Corporate mind set

[sweetts]

So for my 1st job I work for a very large company that is very old very well known and world wide. As part of their employee perks they offer  non paid leaves of absents and they say its for things like child birth, care for family members personal growth and development, school blah blah blah. So I figure I will see if I can take a 28 days leave and really focus on growing my printing biz and maybe move out of my garage hire a part timers and get things to the next baby step. SO I ask my 2nd level manager her feeling about approving that and she said and I quote "The company is not really concerned with their employees personal growth and development we will not approve a leave for such a thing its not something we think is needed". I just smiled chuckled and said oh I see thanks for your time. So now after 8 hours of thinking about it I cant stop laughing, how insane is that way of thinking?? WOW. I am not sure why I am posting this I just needed to vent I guess but it is crazy thinking right?? 

[Shawn (EIP)]

So for my 1st job I work for a very large company that is very old very well known and world wide. As part of their employee perks they offer  non paid leaves of absents and they say its for things like child birth, care for family members personal growth and development, school blah blah blah. So I figure I will see if I can take a 28 days leave and really focus on growing my printing biz and maybe move out of my garage hire a part timers and get things to the next baby step. SO I ask my 2nd level manager her feeling about approving that and she said and I quote "The company is not really concerned with their employees personal growth and development we will not approve a leave for such a thing its not something we think is needed". I just smiled chuckled and said oh I see thanks for your time. So now after 8 hours of thinking about it I cant stop laughing, how insane is that way of thinking?? WOW. I am not sure why I am posting this I just needed to vent I guess but it is crazy thinking right??

You handled that better than I woud have.  I would have told her to go expletive expletive expletive her self rightious  expletive and shove it up her expletive . The look on her face would have been priceless. The number 1 reason why I'm my own boss, I can refuse thier business. Being treated like a 2nd rate human being isnt worth any amount of money.

[sweetts]

It blows man they are so stupid. I just types a ton of stuff but its prob better to not put it here. Its just sad man

[mooseman]

You need to understand for your own future if that attitude is hers or she is monkey mouthing the true company policy. If it is her go over her head if it is the overall company you and everyone there below a certain level are just profit fodder and you have no real future unless you want to be a slave.
in general as a manager especially in todays world that was a terrible way to deal with an employee at ANY level.

I am curious, i know you will not spit out the name but is this a company one where I might but products and services every day just a a consumer?
mooseman

[Socalfmf]

There are some things that I will never understand...why do people show their cards upfront?  I would have told her you need to take care of "things"  what the hell are things you might ask?  well whatever is covered under the policy at the time...then do what you have to do....There are a lot of people who do NOT want to see you succeed and this lady is one of them...but now they know or have a feeling of what you are going to be doing...why not just say what you need to in order to get the 28 days of paid leave off? and then work your ass to get where you need or what to be...

this drives me nutz like the people asking can i print such and such...you know you can't and either do it or don't but why bring attention to yourself? 

sam

[Denis Kolar]

Why would they do that?
So you could better your business, get better and bigger, and after few months give them a 2 week notice because you will be making enough money with your printing business!!! She is protecting the company. If you asked that to a smaller company, you could probably be fired for it.
Your employer will invest in you, and with that they investing in the future of your employer. They will better you, and with that they bettering them.
When you bring another company in that equation, that does not work any more.

[mk162]

i was sort of thinking the same thing.  28 days of "personal growth" leave is a long time.  isn't that usually called vacation?

I would have a hard time with an employee being gone for a month.  she probably doesn't want you to take time off because it will be more work for her.

[sweetts]

You need to understand for your own future if that attitude is hers or she is monkey mouthing the true company policy. If it is her go over her head if it is the overall company you and everyone there below a certain level are just profit fodder and you have no real future unless you want to be a slave.
in general as a manager especially in todays world that was a terrible way to deal with an employee at ANY level.

I am curious, i know you will not spit out the name but is this a company one where I might but products and services every day just a a consumer?
mooseman
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Yes you may use us and not even know, as far as the future here it is sad but I will ride the paying pony as long as possible

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[sweetts]

i was sort of thinking the same thing.  28 days of "personal growth" leave is a long time.  isn't that usually called vacation?

I would have a hard time with an employee being gone for a month.  she probably doesn't want you to take time off because it will be more work for her.

I am pretty sure things would be fine they are telling us they need to reduce headcount because the work isn't here so I don't think that's it. A note about being upfront with her. I try to deal with everyone honestly and did not figure it would be an issue they already know I print as I had to disclose it when dealing with mutual customers

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[mk162]

it's because they know you print.  they know you have a business you are starting and since they clearly view you as valuable they don't want you to move on.  At least that is my take.

Sometimes leaving important details out is a good thing.  My dad was fired when his old boss found out about him printing on the side.

[Socalfmf]

I am not saying lie to her...I am saying word it so you get the results you want...right now you hurt yourself that is all...I can bet she is not going to be thinking about it for 1 minute...but you are and you will be for a while.

sometimes things are best left unsaid..

sam

[sweetts]

it's because they know you print.  they know you have a business you are starting and since they clearly view you as valuable they don't want you to move on.  At least that is my take.

Sometimes leaving important details out is a good thing.  My dad was fired when his old boss found out about him printing on the side.

Your probably are correct I just think its crazy to not Foster the growth of your employees and with over 300 thousand employees one dude in Cleveland is not a big deal. If you don't approve the time off don't offer it. Its saddly funny to me

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[sweetts]

I am not saying lie to her...I am saying word it so you get the results you want...right now you hurt yourself that is all...I can bet she is not going to be thinking about it for 1 minute...but you are and you will be for a while.

sometimes things are best left unsaid..

sam

I hear ya I was told a Guy asked for time To tour Europe for a month he was told he can do that when he retires. I just found this out today so I guess it would not matter what the reason was

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[Prosperi-Tees]

I was fired in November for promoting my business. I didn't hide anything. They knew for 18 months what I was doing and was fine with it then all of a sudden they weren't and canned me. Now you have to think about what they are thinking of you. Your attitude at work will probably change even more now.

[Gilligan]

Even if it doesn't, they may perceive it like it has.