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Maverick vs. Avalanche
brandon:
--- Quote from: blue moon on November 06, 2020, 06:17:51 AM ---
the new EPSON is not an entry level machine. It is 72"'x 73" (so rather big and requires a lot of floor space) and it prints a full size front in about 45 seconds. It has redundancy built int as well as remote access from the factory service department and other industrial grade features. The cost of ink is much lower than the entry level printers your are thinking about. We are bellow $1 per print in ink as of right now (very early on in setup and testing though). If you get 2 the ink is $140 per liter and you can net over 100 shirts per hour. To get the same from Kornit you will have to pay about 3-4 times as much and will still be fighting the color gamut issues.
List price is $50k, but by the time you are set up you are over $60k. With additional inks and maintenance consumables you are probably looking at $65k. I have a friend who had a factory with many, many Kornits and he says there is no comparison. It is not even close!
pierre
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Pierre is not lying. His friend really does have rows and rows of Kornits. The Ink Kitchen did a feature on it awhile back. I mean Kornits as deep as the eye can see. If those guys and girls are recommending this Epson that's a good thing. We are most likely getting this over the Brother in Feb / March
tbarnes:
Jumping back in this thread as I am starting to seriously consider the Epson machine as a contender.
Anyone that is currently using the Epson Surecolor machine care to share any kind of consumption reports and/or production numbers with the class? I would love to jump on a call with somebody currently using it in their shop.
No offense to the salesmen out there, but I hate getting my numbers from you people lol they always seem to be "in a perfect world" numbers and the print world is far from perfect.
Thanks in advance.
blue moon:
--- Quote from: tbarnes on December 03, 2020, 10:41:50 AM ---Jumping back in this thread as I am starting to seriously consider the Epson machine as a contender.
Anyone that is currently using the Epson Surecolor machine care to share any kind of consumption reports and/or production numbers with the class? I would love to jump on a call with somebody currently using it in their shop.
No offense to the salesmen out there, but I hate getting my numbers from you people lol they always seem to be "in a perfect world" numbers and the print world is far from perfect.
Thanks in advance.
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no numbers yet. we are still testing and setting up (print on demand software and RIP are not yet fully configured).
for a 12" wide image I am guessing about $1 in ink and $0.25 in pretreatment (EPSON stuff is expensive, but seems to work the best).
Your cost will depend on how many you print per day. We have ours do a cleaning before printing. if you keep it running all day, you will not see many cleanings. If you stop for a bit (20 min?), it will clean again before printing. Lotsa starting and stopping will increase your maintenance expenses. Also, the cost of the printer is $11 per hour. If you only print 10 shirts per hour you will be adding a $1 to your cost. If you run 50 shirts per hour then your overhead is $0.20 per shirt. that is a big difference!
I can answer any other questions if you have them.
pierre
p.s. we are putting down a lot of ink to make the prints really vibrant. Most shops would be OK with a lot less ink. I think $1 for ink and pretreatment might be possible.
tbarnes:
no numbers yet. we are still testing and setting up (print on demand software and RIP are not yet fully configured).
for a 12" wide image I am guessing about $1 in ink and $0.25 in pretreatment (EPSON stuff is expensive, but seems to work the best).
Your cost will depend on how many you print per day. We have ours do a cleaning before printing. if you keep it running all day, you will not see many cleanings. If you stop for a bit (20 min?), it will clean again before printing. Lotsa starting and stopping will increase your maintenance expenses. Also, the cost of the printer is $11 per hour. If you only print 10 shirts per hour you will be adding a $1 to your cost. If you run 50 shirts per hour then your overhead is $0.20 per shirt. that is a big difference!
I can answer any other questions if you have them.
pierre
p.s. we are putting down a lot of ink to make the prints really vibrant. Most shops would be OK with a lot less ink. I think $1 for ink and pretreatment might be possible.
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Do you have a ballpark as to how many 12" prints on dark garments the machine is capable of in an hour? Our operators are basically feeding our DTG machines directly after the print finishes (we stay booked to capacity). The GTX is really only capable of like 30/hr on darker colored garments (on the high side). Factor that with the cost of their inks and pretreat and the margins suck.
blue moon:
--- Quote from: tbarnes on December 04, 2020, 03:29:40 PM ---
no numbers yet. we are still testing and setting up (print on demand software and RIP are not yet fully configured).
for a 12" wide image I am guessing about $1 in ink and $0.25 in pretreatment (EPSON stuff is expensive, but seems to work the best).
Your cost will depend on how many you print per day. We have ours do a cleaning before printing. if you keep it running all day, you will not see many cleanings. If you stop for a bit (20 min?), it will clean again before printing. Lotsa starting and stopping will increase your maintenance expenses. Also, the cost of the printer is $11 per hour. If you only print 10 shirts per hour you will be adding a $1 to your cost. If you run 50 shirts per hour then your overhead is $0.20 per shirt. that is a big difference!
I can answer any other questions if you have them.
pierre
p.s. we are putting down a lot of ink to make the prints really vibrant. Most shops would be OK with a lot less ink. I think $1 for ink and pretreatment might be possible.
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Do you have a ballpark as to how many 12" prints on dark garments the machine is capable of in an hour? Our operators are basically feeding our DTG machines directly after the print finishes (we stay booked to capacity). The GTX is really only capable of like 30/hr on darker colored garments (on the high side). Factor that with the cost of their inks and pretreat and the margins suck.
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full fronts we are printing in a min. it is taking 10-15 seconds to load and pull the shirt so we timed about 50 per hour with full fronts. if you add some left chests in or other smaller prints you could get close to 60 net per hour.
at ISS they were printing a 14" tall front in 42 seconds and it looked great. so there is probably some more tweaking we can do to speed things up. . .
pierre
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