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a familiar Illustrator problem
Sbrem:
Yes, and no Dan, but no time to explain right now. I did discover that if I chose the object in question, with the Direct Selection Tool (the hollow or white arrow) and used "select same appearance" that it selected all the pieces with the same percentage, and that they were grouped. Ungrouping them made them all revert to 100%. Not perfect, but it allows you to reassign new percentages.
Steve
Rockers:
--- Quote from: Sbrem on November 16, 2021, 03:50:11 PM ---Yes, and no Dan, but no time to explain right now. I did discover that if I chose the object in question, with the Direct Selection Tool (the hollow or white arrow) and used "select same appearance" that it selected all the pieces with the same percentage, and that they were grouped. Ungrouping them made them all revert to 100%. Not perfect, but it allows you to reassign new percentages.
Steve
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Magic wand tool should work even better in that case.
May I ask what version of Illustrator you are using. I`m trying to replicate your problems here but I absolutely fail.
Sbrem:
--- Quote from: Rockers on November 16, 2021, 08:18:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sbrem on November 16, 2021, 03:50:11 PM ---Yes, and no Dan, but no time to explain right now. I did discover that if I chose the object in question, with the Direct Selection Tool (the hollow or white arrow) and used "select same appearance" that it selected all the pieces with the same percentage, and that they were grouped. Ungrouping them made them all revert to 100%. Not perfect, but it allows you to reassign new percentages.
Steve
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Magic wand tool should work even better in that case.
May I ask what version of Illustrator you are using. I`m trying to replicate your problems here but I absolutely fail.
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The most recent, Illy 2021. I'm going to check the Magic Wand tool, which I use all the time in Photoshop, yet ignore it in Illy. I'm beginning to think it's something we're doing incorrectly when creating it. Myself, I pick a spot color from the Swatches pallet, then in the color pallet assign a percentage. However, our artist when making a mockup, she uses the transparency tool to create a useful simulation to send to the customer for approval. I think it's in that crossover perhaps, but I don't have the time to really dig in on it, just too busy and shorthanded.
Steve
Dottonedan:
Oh yes! I feel you are onto something there. So, you create your percentages by taking the opacity down (in the color) window.
I almost exclusively use the transparency feature now myself. In creating and separations. Especially in separations. I did a example of the differences in the tutorials section last year I think.
The two treat the output vary differently. When reducing the opacity in the color window, (let’s say to 70%), It’s using computer white or default white to do that. The 30% is white. This is why it seems more washed out than just reducing transparency. But the more important part is that (using the color opacity) that percentage of white…gets knocked out. Computer white, doesn’t print. It’s not a color. So it can’t be assigned to overprint the white parts. For this reason, those elements must be put below other elements that need to print over top of it.
transparency looks and works better. The math for that does not use computer white. Also, you can tell that to multiply and get a better visual of how that may turn out.
So that’s the uniqueness between the two. How that plays a role in your issue, I’m not sure yet. But I’ll keep it in mind as I’m going. It’s just that since they are vary different, this may be a factor with your issues.
Rockers:
--- Quote from: Dottonedan on November 17, 2021, 10:04:26 PM ---Oh yes! I feel you are onto something there. So, you create your percentages by taking the opacity down (in the color) window.
I almost exclusively use the transparency feature now myself. In creating and separations. Especially in separations. I did a example of the differences in the tutorials section last year I think.
The two treat the output vary differently. When reducing the opacity in the color window, (let’s say to 70%), It’s using computer white or default white to do that. The 30% is white. This is why it seems more washed out than just reducing transparency. But the more important part is that (using the color opacity) that percentage of white…gets knocked out. Computer white, doesn’t print. It’s not a color. So it can’t be assigned to overprint the white parts. For this reason, those elements must be put below other elements that need to print over top of it.
transparency looks and works better. The math for that does not use computer white. Also, you can tell that to multiply and get a better visual of how that may turn out.
So that’s the uniqueness between the two. How that plays a role in your issue, I’m not sure yet. But I’ll keep it in mind as I’m going. It’s just that since they are vary different, this may be a factor with your issues.
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In the color window there is no opacity slider , it`s a tint slider you are referring to. There is a difference between tint and opacity. A certain tint. of a color does not make it less opaque. A tint of pantone 123 can still be 100% opaque unless you actually go and use transparency to adjust opacity.
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