Sericol Yellow & Red

[Prosperi-Tees]

Oh, them means Sericol

[Itsa Little CrOoked]

Well good deal. For some colors, that might still make more sense.

Thanks!

[jasonl]

got my sample gallons in today, cant wait to try them.

[Itsa Little CrOoked]

My Sericol rep says "they" are thinking "they're" missing the boat by not promoting product to some of the smaller to medium sized printers, and developing that market. It's just a tiny slice of Fujifilm, but in this economy.....well, you know. And look for them to begin phasing in the Fujufilm name, over Sericol. To that, I say okay, whatever....

I'm still watching this thread, and calling printers I know use the stuff.

[alan802]

I've shown the printed samples to a dozen customers over the last week and I've gotten a great response.  I'm ready to phase this ink into production but I've got a sales staff that you can tell them things 100 times and they still won't get it.  I've told them all about discharge inks and the garments and colors that work best for months now but when I'm showing the samples to their customers they still have no idea that not all garments are dischargeable.  I can just see it now, a customer will want the discharge soft hand feel and order 50/50 royal blue shirts and our sales staff won't remember a word I've told them.

[Prosperi-Tees]

Alan, you almost need to make a brochure of sorts explaining all the different processes that you offer and the limitations of them as well. I'm thinking of doing the same thing because sometimes I forget to offer other services to our customers such as business cards, banners, promotional items etc etc.

[Itsa Little CrOoked]

I've shown the printed samples to a dozen customers over the last week and I've gotten a great response.  I'm ready to phase this ink into production but I've got a sales staff that you can tell them things 100 times and they still won't get it.  I've told them all about discharge inks and the garments and colors that work best for months now but when I'm showing the samples to their customers they still have no idea that not all garments are dischargeable.  I can just see it now, a customer will want the discharge soft hand feel and order 50/50 royal blue shirts and our sales staff won't remember a word I've told them.

Alan do you have the Gildan Discharge Chart?

I got one emailed to me. It shows a large number of dye colors and their discharge-ability rating. Not exactly their current color offerings, but its a starting place.

Stan

[jasonl]

sericol yellow rs, printed today.

[Homer]

I'm having some issues with this sericol stuff. We just ran a 3 color print, HO white base, texcharge red, then a plastisol on top of that. . .it was HO white, mixed 50/50 with base, 5 % activator 3% retarder. . it plugs the screen really fast,  I would say in under 10 seconds. we had it on a 160 mesh, roller frame. . the underside of my screen after the white turned into a gummy mess, but the ink was flaking off into the design, almost in chunks. We ended up flashing after the WB, that fixed it from picking up on the other screen but not what i wanted to do. And then the red turned into this same gummy consistency, it would not flood at all after about 12 prints. The red was straight out of the bucket, 4.5 % activator, maybe a little less. . . we have matsui inks here too so I will be using those for the next few jobs but what am I missing here? We are using the right emulsion on all the screens. . .it was a little hot back there today, maybe we need to mist the screen with water every once in a while?. . .

[ebscreen]

See if Sericol offers a retarder or something similar.
Matsui has Printgen uhhh, M I think. Or C.

Really helps on hot days and hot shops.

A splash of water helps too.

[Prosperi-Tees]

I asked my rep the same thing and that's why I'm waiting to get the complete texcharge system. But he did say the retarder works well and shops in hot south America use a ton of it. I want to see how it is when it's 115+ in the shop.

[RICK STEFANICK]

I use it and have never had a problem. we run light flood pressure and mist with water when we stop. as far as the build up we run a 80/20 base/white mixture for the underbase and a highlight white. Under cured screens can also contribute big time to the problem jay is having with build up.also the reds and yellows only need 3% activator. anymore will disrupt the color. I think with the right mix on your underbase and go to 5% retarder and check your exposure times you will eliminate alot of these issues.

[Homer]

we just switched emulsion, so that may be it Rick. we were probably a little too heavy on the flood as well. . in the data sheet, it said reds and flo colors need 4.5%, maybe I'll jump down to 3 and see if that was it.  Hopefully I can dial in the mix a little better.

Pros, you have the same thing with your red? the gummy consistency?

Eb, I have the retarder, I put in 3%... maybe I'll go a little more, touch of water on the really steamin days.

[RICK STEFANICK]

jay, are you using the sericol dirisol 916 emulsion?  if so the exposure window in huge(even with halftones. We over exspose screens used on discharge and waterbase designs. any stickyness will cause problems. thin even/thin coating is the ticket and will really help this. unlike plastisol you dont need the thicker coat. just sayin

[Prosperi-Tees]

I wouldnt call it gummy ,but it does seem a little strange in consistency in the bucket, its hard to explain but I add just a dash of water after mixing in the agent.