rest of $10,000 looks a way too high for the shipping/install cost? Also, from your experience, is Radicure 60/10 capable of dealing with water based and discharge prints coming from two autos. I'm asking that 'cause here in Serbia we have pretty unusual situation regarding gas/electricity prices. We have one of the highest prices of gasoline, diesel, propane (over 100% higher than US and Turkey, f.e) and the lowest electricity price in Europe, so according to my calculations big electric dryer may be a better choice. What would be average consumption for that big (60/10) Radicure anyway? Something like 25 kw/h?

Thanks

There is another option as well. in some areas customers cannot get gas but need the air flow of the Sprint 2000. That dryer is called a Sprint 2000E. Below you will find the KW specs for it as well as the Radicure. The Radicure would slow the presses down to handle the discharge. Not the best choice for water. It will do it but slow!

Radicure D
•   208/230 V, 3 ph, 112/123 A, 50/60 Hz, 38.8 kW
•   380/415 V, 3 ph, 67 A, 50/60 38.8 kW

Sprint 2000E
•   380V, 3 ph 100A, 50Hz, 65kW

[Nation03]

Hey Rich,

Do you have any rough numbers for what the Radicure can do per hour on water based/discharge? Preferably on the smaller sized one, 6 foot chamber, 3 or 4 panels. 

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Hey Rich,

Do you have any rough numbers for what the Radicure can do per hour on water based/discharge? Preferably on the smaller sized one, 6 foot chamber, 3 or 4 panels.

Rough guess would be 200 with 3panels and 250 with 4th panel. This is just a guess.

[arttex]

Hey Rich,

Do you have any rough numbers for what the Radicure can do per hour on water based/discharge? Preferably on the smaller sized one, 6 foot chamber, 3 or 4 panels.

We  have Radicure 36" belt, 6' chamber/3 panels. I can confirm what Rich wrote, It can handle 200/h, normal print size.Temperature at 500, belt speed 1.8. With small amount of some fixator additive/ catalysator added in the ink you can speed up the belt and make 250 without problem.
 That's one great and well built dryer, btw. We have it for six years now and have only one single issue with exaust blower. Excellent insulation (read: less energy consumption and less heat into working enviroment), high quality heat panels, electrics, etc...